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The REAL 'Shiny' Details of The Consumer Reports Ratings on Macs

TMO Reports - The REAL 'Shiny' Details of The Consumer Reports Ratings on Macs

by , 9:00 AM EST, November 12th, 2004

You've read in recent days the stories of positive ratings on Apple Macs from the December issue of Consumer Reports magazine. But the real story is in the actual scores and recommendations by Consumers Union (CU), which are some of the most positive ever given by the non-profit testing group. As CU called it, Macs are a "shiny Apple".

Apple repair and tech support rankings highest

In the four-page story obtained by The Mac Observer, Consumer Reports said Apple's repair history and technical support satisfaction were the best of all personal computer manufacturers.

In the last four years, 12% of Mac owners who responded to Consumer Reports 2004 Annual Questionnaire had to resort to repairs and/or had other serious problems -- the fewest of any PC maker. Sony PCs had the second fewest, followed by Dell and eMachines.

As for technical support, Apple had a score of 76 -- the highest of any PC manufacturer. Consumer Reports subscribers who used Apple tech support gave a 'better' rating (the highest possible) in getting their problems solved, shortest time spent waiting on support phone calls, experienced and knowledgeable support staff, and best Web support. No other PC company received a 'better' rating in any category. Dell was second receiving a score of 57 and no better than an 'average' rating in any category.

Because of good reliability and tech support results, Apple portable and desktop PCs were recommended by CR as 'best pick'.

CU acknowledged that satisfaction among its subscribers, fewer viruses and spyware on the Mac platform were favorable factors that raised Apple products above all others.

Mac ratings all 'very good'

Apple's Mac desktop and laptop PCs all received ratings in the 'very good' range.

The 17-inch G5 iMac received an overall score of 80 out of a possible 100. The G4 1.0GHz eMac scored 62. While good ratings, the were well below cheaper, Pentium 4 systems running at 3.2GHz which all received 'excellent' scores of over 91. The difference: better 'convenience' and 'expansion' ratings than Macs.

Apple PowerBook and iBook laptops received more competitive scores with their Windows counterparts. The 15-inch G4 1GHz PowerBook got a score of 65 for a 'very good' rating. The 14-inch G4 922MHz iBook got a score of 62. All other Windows-based laptops got no better than a 'very good' overall score.

Concern: worsening support

As wireless home networks become more popular and viruses proliferate, CU said it is becoming tougher for technical support at PC companies to solve complex problems.

"Only 61% of survey respondents said (their technical issues) were solved, seven points lower than in our last survey," CU said. Concerning: 24% of those who phoned tech support say the support agent had problems communicating in English.

The main issue appears to be that tech support of PC makers isn't designed to support virus issues, connectivity problems and issues with third-party add-ons. CU recommends PC users use virus protection, install the latest software updates and be ready for long waits on the phone to find the answers they need.

CU did not break down whether growing tech support issues were primarily a problem with Windows-based PC and their manufacturers, or if problems were slightly up related to Apple Macs.

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Close Name:geoduck Posts: 1922 Joined: 30 Dec 2003
Subject: Tech Support Worsening

What I've run into several times is that I will call about an issue. Front line Tech Support cannot solve it so they create a trouble ticket, and escalate the problem to Tier 2. Tier 2 doesn't know what to do so they wait a week and then I get an e-mail saying that because the issue is resolved they are closing the ticket.

Apple is the one company that has NEVER done this to me. If I call with a problem they have always busted their A** to get it resolved.

Close Name:Guest
Subject: Great Deals

Great Deals has new Macs available for prices hundreds of dollars less than anyone else on the web. Our prices on new G5s, iMacs, eMacs, Powerbooks, and iBooks are so low that we can't even quote them here.

Our exclusive price list is available only to the first 100 people who contact us. In order to give you this special pricing, we must first verify your identity. Please email the following information to greatdealz100@hotmail.com:

edit: This mod believes that TMO readers are more intelligent than average folks who fall for these kinds of scams. Please remember that personal information such as social security number and passwords are the type of information that you should keep secure. --jinkies

Within 48 hours we will respond with the price list and an exclusive link to our web site. Be assured that our prices are hundreds of dollars less than anyone else. You will save lots of money$$$

Close Name:Small White Car Posts: 1960 Joined: 02 Jul 2004
Subject: LOL

Wow, BEST SPAM EVER.

lol

Close Name:Guest
Subject: Never needed support

In all the years that I have used Apple products, I have never had to call their help desk. Usually, I have been able to figure out issues myself or by consulting the web.

