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Apple likes to pretend they come up with stuff... OS Search, User switching to name a few.. Then the others which they couldn't fool (late to market) people into thinking they invented, they just rename to fool people. Airport Extreme. It's wireless you dumb idiots.. Firewire... Stupid...

I don't want to hear about the stupid GUI stuff... That credit belongs to Xerox.

If Xerox came up with the GUI then MS owes them big time, except they didn't they had a few prototype ideas, including the use of the mouse, but they hadn't developed the concepts of folders, clicks, double-clicks, that we depend on with both platforms. Apple took the nacent technology and made it into something people could use. Firewire is an Apple technology, while Apple made wireless and USB something the home user could deploy easily. Apple also created one of the first consumer digital cameras, the first cheap laser printer, and easy-to-use local networking. Apple was also one of the first companies to add in the modem, flat-screen monitors, etc.
Apple has invented very little, but it has made huge advances like DTP, networking, wireless, and plug-n-play not only part of Apple, but something that even Windows users demand.
It's not that MS hasn't come up with any ideas, its that MS ideas often only enhance Windows. Apple's ideas very often change the computing paradigm, even if only slightly.
And yeah, OS search not new, but a search system as easy and as inclusive as Spotlight is very cool.

We get it, you like Windows, Good for you, get a Windows sticker, put it on your bike, put Bill's picture over your bed, join a fan club. Just please shut the hell up.

[quote="Jonkun227"][quote="Guest"]Airport Extreme. It's wireless you dumb idiots.. Firewire... Stupid...

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Let's see, my D-Link wireless router is called something like "D-Link Wireless Extreme G". Yeah, that sounds a lot better. Apple didn't claim to invent it. They just branded their own packaging of it. This is nothing new. Just like Coca-Cola didn't invent cola, they just branded a variety of it.

Firewire. iLink (Sony's monicker, I believe). IEEE 1394. Take your pick. Again, no claim was made to the invention of it (where's Al Gore when we need him?), they just came up with a more convenient name for an existing technology.

Seriously, get a grip. If you want to debate things, say something with meaning. "But..but..but..Apple can't use 802.11G! They didn't invent it!" All whine, no substance.

Lol, dumb response from a dumb apple user. I never said they couldn't use it. I said they rename it so it appears they created it. They fool people... Which is wrong to do...

But that doesn't stop steve jobs, I won't even start with all of the crap he has done to hard working PC's. How come you lame mac users never comment on that? Heh? Lame! Bill gates has done more for the world, africa in particular, than anyone, and what has steve jobs done? Nothing. Useless .. You get a grip... Come to terms with reality... MACS will never but the 2 percent usage number... Deal with windows... Just because security needs to be put into windows components before they are released, doesn't mean that apple invented search.... If there is only 1 mac on lets say ever 20 subnet masks, you are not going to have problems with hackers.

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Oops - caught me napping. Let's say that they rose to power through monopoly tendencies

Let's say you sound very stupid. That makes no sense. They rose to power because they had a better product than apple, and the company wasn't dropping acid all day long. They were building relationships with legitimate businesses, and working to advance computing, and creating a great working environment, not attacking developers, and treating anyone who wasn't a programmer, like a peice of dirt. Steve jobs = less than human, that's why he isn't knighted, and bill gates is.

I love all the Windows apologists who feel the need to troll our forums and "set us straight". It's a HOOT!

To quote Jerry Seinfeld (Speaking to George Costanza):
"Just the fact that you oppose this makes me believe we're on to something"

It's very slow... Figures.. Hey guys ever heard of AMD or Intel? They make the best hardware? Anyone? Nah, as long as my window is pretty, it doesn't matter...

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I love all the Windows apologists who feel the need to troll our forums and "set us straight". It's a HOOT!

To quote Jerry Seinfeld (Speaking to George Costanza):
"Just the fact that you oppose this makes me believe we're on to something"

You are begging for hope... Give up.

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Everyone can wish and say that he is wrong and ......
But we all know that he is actually right, that is why microsoft is number one, and they will stay number one for a very long time.

Hate it or love it but the truth is the truth.

The reason Bill Gates is rich is because he's got killer lawyers, not because he's got a killer OS.

$129 for NEW features, increased productivity sounds great to most.

The ones who desperately defend Winhose are IT guys who will lose their jobs (no pun) if they admit MAC OS superiority.

