Motorola is bowing to Steve's reality distortion field. Ha! Looks like we know who's pulling the strings with this deal...

Makes perfect sense to me.. there will be a HUGE run on these if the phones themselves are attractive, and with the fickle nature of the mobile handset market, you want availability when you announce. This has been one of the most frustrating and mismanaged aspects of handset manufacturers - pre-announcing a product 6-12 months ahead of release, and then keeping supply short even when its actually released by the carriers. Good for Apple for changing the nature of the game.

they join napster in playing this blame game, wah wah wah, apple didn't do this, wah wah wah, apple did this....

Don't they have a phone to keep in contact about these matters.

Spy

There could still be a problem with the carriers (note downplayed not denied), and Apple is willing to take the heat for it. Apple wants this thing to be successful, as there's more Apple prestige riding on this than Motorola prestige. I think the last thing Apple wants is to allow it to seem like the carriers are blocking iTunes.

Remember when Apple reduced the number of iTunes burns allowed, now they've done it again. Using a security scare Apple tricked iLemmings into actually downgrading their iTunes software drastically reducing Rendezvous streaming. Check the facts and the fuming iTunes users:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/15/social_music/

http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?13@459.O2IHaVxzRd4.0@.68a6cb91/0

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RealityCheck wrote:
Check the facts and the fuming iTunes users:

Oh my there's a whopping 13 posts in the Apple discussion thread. No doubt the dissatisfaciton of those 13 individuals (not all of which were complaining) will seriously impact the popularity of iTunes.

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RealityCheck wrote:
Check the facts and the fuming iTunes users:

Oh my there's a whopping 13 posts in the Apple discussion thread. No doubt the dissatisfaciton of those 13 individuals (not all of which were complaining) will seriously impact the popularity of iTunes.

Probably because Apple deleted most of the others like they've done in the past.

Had nothing to do with Apple, but is there is something that really bother me is to wait 3 month for a coming product...

I do prefer Steve ways....

I wonder what cell phone RC uses? Probably the free one he got when he used his allowance to buy one of those prepaid cellular phones teenagers use. Then again, we're assuming his mommy would let him use the phone.

"Motorola tends to show products months in advance, while Apple likes to begin selling new products the day they are announced."

That's not necessarily true. I remember the PowerMac G5 being announced before they shipped, and then being delayed. I understand the logic of only announcing products when you're ready to ship them, but Apple's track record would suggest the pot calling the kettle black.

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iggyb wrote:
"Motorola tends to show products months in advance, while Apple likes to begin selling new products the day they are announced."

That's not necessarily true. I remember the PowerMac G5 being announced before they shipped, and then being delayed. I understand the logic of only announcing products when you're ready to ship them, but Apple's track record would suggest the pot calling the kettle black.

Read it again. It says Apple *likes* to. It doesn't say they always have and always will do it that way forever and ever until the end of time. Quit nitpicking.

I don't remember the PM G5 situation specifically, but there is a difference between date of shipping and the date they go on sale. There have been a few products from Apple that have gone on sale, but weren't expected to ship for weeks or months after they were available for purchase. That is usually a known (or estimated) time. The problem that the mobile phone market has had is there have been some products that have been announced for a future release, but then they never make it to market. The product disappears from the manufacturers web site after a while. Apple takes advantage of the announcement by getting people to buy while they're excited about the product being announced. They are also locked in to producing that product, even if the ship date is out a ways, because they're holding people's information until that product ships (they don't charge the credit card until it gets shipped, in my experience).

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I wonder what cell phone RC uses? Probably the free one he got when he used his allowance to buy one of those prepaid cellular phones teenagers use. Then again, we're assuming his mommy would let him use the phone.

First of all, you're comment makes no sense. He uses the free cell phone he got when he bought a cell phone?

Second, it isn't just teenagers who use prepaid phones, in spite of the marketing. I know several adults, aged from the 30s to 70s, who use prepaid phones. My wife switched when we calculated a savings of a couple hundred dollars per year.

I can't imagine making fun of what kind of cell phone someone uses. Are you sure you're not a teenager?

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RealityCheck wrote:
Remember when Apple reduced the number of iTunes burns allowed, now they've done it again. Using a security scare Apple tricked iLemmings into actually downgrading their iTunes software drastically reducing Rendezvous streaming. Check the facts and the fuming iTunes users:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/15/social_music/

http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?13@459.O2IHaVxzRd4.0@.68a6cb91/0

Who needs to burn a playlist even 7 times? You don't have permission to burn a CD 7 times? You don't simultaniously share your CD with 5 people.

Why be angry about this - these "restrictions" are far less restrictive than a CD.

anyone recall the first mac? jobs made the mistake of letting bill gates in on the secret and now the rest is history. besides, do we really need to know about the product much before it's released? i know it hypes up the consumer base, but if there is a delay, you have consumers that are even more pissed for having to wait that much longer (recent apple supply miscalculations notwithstanding). i don't blame jobs for his product release methods, especially with products as design oriented as apple's. it leaves the competition with little to rip-off until the product is already launched.