Will the statement have much of an impact with the hoi poli.

RC, care to pipe in here with comment.

He may be a biased journalist, but he's OUR biased journalist!!!

If you think viruses are a problem, when iLemmings installed the much vaunted Apple Panther OS they got their data on firewire drives erased. Talk about learning a lesson. Check the facts:
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Nov/bma20031103022487.htm

I like my computing virus free... all you fools stay away from the mac! The more of you come over, the more people will want to write virii for the mac!!!

Deploying W2K3 SP1: What Breaks?

W2K3 SP1 is essentially the server counterpart of WinXP SP2. The service pack for server is geared to security-related fixes and updates. It is expected that about 80 percent of "major server apps" will work out of the box. That means 20 percent need tweaks like turning off the MS Firewall.

Microsoft's KB has a good entry with the results of the Redmond "Windows Application Experience" test teams with SP1. They grabbed 127 server apps and tried it on W2K3 with SP1. Here are the results:
http://www.w2knews.com/rd/rd.cfm?id=050418RN-W2K3_SP1

A bunch of relatively important things turned out not to work. Here is a partial list of applications known to have problems, culled from a lot of different sources and discussions on the Sunbelt NTSYSADMIN forum.
MOM users found a bug that kills the MOM admin console

Computer Associates' Brightstor ARCserve Backup 11.0

HP's Compaq Insight Manager and HP Insight Manager 4.0 products

Rockliffe Inc.'s MailSite e-mail server software breaks too

Microsoft Application Center 2000 Service Pack 2

SP1 breaks Cisco IUnity VOIP, uninstall SP1 to fix this

Microsoft Baseline Security Analyzer 1.2.1

Dell's OpenManage Software, and PowerEdge Domain Controllers

Microsoft (ISA) Server 2000 Service Pack 1

Some clients could not get dhcp address until the firewall was off

Microsoft Exchange Server 2003

MS SQL Server Reporting Services

Citrix Metaframe Remote client cannot connect to server

MS SMS 2003

NetIQ's AppManager 5.01 and 6.0 and GPAdmin 2.0 products

Trend Micro's ServerProtect



Microsoft is also getting flak for not talking enough to its Small Business Server customers. A lot of these have set up SUS or WUS. Now, when our friends in Redmond released SP1 for W2K3, as an SBS admin you see the Server SP1 show up on your SUS/WSUS update list. You decide to secure your server deploy SP1.

OUCH! Things break right, left and center. Here are some examples: fax services are failing, DHCP likely died, the "Change IP Address" tool has expired like a dead parrot. What should have been done is TEST, TEST, TEST! But SBS customers are a special breed. They often do not have the resources to do this. One server and that's it. Redmond should really have made it abundantly clear that this SP1 is NOT for SBS. So be very careful with that SP1 in your SBS environment, There will be a special SP1 for SBS later. More:

I'll give you that one. That really sucked for a few people. The problem was addressed very quickly, and is not an ongoing problem inherent in the OS like so many of Microsoft's problems.

Admins are fed up with M$ service packs that they put off updating the machines on their networks until microsloft is forcing the issue.

http://searchwin2000.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid1_gci1071985,00.html?track=NL-118&ad=508871

Look closely at the article. Analysts also agreed that the security benefits of deploying SP2 outweigh any application compatibility issues. Isn't the reason I run a computer is for the applications.

This is only one of many articles on the internet talking about putting off installing a ms patch.

How long does a Mac user put off updating their machine? I usually wait a week.

I have a pc that we test sp on, just so when it blows up its no big deal.

Shhhh...don't tell RC about the Microsoft article titled "You May Lose Data or Program Settings After Reinstalling, Repairing, or Upgrading Windows XP" it may shatter his delusion that Apple operating systems are somehow unique in having bugs.

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Admins are fed up with M$ service packs that they put off updating the machines on their networks until microsloft is forcing the issue.

http://searchwin2000.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid1_gci1071985,00.html?track=NL-118&ad=508871

Look closely at the article. Analysts also agreed that the security benefits of deploying SP2 outweigh any application compatibility issues. Isn't the reason I run a computer is for the applications.

This is only one of many articles on the internet talking about putting off installing a ms patch.

How long does a Mac user put off updating their machine? I usually wait a week.

I have a pc that we test sp on, just so when it blows up its no big deal.

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RealityCheck wrote:
If you think viruses are a problem, when iLemmings installed the much vaunted Apple Panther OS they got their data on firewire drives erased. Talk about learning a lesson. Check the facts:
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Nov/bma20031103022487.htm

I had no trouble at all installing SP2. Maybe it is the installer not the installation?