By the way MS freaks, if all you have to spend is $129 every year for an upgrade as opposed to a new hard drive and the pain of installing XP SP2 every other week, plus support, plus IT, plus "geek squad", plus, plus, plus; I prefer $129 a year.

By the way, wasn't the latest Windows commercial made on a MAC?! Ohhhh yeah!

B-Bye!

Begging for hope? Dumb? Lemming? Posers? Computer-illiterate?

If you really were the smart computer users you were, the snobbish smart chips you claim to be, you wouldn't be wasting your time on an OS-wannabe.

You'd be using Unix, programming all your own apps, and communicating only via text.

Guess the #@!$ what? That's what the Mac OS is based on. It's got ten years on Winbloze in terms of network compatibility and security. It's got even more years in terms of time and energy put into its predessesors by programmers that cared.

Windows? You ain't got $#!% to talk about except your dominance in the cell blocks known as office cubicles. The day you realize the box you're stuck in is the day you understand just how ass-backwards your OS is.

And i'm not even talking from a fucking mac.

So grow up. Open your bedroom door, go play outside with your friends, and next time you hear about some virus getting out there, look at your fucking OS. The next time you hear about that virus being squelched, thank the programmers who's roots are in UNIX for pulling your lame OS out of the water.

Again, and again, and again, and again.

By the way, wasn't the latest Windows commercial made on a MAC?! Ohhhh yeah!

Yes it was, that's what OSX is for, designing. Webistes and commercials... Good job! Oh, and hosting .mil websites because the govt. feels bad about letting MS get away with antitrust.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I love it. Bill Gates took notice of the super small market share guy.

Go

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Lol, dumb response from a dumb apple user. I never said they couldn't use it. I said they rename it so it appears they created it. They fool people... Which is wrong to do...

Damn! Did you know this Big Mac thing is really just a big hamburger!?

They fooled you, didn't they? Stupid McDonalds, going and re-naming things.

Seriously, this is a problem for you?

ipod dominance is here to stay, billy microshaft can't touch it! No one can...they are really just completly, BLOWN AWAY!!! You could say the ipod is the Dirty Harry of music players. I imagine it's not fun to stare down a .44 Magnums barrel. The Union of the Mac is on the climb, movin up it's gonna race, gonna break through the borderline... Mac OS X=Unix=open source=lots and lots of 3rd party software. Microsucks=proprietary=closed and controled=buggy and bloated=lots of mostly sorry useless garbage sofware=I'm switchin to a Mac....Hahahhaha. All billy wronghorn can do now is push his "not even released yet" game system, and then he will be buttin heads with SONY! BTW, Mac has a 4% NEW marketshare, that includes big business orders. If you looked at the home INSTALLED base, I would put it at around 15% or higher. Winblow Zealots be afraid, very afraid.

See, you are a little man (woman?). Here I am having a debate and here you go resorting to name calling. Classic Windows user on a Mac posting forum - dumb ass.

Yes, I agree Microsoft did the right business thing and align themselves with another monopoly - IBM (at that time). Good for them - they have the most popular OS - whoopee! But they also put a strangle hold on hardware makers - Monopoly tendencies. Again, I'm not debating if it was right or wrong. That's just how it happened.

So if you can't admit that Windows has weakness and the Mac has strengths then you aren't really worth talking too. As I am looking for common ground. All you are looking to do is argue.

I mean come on man. Windows is going to be around for a while. Apple taking 0.5% of the market isn't really enough for you to come and post that the Apple is never going to take over the market. I think we are all aware of that. But yes, go repost something quoting me. Call me names. Whatever it is you do.

For now you are dismissed as I am done with you. Run along!

Billy Microsuck's HUGE Estate was designed on a...yep, you guessed it, a Mac.

Apple did not invent Wireless, but were the first to the market with it, introduced with the iBook in MacWorld NY '99 (also when Halo was announced - as a Mac game - before MS bought Bungie). They are using Lucent technology, and seem to always have some nifty wireless options I really haven't seen elsewhere (Wireless Distribution System, 1 Line ISP, modem for internet, AirTunes) etc.

Firewire was an apple technology, or helped developed by Apple and was adopted as the IEEE standard 1394 about the same time that USB was around, which was developed by Intel, one of the reasons apple pushed Firewire so much, and 1394b is so fast... Apple and Intel had a big fight over USB 2 around 2000-01?, and it looks like only in 2004 did apple bow and allow USB2, simply because firewire lost the small periphals game - and iPods were gong to go USB2 to appease windows users.

