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Apple Backs Blu-ray DVD; Joins Consortium (UPDATE)

TMO Reports - Apple Backs Blu-ray DVD; Joins Consortium (UPDATE)

by , 11:05 AM EST, March 10th, 2005

Apple Computer will become a member of The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) with a seat on its board of directors, the company announced Thursday. The announcement paves the way for the Mac maker to add support for the high-capacity Blu-Ray storage technology in its DVD hardware and software.

"Apple is pleased to join the Blu-ray Disc Association board as part of our efforts to drive consumer adoption of HD," said Apple Chief Executive Officer Steve Jobs, in a prepared statement. "Consumers are already creating stunning HD content with Apple's leading video editing applications like iMovie HD and are anxiously awaiting a way to burn their own high def DVDs."

"We're thrilled about Apple joining our 16-member board, and we look forward to working with them on the development and promotion of the Blu-ray Disc format," said Maureen Weber, chief BDA spokesperson and general manager of HP's Optical Storage Solutions Business.

"This is good news for the alliance and good news for Apple because they are going to have a say on future standards at a very high level," Strategy Analytics analyst Peter King told TMO. "I think Apple will certainly help and probably influence the content community and especially movies studios like Disney, MGM."

Mr. King has some questions about what the alliance with Apple means. "The announcement was vague and I wonder what their role will be," he said.

What is not known is if the agreement is an exclusive deal or if Apple could support a competing DVD standard, known as HD-DVD. An Apple spokesperson was not immediately available for comment to The Mac Observer.

The Apple announcement was planned to coincide with a similar announcement made at the CeBIT electronics trade show, taking place in Hanover, Germany.

What is Blu-ray?

Blu-ray is a next-generation optical disc format being developed for High Definition video and high-capacity software applications. The format was developed originally by Sony to enable recording, rewriting and playback of high-definition video (HD), as well as storing large amounts of data.

A single-layer Blu-ray Disc can hold 25 gigabytes (GB), which can be used to record over two hours of HDTV or more than 13 hours of standard-definition TV. There are also dual-layer versions of the discs that can hold 50GB.

While current optical disc technologies such as DVD, DVD±R, DVD±RW, and DVD-RAM use a red laser to read and write data, the new format uses a blue-violet laser instead, hence the name Blu-ray.

The BDA has over 100 members including Dell, Hewlett Packard, Hitachi, Panasonic, Pioneer, Phillips, Samsung, Sharp and Sony, Sony Pictures, MGM and Walt Disney. Over the years, Apple has used Pioneer and Sony DVD drives in its Macintosh computers.

Apple's Blu-Ray plans unsure

Despite Thursday's announcement that it is onboard with the Blu-Ray technology, Apple has given no signs of when it might update its hardware and software to support the standard. Industry watchers believe Apple has been planning for Blu-Ray support for some time in its operating system and has been working with Pioneer and Sony to incorporate Blu-Ray-ready DVD drives in future versions of the Macintosh.

Neither Pioneer or Hitachi have announced the availability of a Blu-Ray DVD drive. Presently, only Sony and Samsung have announced Blue-ray drives, which have yet to ship.

Blu-Ray's future

Blu-ray discs are expected to become available in three different versions in the next few months -- BD-ROM as a read-only format, BD-R as write-once and BD-RE, a rewritable format.

Blu-ray discs are expected to become available in versions with up to 50GB of space on dual-layer discs and 25GB on single layer. By 2007, Sony believes it can compress data even more to create 100GB of storage space and later up to 200GB.

In January at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Philips demonstrated a Blu-Ray disc drive with backwards compatibility to CDs and DVDs. Still in its early stages of development, the device reads and writes CD, DVD and Blu-ray discs. Philips expects the drives to ship in the second half of this year.

The battle of the DVD

Apple's decision to support Blu-Ray is a major plus for the BDA that is competing in a format war with another standard -- HD-DVD. In the HD-DVD camp are manufacturers Toshiba, NEC, film studios Paramount Pictures, Universal Studios, Warner Bros. and New Line Cinema.

Technically, there are few differences between the two technologies. At present, HD-DVD can only store 25GB of data versus 50GB for Blu-Ray, but its developers say they are about to announce substantial increases in storage capacity.

While HD-DVD has not got as many backers, it does have some technology advantages over Blu-Ray. Media and mass-produced movie titles on HD-DVD can be made in the same plants that are now being used to make standard definition discs. The advantage will be cheaper prices on HD-DVD discs than Blu-Ray.

There has been talk among industry executives of both camps of trying to find a way to unify on one standard, so as to not cause mass consumer confusion, aka the Betmax versus VHS wars of 80s.

"The time for unification is now, before a Darwinian process of natural selection can set in, and before the expenditures of many millions with the prospect of a stunted new format being a distance possibility," said Bob Chapek, president of the Digital Entertainment Group at the 2005 International Consumers Electronics Show in Las vegas last January.

One way of bringing both groups together would be a technological solution. Japanese company JVC unveiled at CES a non-recordable hybrid disc featuring an integration of HD DVD/Blue-ray formats that could prove to be the answer. The new DVD has three layers, dual DVD-layers topped by a 25GB high-definition Blue-ray layer for a total of 33.5GB capacity. JVC said it is working on a four-layer disc providing two Blue-ray layers and two DVD layers for a total of 58.5GB of storage capacity.

But Mr. King believes it's very unlikely at this stage that both alliances will form a union.