[quote="Guest
Also, I spent two days trying to install SP2 on my own PC at home, eventually giving up and reinstalling XP to SP1 level because of all the things that broke (not applications, just basic things, like not being able to access any accounts). So I'm not installing it on my work laptop.[/quote]

I can understand why an IT person like RealityCheck would not like Macs.
Just think of all the IT people that would be out of work with a OS that is not constantly breaking, or needing security patches downloaded every Tuesday.

Way to sock it to us RC

When I was a kid in grade school, there was this little malcontent named Britain. Everyone who ever went to school knows a kid just like him. Anyway, he lived to make everyone's life miserable. If you wore a yankees hat, he'd scream "yankees suck". If you said your favorite movie was star wars, he'd scream "Star wars sucks". And so on and so on, eventually a school counselor came and talked to us about him. She said that he was going through a phase he'd likely grow out of, but in the mean time we whould all try to be his friends.

My guess is RC is either 10-12 years old, or hasn't grown out of this phase.

RC, do you need a friend?

Lets see, we could actually spend some time training the 12 O'clock flashers on how to use the applications they have available to them. Or we could take all the money we spend on virus/adware/malware/etc, and update our network infastructure. Maybe get some training?

Naw, Macs cost way to much to ever be viable in a business setting. Besides our purchasing agents would have to sell their dull stock and buy Apple, thats the only reason I can see for ever buying that junk.

"If you think viruses are a problem, when iLemmings installed the much vaunted Apple Panther OS they got their data on firewire drives erased. Talk about learning a lesson. Check the facts:
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Nov/bma20031103022487.htm"

Check the facts:

That article's from November 2003, AND it's talking about OS X Panther. That gives it zero relevence, considering OS X Tiger is the one people will be upgrading to. Also, the problem got fixed so quickly that nothing came of it. Try again.

In response to RC's data loss drivel...

That FireWire issue was actually more closely tied to outdated firmware in Oxford911 firewire bridge chipsets. People who keep their peripherals firmware up-to-date had no problems, as I recall. I know that I didn't have any such problems.

I really enjoy RC, he's one of the best parts of TMO. Really, he is, he grasps for straws, intentionally misinterprets situations, and he calls us iLemmings! He's a hoot, really.

The fact that Mossberg continues to evangelize the Mac is really impressive and I hope will have some affect on all those who fancy themselves investors and read the WSJ. It would be nice for the Mac's market-share to creep up towards 10%.

"People who keep their peripherals firmware up-to-date had no problems, as I recall. I know that I didn't have any such problems."

Not only that, but most people know to disconnect or shut off their peripherals when you do a major system update/upgrade, as well as making sure you've got everything backed-up before you begin.

Oh, and another posted mentioned RC being an IT person? LMAO!!! A prepubescent zit faced troll who's only experience with females is digital/virtual working as someone in IT? Maybe when he graduates from Jr. High...

Seriously RC, you're outgunned. Hundreds of thousands read Mossberg's column, only hundreds read your silly FUD posts.

Mossberg > JOO.

[quote="Guest"]I had no trouble at all installing SP2. Maybe it is the installer not the installation?

Here's a quote from Mossberg's article "A significant minority of users have reported big problems with SP2."

Also, see http://www6.tomshardware.com/column/20050414/index.html

He's an IT guy who lost his job after his company switched to Macs, since they didn't need him to walk around and delete spyware and reinstall Windows anymore. That's why he has so much bloody time to troll the forums here.

it took me a few days to update to service pack 2, during which i had to reformat my comp a few times. until i was finally so fed up i gave up on it. but eventually after trying a few times, i managed to install it get the programs to work for my bro. i still prefer my mac. click, click everthing's done. like to setup a new LAN, its just click click. to add a bluetooth mouse, its just click click. to eject a thumb drive its just click.

now comparing that to pc, to set up a new LAN, i have to go to control panel, click on network connections, then click and select.......... and for a new bluetooth mouse, i have to go to contro panel, select bluetooth, and then........... or a thumbdrive where i have click safely remove thumbdrive and i have to select the thumbdrive click stop and then.......

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squintbro wrote:
I can understand why an IT person like RealityCheck would not like Macs.

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Guest wrote:
He's an IT guy who lost his job after his company switched to Macs, since they didn't need him to walk around and delete spyware and reinstall Windows anymore. That's why he has so much bloody time to troll the forums here.

If you already have a PC, why not just lose the deadbeat OS?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=udOU702VzI8