But then again the original silver Apple base stations were small AMD 586's with a lucent SkyLink card in them... so everyone who actually works and roams between the windows and the mac worlds learns of strengths and weaknesses of them both.

Everyone go back and look at the porche argument above. cause it is the best paralell for the Apple Microsoft debate. (well BMW)

Both Apple and BMW (I know, not porche) have under 5% market share, both make some of the "ultimate" products in their feild, set the curve for the design and style in their fields, are significantly more expensive than the generic equivilents.

There is a demand for a big ford F150 to go haul rocks, (Excel / powerpoint) or for the little focus to drag the kids around town (email), but when you want to go zipping by everyone else and go take on the curves, you need a machine designed for it. And both Apple and BMW make those products for that need. the whole "iPod Your BMW" makes complete sense.

And anyways, what would you rather have in your garage and desk - A ford and an Dell? I think not.

John Willis
Apple Certified Technician

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This site must be hosted on Xserve

It's very slow... Figures.. Hey guys ever heard of AMD or Intel? They make the best hardware? Anyone? Nah, as long as my window is pretty, it doesn't matter...

A computer doesn't have to be exceptionally fast to be a reliable server. In terms of raw speed as it manifests itself in Internet services provided by the machine, there's probably not much of a difference between Xserves and Intel-based servers. So what accounts for the present slowness? Hmm... here's an idea... MAYBE SERVERS ARE SLOWER AT SOME TIMES THAN AT OTHERS. Ever thought of that, dumbass?

Oh, and for the record, Netcraft says macobserver.com is running FreeBSD, which only runs on x86-style machines. (http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://macobserver.com)

Walmart is #1 too, So I guess you and your family work and shop there for all your stuff, especially your computer and your intellect. McDonalds fits your mold aswell, but only on special occasions, like the release of longborn, right? MUhahhahahaha. loser.

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Firewire. iLink (Sony's monicker, I believe). IEEE 1394. Take your pick. Again, no claim was made to the invention of it (where's Al Gore when we need him?), they just came up with a more convenient name for an existing technology.

Apple not only claims to have invented FireWire; it actually did! I don't see how there could be any confusion about that at all:

http://www.1394ta.org/Technology/index.htm
http://www.pcworld.com/howto/article/0,aid,14371,pg,2,00.asp
http://www.wave-report.com/tutorials/firewire.htm
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/apple_firewire_award_08_22_01.htm

Also notice that person's command of the English language, which clearly shows them to be intellectually superior as a Windows user.

/sarcasm

"Apple likes to pretend they come up with stuff... OS Search, User switching to name a few.. Then the others which they couldn't fool (late to market) people into thinking they invented, they just rename to fool people. Airport Extreme. It's wireless you dumb idiots.. Firewire... Stupid...
I don't want to hear about the stupid GUI stuff... That credit belongs to Xerox"

Lord help 'em...

http://www.firewirestuff.com/whatis.html

"A Thumbnail History of the IEEE 1394 Standard

The 1394 digital link standard was conceived in 1986 by technologists at Apple Computer, who chose the trademark 'FireWire', in reference to its speeds of operation and the thermal "noise" created in the connections when the highest speeds were implimented. The first specification for this link was completed in 1987. It was adopted in 1995 as the IEEE 1394 standard at about the same time that Sony introduced its trademarked iLink concept as a significant varient of the standard.

A large number of IEEE 1394 products are now available including digital camcorders with the FireWire and iLink 1394 connection, IEEE 1394 integrated and stand alone digital video editing systems, digital VCRs, digital still and video cameras, digital audio players and a wealth of other infrastructure products such as connectors, cables, test equipment, software tool kits, and emulation models.

Originally, Apple FireWire and Sony iLink lead the way for the development of this connectivity standard. Sony and Apple were the significant leaders and developers of the 1394 technology. The IEEE 1394 Organization has adopted a joint standardization of these specifications from all sources, Apple, Compaq, Sony and many others, so now the standard is fully integrated with these variants. FireWire and iLink may be considered a "super set" of the IEEE 1394 standard, but there is currently no practical difference between these brand names and the IEEE 1394 specification standard."

Apple and Sony co-developed the IEEE1394 standard...which is why FireWire has been standard on Macs since 1998 (It's stil not "standard" on many PCs--you have to special order it).

