I wonder if the 7 machines I ordered (BTO thru a purchaser) last Thursday will be bumped up? Shipping time was estimated at 7-10 days when I ordered. Maybe it will be in the queue for the new hardware.

Sorry iLemmings no 3GHz for you. What a lame update, almost a year to overclock the 2.5GHz processor. No dual core and no PCIe graphics, expect continued sharp decline in Power Mac sales.

"making the entire Power Mac G5 product line dual processor"

The 1.8 Single is still available.

The prices haven't changed. What are you talking about??

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Sorry iLemmings no 3GHz for you. Also notice the 33% price increase in the base Power Mac to $2K. Since Apple Power Mac sales have collapsed, Apple strategy is to extract the maximum dollars from the Macbots who don't know any better.

Looks like the liquid cooling is still around for the high end machine.

"RealityCheck wrote:
Sorry iLemmings no 3GHz for you. Also notice the 33% price increase in the base Power Mac to $2K. Since Apple Power Mac sales have collapsed, Apple strategy is to extract the maximum dollars from the Macbots who don't know any better."

Not that you'd know it...except that macnut quoted RCs knee-jerk spewage before he could retract it.

I'm quoting it as well just to hammer the point.

Regardless, these machines are great. They're fast enough for me and I'm getting one as soon as I can.

A Reality Check is what he's been writing to exorcise his PC from the virus demons

RC, you need a little education on what "overclock" actually means. To quote WikiPedia, "Overclocking is the practice of making a component run at a higher clock speed than the manufacturer's specification. The idea is to increase performance for free or to exceed current performance limits, but this may come at the cost of stability." 2.7GHz IS IBM's spec for speed for these parts, so they are not being "overclocked". Also, the 2.7's won't be a cause for instability - we'll leave that for your Windoze box.

Why is it anti-MAC people even post here? A life is in order perhaps?

RC is right about this being a very small speed increase. At least the prices are the same. The big problem with these small updates are that it seems everyone gets way too excited when the Apple store is down for an update.
I'm sure Dell Computer does a 200 MHz speed increase on one of their systems, and it goes un-noticed. Apple has the same increase, and it brings moans from the collective masses that it's not enough.
We Mac users just need to relax a bit, since most of us don't use the fastest Powermac available anyway.

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What a lame update, almost a year to overclock the 2.5GHz processor.

As opposed to Microsoft, who is only a year away from releasing the software they said they'd release 2003, then 2004, then 2005? And this after stripping out one of the main selling points, WinFS, which they've been talking about since 1992 when it was supposed to debut in Cairo, circa 1994. I guess if Apple couple strip out something important from the PowerMac, say the microprocessor, then they could improve their ship dates too.

Maybe you should go to Ford web sites and tell them how much better Chevy is? Catholic web sites to expound on the virtues of Protestantism? Frend web sites to extoll the superiority of Germany? I wish you had been taught the Golden Rule while growing up, as that might have made you a more tolerant person. Possibly you believe in Microsoft's Golden Rule - "He who has the gold, makes the rules".

I see the boost of all the other components for the same price as a much bigger improvement. The viedo cards, frontside bus, optical drive, and hard drive are great increases! Besides I believe that Tiger will give it a huge speed boost by itself. If you want a 3ghz machine go buy a Dell, I want a well built, fast, well equipped machine so I would go with a G5. Clock speed is sooooooo overrated anyway! This new setup is gonna cook!

At the German apple store, the 2.0 GHz powermacs have PCI-X slots. Wonder which one is right, hopefully the German store.

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- "He who has the gold, makes the rules".

Unfortunately, that is usually the case. Be it Microsoft or others.

Jealous!

He's playing mind games. The only way to beat him is to not play.

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"making the entire Power Mac G5 product line dual processor"

The 1.8 Single is still available.

Thanks for the note. The story was corrected with the updated information.

Bryan
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TMO

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He's playing mind games. The only way to beat him is to not play.

The only way to beat him is with a lead pipe or a baseball bat. Being the non-violent type, I'll think about it, but I won't do it.

