Apple Xserve Making Inroads in Gov't Contracting, Analysts Say
TMO Reports - Apple Xserve Making Inroads in Gov't Contracting, Analysts Say
by , 4:15 PM EDT, June 22nd, 2004
Federal IT market analysts say Monday's announcement of a new supercomputer comprising 1,566 dual-processor G5 Xserve servers is a clear sign that Apple Computer is making inroads in the niche market of high performance computing (HPC) for government IT, contracting and higher education that is looking for faster and cheaper computing power.
Huntsville, Ala.-based Colsa Corp., a US Army contractor, announced Monday the purchase of US$ 5.8 million worth of Xserve servers to produce what is expected to be the third fastest supercomputer in the world.
The Colsa system is expected to reach about 15 teraflops when it is up and running this fall, the company said. By comparison, the fastest system, NEC's Earth Simulator, runs at a speed of 35.8 teraflops. Only one other system exceeded 15 teraflops, according to a new version of the Top500 list of HPC sites.
The announcement is being seen by industry analysts as a prime example of an HPC niche that Apple and its rival Dell are having success in penetrating.
"There is this mid-market for HPC that frankly is far more sizable in terms of a market segment that Dell and Apple are going after and they are having success," Forrester Research vice president and analyst Brad Day told The Mac Observer. "This is a $3 to $5 billion market, worldwide. If Apple gets five percent of this mid-market, which is very doable, that will be a big deal for a company that has never truly been in the server segment as a share leader, let alone the more demanding high performance technical computing segment."
"Performance and value count for something particularly when you're talking about the federal government," Jupiter Research Senior Analyst Joe Wilcox told The Mac Observer, Tuesday. "Looking at outside contractors, the federal government is undergoing a crisis with respect to IT saturation. They are outsourcing more and more business, but contractors are still under constraints to deliver the best performance at the best price. They're finding Apple's Xserve systems as a way to get high performance at a very low cost. I'm sure that was part of their reason for going to Apple."
Mr. Wilcox thinks we could be looking at the beginning of a trend in HPC for Apple products.
"How far this goes is yet to be determined," he said. "I wouldn't be surprised if we see more of this moving forward. Apple has some good benefits such as very fast 64-bit hardware and attractive licensing terms with respect to software. This is very good power and performance at a very good value."
Mr. Day believes Apple's alliance with IBM is helping them get through doors it has previously had little success walking through.
"What you're seeing is the big guys in this field - Sun, HP and IBM - create the market and then players like Dell and Apple carve off their own niche. There's a 'behind the scenes' special relationship between Apple and IBM that is helping them get deals they otherwise would never see."
Brad Day agrees with Joe Wilcox that price is making a difference to HPC clients who are mostly federal government, government contractors and higher education.
"Cost sensitive segments of supercomputing are the ones Apple is having success with. That's why government-related and academics who are cost conscious are buying their products.
"In many ways, you could say Apple is to the PowerPC architecture what Dell is to the x86 market," Mr. Day commented. "They are not going to be leading innovators of the technology, but based on their alliances, they will come up with very low cost offerings from a bundled services point of view, as well as overall hardware and software point of view, that makes it compelling for IT organizations that have to be extremely cost conscious and frankly are satisfied with 'good enough' technology that is not breakthrough, innovative technology."
Observer Comments
Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:24 pm Subject: Linux Rules HPC - Over 20 Linux HPC Vendors
Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:44 pm Subject: "Good enough"??? What's Brad Day been smokin?
When you can call a 5.8 million system (the Army's recent G5 cluster) doing 15 teraflops "Good Enough" when compared to a 20 million Itanium system (lawrence Livermore) doing 20 teras, you gotta be just reading off Intel's marketing flyers. Hey Brad, if the Army put up 20 mil like LLNL did, but used it all in G5s, they would be at 51 teraflops.
.... "Good enough", indeed.
Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:53 pm Subject: Reality Checks real name revealed!
And this years stating the obvious award goes to ... IT Market analysts. Congratulations on your twentieth consecutive year winning this award.
Oh... my... well... I... I don't know what to say, I'm flattered... I... I'd like to thank the academy... and... and the clueless mainstream media, and the clueless general public, and Apple, for being so easy to analyse even though I Ignore you most of the time. And I can't forget all the people who listen to me even though I have no idea what I'm talking about. I wouldn't be here if it weren't for you. And of course my beutiful wife and kids, and Mom and Dad. Oh, and God (I almost forgot). Thank you, Thank you All.
Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:30 pm Subject: The biggest HPC clients
I think that soon Apple will be announcing some enterprise and entertainment companies that will, either through Apple or a VAR, announce their own mega-tera clusters. I see Dell competing in this only by name and not by value. Dell's only option to regain a possible advantage over Apple is to use Linux and AMD or a new MP Intel processor. In any case I see Apple's market share in this brand-new cluster HPC segment being closer to 30 percent.
Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:11 am Subject: Re: Linux Rules HPC - Over 20 Linux HPC Vendors
QuoteRealityCheck wrote:
Check the facts, there are over 20 Linux HPC vendors. A couple of isolated Apple sales doesn't mean that Apple can compete in this space.
The fact is Apple doesn't need to "compete" in this space. Apple only needs to sell computers at a profit. Whether or not those sales are to universities, governments, consumers, schools, graphic designers, etc. makes little difference at the end of the day.
As long as the profits continue (and the cash pile continues to build), it doesn't matter what the ratio is of Linux v. Macintosh sales in particualr markets at this point in time. With one of the strongest balance sheets in the business (more than $4.5 billion in cash and no debt), Apple can take its time entering new markets.
Lots of people sell the various government agencies and departments computers. The challenge is to do so at a reasonable profit.
The world's #1 distributor of Linux-based solutions is IBM. It's smart for Big Blue to take leadership in this arena similar to the way IBM is taking leadership in the microprocessor market through the partnership with Apple to produce the G5 and processors sharing the design for its own servers.
IMHO IBM is undervalued. Of all the technology companies in business today, I suspect IBM will find a way to actually make a return on Linux sales rather than the also-rans who see Linux as just another way to sell a cut-price PC.
QuoteDawnTreader wrote:QuoteRealityCheck wrote:
Check the facts, there are over 20 Linux HPC vendors. A couple of isolated Apple sales doesn't mean that Apple can compete in this space.
The world's #1 distributor of Linux-based solutions is IBM. It's smart for Big Blue to take leadership in this arena similar to the way IBM is taking leadership in the microprocessor market through the partnership with Apple to produce the G5 and processors sharing the design for its own servers.
Which brings me to my 'think different post'.....would it be out of the question to see IBM hocking off PowerPC servers with OSX server loaded onto it in a couple of years? - even a re-badged X-serve?
I mean it would be potenitially beneficial for both camps - IBM sells boat loads of chips - Apple gets their OS deployed and sells some hardware and IF they came out with the competitively priced enterprise desktop that everyone is begging for they could get Macs and OSX onto corporate desktops once again!
Just a bit of a thought - what do y'all think?!
I'm surprised that this article didn't mention the fact that reliability with OSX is also a main fact why they went with Apples G5 Xserve and OSX Server software. NO VIRUSES and a solid unix core with great security. I'm sure the government took all of this into account as well. Let's face it people Windows security has holes in it like swiss cheese. To many times these holes have cost companies around the world big money. This will be Apple's big chance to get into big corporations with a track record of no major problems with viruses and security break-ins.
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