And of course, Apple didn't invent WiFi. No one ever said they did. What they DID do was make it brutally simple to set up network-wise and access through one's computer.

Yeesh! Tiger must really have Billy's bloomers in a bunch--so many of his little minions got the call to come over here and p*ss on the parade for the last few days. Laughable, actually.

Jonkun227:

Firewire indeed came from Apple Laboratories. They invented it. What most people don't know is that they gave the technnology away for free and is being overseen by this standards monitoring organization (IEEE) for anyone to use. They then gave it a gereric name if IEEE 1394. Apple branded the technology as Firewire that they license to any manufacturer for the use of the name. Later on, Apple withdrew the fees for the right to use the name Firewire.

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Anonymous Coward wrote:
So comments about the blue screen are actaully comments about win 98, a nearly 10 year old OS.

Windows == instability / Loss of productivity.
Mac == Brain Candy / Not just for art wonks anymore.

Let's see…

2005
- 1998
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7years
Umm, you are off by about 3 years is that the math bug at work in you Pentagram, errr, Pentium powered Windrone 98 machine?

Inadvertent double post--sorry.

Jonkun227:

Firewire indeed came from Apple Laboratories. They invented it. What most people don't know is that they gave the technnology away for free and is being overseen by this standards monitoring organization (IEEE) for anyone to use. They then gave it a gereric name if IEEE 1394. Apple branded the technology as Firewire that they license to any manufacturer for the use of the name. Later on, Apple withdrew the fees for the right to use the name Firewire.

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Apple likes to pretend they come up with stuff... OS Search, User switching to name a few.. Then the others which they couldn't fool (late to market) people into thinking they invented, they just rename to fool people. Airport Extreme. It's wireless you dumb idiots.. Firewire... Stupid...

I don't want to hear about the stupid GUI stuff... That credit belongs to Xerox.

There's very little in the way of new discoveries under the IT sun. That mouse that made the Xerox Star so useful....was invented for a mainframe before you were born.

I'm a recent convert to Mac having beaten my head bloody with the various Windows flavors (2.0 through 2000). I don't think my user experience could get any better than Mac OS X. And after the wrestling match I had with XP this past weekend on the better half's laptop, I'm most eternally grateful I didn't "go there".

Oh and another bit of trivia...MS-DOS was written as a C/PM knockoff and not by Microsoft either. Microsoft bought the Seattle-area company that wrote it because they couldn't get an OS to fly for the original IBM PC. Had Digital Research has the cajones they could've sued M'soft for copyright infringement (sounds familiar). Redmond doesn't innovate, they copy. And poorly I might add. Yes my Mac OS X has a BSD heart but Apple has made a much better IMNSHO user interface and still retained the flexibility and power of Unix.

Jonkun227:

Firewire indeed came from Apple Laboratories. They invented it. What most people don't know is that they gave the technnology away for free and is being overseen by this standards monitoring organization (IEEE) for anyone to use. They then gave it a gereric name if IEEE 1394. Apple branded the technology as Firewire that they license to any manufacturer for the use of the name. Later on, Apple withdrew the fees for the right to use the name Firewire

Jonkun227:

Firewire indeed came from Apple Laboratories. They invented it. What most people don't know is that they gave the technnology away for free and is being overseen by this standards monitoring organization (IEEE) for anyone to use. They then gave it a gereric name if IEEE 1394. Apple branded the technology as Firewire that they license to any manufacturer for the use of the name. Later on, Apple withdrew the fees for the right to use the name Firewire.

Jonkun227:

Firewire indeed came from Apple Laboratories. They invented it. What most people don't know is that they gave the technnology away for free and is being overseen by this standards monitoring organization (IEEE) for anyone to use. They then gave it a gereric name if IEEE 1394. Apple branded the technology as Firewire that they license to any manufacturer for the use of the name. Later on, Apple withdrew the fees for the right to use the name Firewire.

"Windows == Stability / Productivity.
Mac == Eye Candy / Peice of useless art on a table."

For one: The Blue Screen of Death isn't gone. It's now just the Windows NT style Blue Screen, instead of the old Win9x style BSOD.

Another: Take a Mac and a WIndows box, run similar tasks on them (Photoshop, games, movie rendering, etc.), WITHOUT rebooting or logging off and back in. See which one goes down first? I'll bet cash that it'll be the PC first.