"We're going to role out later this year with products that have two formats," Mr. King said. "We're are going to have another format war. Pure and simple."

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Close Name:VSeward -   TMO Staff Posts: 972 Joined: 28 Jun 2001
Subject: It's about friggin time!

Don't understand why Apple hesitated on this. Heck, they should have founded the association.

Vern Seward

Close Name:Guest
Subject: Well, obviously...Apple is doomed. NM

; )

Close Name:technoguy100 Posts: 47 Joined: 12 Aug 2004
Subject: Apple should support both formats

Apple should support both formats and allow consumers to choose which type of HD wrtiter they want to buy and use with their Mac. Or better yet, they should work with JVC to develop dual format drives so that Macs will work with whatever format wins out in the end.

Close Name:Spider Posts: 2997 Joined: 12 Aug 2001
Subject: forgot to mention in the article

Brad,

An important piece of information was left out of the article concerning the adoption of Blu-Ray.

The fact that it is the standard for almost all Playstation3 games. Sony's monster of a console right now with v2 has over 80 million of them in homes. That is just in the US.

There is no sign of Sony slowing down at all with the PS3, so it would be safe to say, at the moment, that Sony is going to continue their domination of that market.

That would put Blu-Ray in the hands of another 80 million people. Not right off the bat, but there will be about 2 million in the first year.

That makes market penetration a lot easier.

On the flip side, there are rumors that M$ is putting HD-DVD support into the Xbox2. Rumors only at the moment, but then M$ doesn't have the pull they used to have on format wars.

Close Name:Guest
Subject: Re: Forgot to mention in article

[quote="Spider"]Brad,

An important piece of information was left out of the article concerning the adoption of Blu-Ray.

The fact that it is the standard for almost all Playstation3 games....

While this point was left out and it is important, it is not as important as it relates to the Macintosh. That is why is was not included.

Thanks for bringing this point to everyone's attention.

Brad Gibson

Close Name:Spider Posts: 2997 Joined: 12 Aug 2001
Subject:

I felt it was important because in the article the adoption of the technology and the fight it will have with HD-DVD, and the comparison to VHS/Beta, opened the door for at least a footnote. While not directly affecting the Macintosh, it can in a roundabout way.

The market penetration that the PS3 will afford Blu-Ray will help Apple if they decide to stay with Blu-Ray technology in their machines. Although this is all but a given, they could change their minds if HD-DVD gets some steam. Steve and friends were a bit late to the CD-RW party, remember.

I am happy to add it here in the comments, though.

Close Name:JimWCB Posts: 301 Joined: 29 Aug 2002
Subject:

Quote
technoguy100 wrote:
Apple should support both formats and allow consumers to choose which type of HD wrtiter they want to buy and use with their Mac. Or better yet, they should work with JVC to develop dual format drives so that Macs will work with whatever format wins out in the end.


Before they can do that, there would have to be drives that can read/write to both formats. For the first gerneation of HD-DVD and BD drives that doesn't look like it's going to be possible.

So the only way to support both would be to have two drives in systems... expensive, space hogging, and cumbersome.

Personally, I believe Blu-Ray is the better format and I hope it wins and HD-DVD dies soon. Blu-ray holds more data, is a larger step forward as respect to it's technology (HD-DVD is a small step forward from exisiting DVD technology, IMHO), and has rewritable media from the start.

If I'm going to start buying new hardware and media, I'd rather it be a large enough step forward that it's worth the money (HD-DVD isn't, IMHO).

Even then, I'm not planning on replacing my entire DVD library anytime soon.

Close Name:Guest
Subject: More proof Apple is evil, iLemmings

.. oh wait, that's what some bonehead will write later.

Close Name:jacrav Posts: 268 Joined: 04 Jul 2001
Subject: One more thing …

that I didn't see in the article is the fact that the DRM format to be used on BDs is AACS. Not that I like DRM, but it looks like Apple might have been invited in on the strength of its iTMS success …

Close Name:Guest
Subject: AAC / AVC vs. AACS

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jacrav wrote:
that I didn't see in the article is the fact that the DRM format to be used on BDs is AACS. Not that I like DRM, but it looks like Apple might have been invited in on the strength of its iTMS success …

AACS (Advanced Access Content System) has nothing to do with AAC (Advanced Audio Coding) or AVC (Advanced Video Coding)

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heise online wrote:
Neues DRM-System fÑŒr die Heimkinos der Zukunft

Sieben Unternehmen aus der Elektronik- und Medienbranche haben mit dem Advanced Access Content System (AACS) ein neues digitales Rechtemanagement angekÑŒndigt, das bei bespielbaren und vorbespielten optischen Medien zum Einsatz kommen soll. AACS, hinter dem konkret Intel, Microsoft, Panasonic (Matsushita Electric), Sony, Toshiba, Walt Disney und die Warner Bros. Studios stehen, wird beispielsweise darÑŒber wachen, ob und in welcher Weise Video-Kopien angefertigt werden dÑŒrfen.

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/49091?info=EXLINK

As you can see on the official Homepage of AACS, Apple is not among the Founders of AACS:
http://www.aacsla.com

Close Name:Guest
Subject: AVC

Infos about AVC:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVC
http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/h264.html

Close Name:Guest
Subject: comment

hi jim,
the last line in your comment says that you have no plan to replace your entire dvd library. the hd dvd is a technology backing your dvd so you should support it instead. the blu ray is not practical, hence giving the edge to hd dvd .
anyway, i support hd dvd.

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