Close Name:geoduck Posts: 1922 Joined: 30 Dec 2003
Subject: Re: Never needed support

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Anonymous wrote:
In all the years that I have used Apple products, I have never had to call their help desk. Usually, I have been able to figure out issues myself or by consulting the web.

Or (gasp) the manual.

Close Name:dux5 Posts: 112 Joined: 02 Jul 2002
Subject: They're Human

I had a power adapter for my PB catch fire internally and smoke out.

I called and said this thing was so hot I litterally dropped it.

The first thing out of the person's mouth was: "Are you OK?"

Clearly there was a real person with a head on their shoulders on the other end of the line ... not just someone reading from a script. Can't say that of most places I've called.

Close Name:Biff Posts: 1479 Joined: 08 Apr 2004
Subject:

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Guest wrote:
In all the years that I have used Apple products, I have never had to call their help desk. Usually, I have been able to figure out issues myself or by consulting the web.
Help desk? What do you work at Apple or something?

Also, I buy all of my Mac products from RadicalMacDealzNetWeb.com cause they are hella-cheap.

Close Name:geoduck Posts: 1922 Joined: 30 Dec 2003
Subject: Re: Great Deals

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Anonymous wrote:
Great Deals...Please email the following information to greatdealz100@hotmail.com:...You will save lots of money$$$
They aren't based in Nigeria by any chance are they?

Close Name:mahuti -   TMO Staff Posts: 377 Joined: 09 Jan 2003
Subject: Maiden name

I think greatdealz forgot to ask for your mother's maiden name... you should go ahead and send them that information as well.

Close Name:Small White Car Posts: 1960 Joined: 02 Jul 2004
Subject: Re: Great Deals Phone Number

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Anonymous wrote:
Great Deals is a real and legitimate business based in Minnesota.


Regardless of how real your business is, this board doesn't allow advertising in the forums. Just letting you know, your messages may be erased later, but it has nothing to do with how legitamate you are.

Oh, and as for everyone else...

http://www.google.com/search?sa=X&oi=fwp&pb=f&q=(651)+779-2700

Close Name:mshoaf Posts: 112 Joined: 02 Dec 2002
Subject: Great Deals

Did Reality Check get a new "job"???

Close Name:Guest
Subject: Dissapointment

I was pretty dissapointed with CU's article. The title gets your hopes up by saying "59,940 reasons to reconsider a Mac", but then baiscally says...Yeah the Macs are great, Apple is great BUT you will pay a lot more and you will have to pay to convert your software over. It was all very brief and not much information given. Their virus numbers are a little off too considering that the 60 Mac viruses that Symantec quoted them includes all the OS9 and earlier worms and the old MS Office Macro stuff. As we know there is MAYBE one or two that directly effect any new Apple products running OS X. But I guess it's a step in the right direction.

-zip

Close Name:Small White Car Posts: 1960 Joined: 02 Jul 2004
Subject:

^^

Yeah, that kind of stuff is pretty common with ANY tech reporting, sadly, so I'm not surprised. But the over-all picture is good, and that's what people who would be tricked by those kind of things most likely care about.

Close Name:geoduck Posts: 1922 Joined: 30 Dec 2003
Subject: Re: Great Deals

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Anonymous wrote:
Name
Address
Credit Card Number and expiration date
(be sure to include the extra 3 digits on the back of the card)
Social Security Number
PayPal ID and password (if a member)
email address

Nope. I ain't gonna bite. No legitimate business would ask for all of this information to be sent blindly over unencrypted e-mail. Heck, I wouldn't deal with any business that with would ask for this information up front.
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Anonymous wrote:
Great Deals is a real and legitimate business based in Minnesota. If you feel insecure giving your personal information via email, please contact us at (651) 779-2700 and ask for Larry Schmidt. You will save lots of money$$$

You've had your joke, just drop it.

Close Name:Mace Posts: 9604 Joined: 07 Aug 2003
Subject:

TMO forum mod tolerates Great Deals?

Close Name:technoguy100 Posts: 47 Joined: 12 Aug 2004
Subject: Back on topic...

If we could get the discussion back on topic...Great Deals is an obvious scam. Why are we discussing it here?

Consumer Reports has a great deal of influence in many people's buying decisions and I think this is very positive. This is another big boost to the image of the Mac.

Close Name:Mace Posts: 9604 Joined: 07 Aug 2003
Subject: Re: Back on topic...