Granted, XP has improved over past versions of Windows. By the time Windows XP was out, however, Mac OS X was already out. Yes, it had its problems, but didn't Windows? How many CPU cycles are lost on your machine, each day, to various antivirus related tasks? How long does it take you to send an email? And, if you aren't using any antivirus solution why? Even Microsoft says you should.

Your implying that Macs aren't stable is dead wrong (it's also quite funny that you think of Windows as the most productive OS out there, regardless of what you're trying to do on it). By implying this, you're implying that FreeBSD is instable (in case you didn't realize, that's what Macs run nowadays, under all that "eye candy"). You could also be implying that UNIX is instable. And all of that is dead wrong. Maybe YOU'RE the one that should update their OS.

Your problem with all the "eye candy" should also be directed to Microsoft as well. They have created "Avalon" (you can see the same technology today on any Mac running OS X 10.3.0 or later).

You're precious Republican Microsoft isn't going anywhere, but it won't remain in power forever.

I used to be a Windows Zealot, just like you. Then this miraculous thing called "Growing Up" happened. I opened my eyes. I tried Linux, and I liked it. I then bought an iBook for simple tasks (like email, taking notes in class, web browsing), and I fell in love with the platform. Soon I was doing EVERYTHING on that little iBook. Now I've got my PowerBook, and I couldn't be happier.

Just a question: Have you ever really used a Mac? Not just for 5 or 10 minutes, but done a full day's worth of work on it, with an open mind? Don't think so...

--ApplePenguin

Jonkun227:

Firewire indeed came from Apple Laboratories. They invented it. What most people don't know is that they gave the technnology away for free and is being overseen by this standards monitoring organization (IEEE) for anyone to use. They then gave it a gereric name if IEEE 1394. Apple branded the technology as Firewire that they license to any manufacturer for the use of the name. Later on, Apple withdrew the fees for the right to use the name Firewire.

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I once heard that Bill Gates uses a Mac as his primary computer. Also, I think the windows graphic was designed on a mac. As well, Phillippe Starck, who designed a mouse for microsoft, designed it on a Mac.

It IS about choice. Not "choice" of retailler, but choice of OS and computer experience.

wouldn't surprise me. Often, an oppressor is a closeted member of the same group.

also, there's a new ad campaign from them. It was all created on a Mac.

--Applepenguin

I worked at Apple, and as FireWire was being developed (by Apple) the FireWire group was trying to convince the rest of the company to use it, but it didn't make it into a product for a while!!

More on Michael Teener, Apple's FireWire guy at:
http://www.dvshop.ca/dvcafe/museum/dvmuseum2.html

But it's an industry standard (note that he chaired the committee to get it approved as one) even if it did originate from a group at Apple, and you can get it on PC's and other devices.

It's a bit similar to ZeroConf/Bonjour/Rendezvous, where Stuart Cheshire, who had been thinking of recreating an AppleTalk-like lookup/configuration system for IP, joined Apple to do so, developed it and also headed the standards committee. The result is an "open" standard which makes life better for everyone, even Windows users....

Jonkun227:

Firewire indeed came from Apple Laboratories. They invented it. What most people don't know is that they gave the technnology away for free and is being overseen by this standards monitoring organization (IEEE) for anyone to use. They then gave it a gereric name if IEEE 1394. Apple branded the technology as Firewire that they license to any manufacturer for the use of the name. Later on, Apple withdrew the fees for the right to use the name Firewire.

That "super-small" share may look more "super" than "small" a few years from now.....

But even if it doesn't, Apple will still be around making machines that are beautiful, functional, a delight to use, and more useful and usable than anything from the Wintel world.

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Airport Extreme. It's wireless you dumb idiots.. Firewire... Stupid...

Let's see, my D-Link wireless router is called something like "D-Link Wireless Extreme G". Yeah, that sounds a lot better. Apple didn't claim to invent it. They just branded their own packaging of it. This is nothing new. Just like Coca-Cola didn't invent cola, they just branded a variety of it.

Firewire. iLink (Sony's monicker, I believe). IEEE 1394. Take your pick. Again, no claim was made to the invention of it (where's Al Gore when we need him?), they just came up with a more convenient name for an existing technology.

Seriously, get a grip. If you want to debate things, say something with meaning. "But..but..but..Apple can't use 802.11G! They didn't invent it!" All whine, no substance.

