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Virgina Tech's System X Slips to Seventh

Virgina Tech's System X Slips to Seventh

by , 12:05 AM EST, November 9th, 2004

Virginia Tech's System X cluster, consisting of 1,100 dual-2.3GHz Xserve G5s, has slipped from third to seventh in the Top 500 List of Supercomputer Sites, while two new entries took first and second.

NEC's Earth Simulator surrendered its reign as the world's fastest supercomputer to IBM's BlueGene/L DD2, which achieved a sustained performance of 70.72 TFlops, or roughly twice that of the Earth Simulator. BlueGene/L features 32,768 processors and will be used by the United State's Department of Energy. SGI's Altix, used by NASA/Ames Research Center and packing over 10,000 processors, took second place with a sustained performance of 51.87 TFlops.

System X, which performed at a respectable 12.25 TFlops, maintains plenty of distinction on the list, however: it's the only self-made system in the Top 100, and the only cluster in the Top 100 built with Xserves. It's also possibly the most affordable, costing about $5.5 million to construct.

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Close Name:DawnTreader -   TMO Staff Posts: 15039 Joined: 04 Jan 2002
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5 of the top 10 (including the world's fastest and the 7th place Virginia Tech "Big Mac") were constructed using IBM designed and manufactured processors.

Close Name:Guest
Subject: okay, okay...

...now can I have my dual 3 Gig?

sorry, couldn't resist.

Close Name:Guest
Subject: Still (happily) amazed...

...that mac related sites have a reason to report on the supercomputer list. Whooda thunk it a few years ago. The G5 and Unix underpinnings of OSX has done so much good for Apple in so many ways.

Close Name:Small White Car Posts: 1960 Joined: 02 Jul 2004
Subject: Re: okay, okay...

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Anonymous wrote:
...now can I have my dual 3 Gig?

sorry, couldn't resist.


Well, hey, didn't you learn anything from this article? Just buy four 2-gig Macs and you'll be good to go!

Close Name:rnizlek Posts: 6 Joined: 22 Oct 2004
Subject: Other XServe Cluster

Does the Xserve cluster that the military contractor for the army built even place on the charts? I don't see it.

Close Name:AFCdtLoeb Posts: 2533 Joined: 20 Jul 2004
Subject: Re: Other XServe Cluster

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rnizlek wrote:
Does the Xserve cluster that the military contractor for the army built even place on the charts? I don't see it.

The COLSA Army/Air Force supercomputer isn't yet finished. And when it is, I imagine its true, actual top speed will be classified.

Close Name:Small White Car Posts: 1960 Joined: 02 Jul 2004
Subject: Re: Other XServe Cluster

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AFCdtLoeb wrote:

The COLSA Army/Air Force supercomputer isn't yet finished. And when it is, I imagine its true, actual top speed will be classified.


I can see it now...

"Ours wins. Just trust us."

Close Name:Jason Varner -   TMO Mac Specialist Posts: 1125 Joined: 05 Jan 2002
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The Top500 list can't actually list it until it's been benchmarked. As I anticipate it's still under construction and testing, it probably hasn't been run through its paces yet.

And it also can't be listed if the government is unwilling to release the specs and speed. However, given that we know about it and the government told us, it seems likely we'll get to find out eventually. A number of the clusters that have gone in at government labs (Sandia, Los Alamos, Livermore, etc.) have had published specifications and rather vague descriptions of use (I remember one of Livermore's was listed as 'energy research'.)

Rest assured though, it should show up fairly high on the list.

Jason

Close Name:Guest
Subject: me too

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Guest wrote:
...now can I have my dual 3 Gig?

sorry, couldn't resist.


Me too

Close Name:Mace Posts: 9604 Joined: 07 Aug 2003
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Me too

Close Name:Guest
Subject: COLSA cluster will be limited

Seriously, I understand that they are using Gigabit ethernet, which is an order of magnitude (~10x) slower than the Infiniband interconnect used on System X. That will handicap the performance of COLSA ... possibly helping them to justify an expensive interconnect upgrade from the Army.

Close Name:Mav Posts: 1320 Joined: 17 Oct 2003
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It's still great news! Given an equal number of processors, a G5-based supercluster can cream Itaniums and hang with those 1.5GHz SGI Altix processors I haven't heard about 'til now . Better still, System X is "complete," so beyond the mere teraflops numbers, clients are actually getting to see the cost-effective power of the G5 in action. There's bound to be some big-time Xserve purchases in the months and years to come, especially after the inevitable Xserve update.

Close Name:deasys Posts: 296 Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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DawnTreader wrote:
5 of the top 10 (including the world's fastest and the 7th place Virginia Tech "Big Mac") were constructed using IBM designed and manufactured processors.


Yep, and conversely, only 2 of the top 10 use Intel-based processors...

Close Name:Mace Posts: 9604 Joined: 07 Aug 2003
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Apple has to be careful in pushing xServe in the server esp supercomputing market. Will IBM be offended? It is always in the back of my mind as to the real reason for G5 processor supply problems.

Close Name:Small White Car Posts: 1960 Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Mace wrote:
Apple has to be careful in pushing xServe in the server esp supercomputing market. Will IBM be offended? It is always in the back of my mind as to the real reason for G5 processor supply problems.


Since IBM makes money off of each G5 made, perhaps they won't mind as much.

But who knows, maybe it's not enough money? I've found, that when "competitors" like these enter into agreements like this, they know this kind of thing will happen and work out all the numbers ahead of time. I'm betting that IBM would be equally happy with a G5 sale as they would with one of their own systems.

(Remember, it's less income, but also less expense because they don't have to build the rest of the computer. It's possible that it's the same amount of profit.)

I'm not basing this on anything, but it's possible.

Close Name:Guest
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System x only has 1,100 processors...if System X had 10k+ processors...it would cream the competitors and take first place!

Close Name:jacrav Posts: 268 Joined: 04 Jul 2001
Subject: 1100 XServes, 2200 processors …

When they’re all running, which I believe they aren’t yet, only enough to be benchmarked …
Don’t forget that the processors in *these* XServes aren’t yet available to just anybody, they’re the “cream of the crop” with a faster clockspeed … (not 3GHz, though ) …  )

Close Name:Mace Posts: 9604 Joined: 07 Aug 2003
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1,100 dual G5 ... means 2,200 processors.

Close Name:Guest
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Wish I had $5.5 million...

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