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I see the boost of all the other components for the same price as a much bigger improvement. The viedo cards, frontside bus, optical drive, and hard drive are great increases! Besides I believe that Tiger will give it a huge speed boost by itself. If you want a 3ghz machine go buy a Dell, I want a well built, fast, well equipped machine so I would go with a G5. Clock speed is sooooooo overrated anyway! This new setup is gonna cook!

hear hear. basically all the people that whine about the powermac g5 can go kiss my ass. i can say that with some confidence now. yes, apple risks some brand damage because of 'poorer' GPUs but i've come to terms with that now.

lets look at it:

1. dual 2.7ghz compared to dual 3.0ghz
who cares? look at the benchmarks apple posted on the dual 2.7ghz on multimedia processing

2. 512mb ram standard. no worries, just go to crucial.com and load it up to 1gb, 2gb, 4gb, whatever you can afford/whatever gets you off

3. not enough hard disk space? go buy that Lacie 1TB Raid - it's external firewire 800, so guess what, it's portable as well

and *drum roll* finally,

4a. GPU too slow? get an ATI radeon 9800 for about $200+ and use that instead of the 9600/9650 it comes with. sell the 9600/9650 on ebay. GPU still too slow? get your powermac g5 built-to-order with the nvidia 6800 ultra for $500. don't like nvidia? sell the 9600/9650 your g5 comes with and put that extra $500 to an ATI radeon x800 xt...

4b. if you are spending $2-$3k on a very high performance computer GPU is such a total non-issue, you can sort that out for a few hundred dollars if you are really concerned about it.

4c. i realised that GPU is just a nice handy tool for windoze fanboys to whine about the powerMac. i agree this is negative perception that can affect apple's bottom line so maybe apple should address this by puting in a radeon 9800 standard, to boost the image of the powermac g5 and garner more sales. but that is up to apple marketing, i have found my peace on this matter

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3. not enough hard disk space? go buy that Lacie 1TB Raid - it's external firewire 800, so guess what, it's portable as well

This reminds me, something that's been ignored by most people is that the internal SATA drives are now available up to 400 GB.

That means you can order this thing with 800 GB of internal space. I was someone who was hoping for more drive bays, but I have to say that short of that happening, this is pretty cool!

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Guest wrote:
I see the boost of all the other components for the same price as a much bigger improvement. The viedo cards, frontside bus, optical drive, and hard drive are great increases! Besides I believe that Tiger will give it a huge speed boost by itself. If you want a 3ghz machine go buy a Dell, I want a well built, fast, well equipped machine so I would go with a G5. Clock speed is sooooooo overrated anyway! This new setup is gonna cook!

hear hear. basically all the people that whine about the powermac g5 can go kiss my ass. i can say that with some confidence now. yes, apple risks some brand damage because of 'poorer' GPUs but i've come to terms with that now.

lets look at it:

1. dual 2.7ghz compared to dual 3.0ghz
who cares? look at the benchmarks apple posted on the dual 2.7ghz on multimedia processing

2. 512mb ram standard. no worries, just go to crucial.com and load it up to 1gb, 2gb, 4gb, whatever you can afford/whatever gets you off

3. not enough hard disk space? go buy that Lacie 1TB Raid - it's external firewire 800, so guess what, it's portable as well

and *drum roll* finally,

4a. GPU too slow? get an ATI radeon 9800 for about $200+ and use that instead of the 9600/9650 it comes with. sell the 9600/9650 on ebay. GPU still too slow? get your powermac g5 built-to-order with the nvidia 6800 ultra for $500. don't like nvidia? sell the 9600/9650 your g5 comes with and put that extra $500 to an ATI radeon x800 xt...

4b. if you are spending $2-$3k on a very high performance computer GPU is such a total non-issue, you can sort that out for a few hundred dollars if you are really concerned about it.

4c. i realised that GPU is just a nice handy tool for windoze fanboys to whine about the powerMac. i agree this is negative perception that can affect apple's bottom line so maybe apple should address this by puting in a radeon 9800 standard, to boost the image of the powermac g5 and garner more sales. but that is up to apple marketing, i have found my peace on this matter

well, two more things:

5. tiger mac os 10.4 with quicktime 7 and avc/h.264

6. one is free to use a Dell LCD or whatever with the PowerMac g5 ;-p

Every post from RC is another point affirming Apple's success. Thanks RC!

Have ordered my 2.7 but also ordered the X800 to be fitted. Now wonder if the extra money (compared to the then standard 9600) is going to be worth it now that the 9650 is standard. Anyway have any ideas on comparison of the two cards?