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technoguy100 wrote:
If we could get the discussion back on topic...Great Deals is an obvious scam. Why are we discussing it here?

Consumer Reports has a great deal of influence in many people's buying decisions and I think this is very positive. This is another big boost to the image of the Mac.
Agreed.

Close Name:geoduck Posts: 1922 Joined: 30 Dec 2003
Subject:

Seriously, exposure like this in a mainstream (e.g. not techy or geeky, or maccentric. The sort of thing that'll end up in a waiting room where anyone can pick it up and look at it) publication just before the holidays is very good.

Close Name:Guest
Subject: Apple support sucks!

I called apple support about a networking problem. The first thing out of the techs mouth was "if its a third party router he wont help me". I have a pc and an apple on my network and like 75% of the apple users I do not use airport.
It turned out that the problem was not an networking problem after all. A knowledgeable tech would have solved the problem in seconds. This one choose not to hear the problem at all!

Close Name:Lanthar Posts: 54 Joined: 07 May 2004
Subject: SWC - That's awesome....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Quote
Small White Car wrote:
Quote
Anonymous wrote:
Great Deals is a real and legitimate business based in Minnesota.


Regardless of how real your business is, this board doesn't allow advertising in the forums. Just letting you know, your messages may be erased later, but it has nothing to do with how legitamate you are.

Oh, and as for everyone else...

http://www.google.com/search?sa=X&oi=fwp&pb=f&q=(651)+779-2700

Close Name:Guest
Subject: Minnesota Correctional Facility-Stillwate - (651) 779-2700

Maybe he works in the computer department?

Close Name:AFCdtLoeb Posts: 2533 Joined: 20 Jul 2004
Subject:

:::Robb hands SWC general issue Air Force cold weather gear for this topics inevitable trip to Sibera:::

Close Name:jinkies -   Evil Girl of TMO Posts: 3846 Joined: 24 Sep 2001
Subject:

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Mace wrote:
TMO forum mod tolerates Great Deals?


On the contrary, we're sorry the original post stuck around so long. At least you guys are smarter than Mr. Greatdealz.

Close Name:Guest
Subject:

Quote
Guest wrote:
Our exclusive price list is available only to the first 100 people who contact us. In order to give you this special pricing, we must first verify your identity. Please email the following information to greatdealz100@hotmail.com


In order to verify who wants to verify me, I will need to know your name, address, phone number, age, weight, height, hair color, 3 business references, blood type, immunization records, driver's license, and license plate number. Thank you for your cooperation!

Close Name:-hh Posts: 54 Joined: 04 Aug 2004
Subject: Helpful hint

FWIW, sometimes the best thing you can do with a bad Tech Support person is to thank them, and then hang up.

Then hit <redial> and get a new Tech Support person to try again.


-hh

Close Name:Small White Car Posts: 1960 Joined: 02 Jul 2004
Subject: Re: Helpful hint

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-hh wrote:
FWIW, sometimes the best thing you can do with a bad Tech Support person is to thank them, and then hang up.

Then hit <redial> and get a new Tech Support person to try again.


-hh


lol, like refreshing a web page?

Close Name:John@was Posts: 15 Joined: 24 Jun 2004
Subject: Spam begets more spam,,,

Quote
Guest wrote:
Due to the poor attitude of the Mac community, Hotmail has shut down the Great Deals email account. You people have done this to yourselves since you would have saved a lot of money$$$ But now it is your loss.

For those of you who responded before the email account was shut down, I will be forwarding your information to some of our sister companies. You should soon recieve special offers from them on great products.


LOL!!! That's just too good.

Close Name:jacrav Posts: 268 Joined: 04 Jul 2001
Subject: GreatDealz web site …

Their web page (only one, as far as I can tell):
Hello! ??????!

Close Name:Guest
Subject: Troubleshooting

Whenever I have to call for help (which is rare), I invariably get a person with whom I cannot communicate and have to spend more time than one ever should before I can get an understandable English speaking person. This is my biggest gripe with telephone help. Now, I don't call but if there is a problem I use the computer trouble line.

Close Name:Guest
Subject:

the thing that always bothers me about consumer reports' mac ratings is that they give terrible marks for "upgrading" or "expanding" a system - ie: adding a 2nd HD, extra monitor, etc, but all they do is review the all-in-one machines, while dell et al. get their towers reviewed. apple would score much higher if they actually compared similar products - ie: g5 to a dell tower.

still, it was refreshing to see a mac on the front cover while getting positive remarks.

just my $0.02

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