Actually, he didn't claim he invented it. He claimed he supported it. Isn't it wonderful how we can trust the media nowadays?

PCs came out with USB first (Intel invented it), but Apple was the first to really use it. Same with 3.5" floppy drives, CD-ROM drives, FireWire, FireWire 800, Gigabit Ethernet in consumer machines, wide-screen laptops, Zero-conf networking (was called Rendezvous, now it's Bonjour), etc. (Intel didn't invent all of these, but Apple really pushed them forward).

-ApplePenguin

Jonkun227:

Firewire indeed came from Apple Laboratories. They invented it. What most people don't know is that they gave the technnology away for free and is being overseen by this standards monitoring organization (IEEE) for anyone to use. They then gave it a gereric name if IEEE 1394. Apple branded the technology as Firewire that they license to any manufacturer for the use of the name. Later on, Apple withdrew the fees for the right to use the name Firewire.

Jonkun227:

Firewire indeed came from Apple Laboratories. They invented it. What most people don't know is that they gave the technnology away for free and is being overseen by this standards monitoring organization (IEEE) for anyone to use. They then gave it a gereric name if IEEE 1394. Apple branded the technology as Firewire that they license to any manufacturer for the use of the name. Later on, Apple withdrew the fees for the right to use the name Firewire.

"(Nearly) everybody complains about Windows, but few complain about Mac."

The funny thing with mac people, is they can't complain about their computers. They'd be chastised by the rest of the artsy community. What? You said something bad about a mac?! Blasphemey! It's be too much fodder for everyone else because macs are never supposed to break! Never ever ever ever ever.

"Presently Switchers become Mac "cult" members adding to Apple's permanent installed user base."

This is exactly what I'm talking about. mac users are so serious about their mac being the best computer ever that they can't see that it's actually not that great and in fact PC's are cheaper, faster, more reliable, and offer a greater software library (PC does NOT mean Windows).

"Microsoft is dominate because of a monopoly. That is how it rose to power and that is why it's the majority"

Ahahahaha. A monopoly over what? A free internet browser. Hell yeah, they were sure banking off of that. Specially with all the court cases they won...man, they were looting people left and right.

"So quit trolling the boards and accept that some people like the Mac OS and the iPod and lots of people don't like Windows but put up with it because they don't know any better."

Actually, the state of the world exists as 95% percent of the population likes Windows and not mac. So maybe you should stop trolling ("because they don't know any better" comment).

"Yep, moron, I saw that TODAY on a classmate's brand new Dell notebook running XP...yes, it was a BLUE screen with some letters on it...and what did they say?? Dunno, something like "dumping memory to disk" and so on...YES, it was a BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH on your SOLID, STABLE Winblows XP..! So much for stupidity..."

Your friend needs to get his hardware checked out. I work in any environment of 130+ computers all running Windows XP. The only blue screens we have are when hardware fails. I.e. power supplies, hard drives, memory. Blame Dell, not the OS.

I always here that people buy PCs because they're cheaper. Windows ain't cheaper, the Dell is. So why is Bill taking the credit for the large martet share??

Eh, sorry about that.

Let's talk about other things that Apple invented.

Hmm, at least no one claims that Microsoft invented QuickDraw GX, OpenDoc, CyberDog, PowerTalk, eWorld, the Newton, MacTV, the Lisa, the Apple ///, iTools, the Pippin, HyperCard, KaleidaScript, CommonPoint, Object Pascal, Dylan, GeoPort, Apple Desktop Bus, or the eMate 300.

Actually I don't care if Apple does have a small market share, I dont' care if MS copies OS X's features, I don't care that some PC owners are negative about Macs, I don't care that there are more programs for the PC. All I care about is that I have a computer/OS/program combination that I can use and enjoy and that the Mac provides.

I use a PC at work as a web developer, a high end multi-monitor workstation. It is an ongoing source of frustration and stress. I run all the same programs at home on my iMac and that is a totally stress free experience. My home PC is reserved for what it is best at, playing games. That about sums it up for me.

""It's their (player), only their one music store, only their device,"

Except that the iPod is compatible with music stores other than the iTMS. Sorry, Bill.

"What we're doing is providing choices. So it's like the Apple computer versus the PC. With the PC you can buy from many companies so you get cheaper prices, you get more variety and here with music devices we're coming in with the same. "

No. Windows became the dominant operating system because Microsoft took away choice. It's why Windows is still the dominant operating system. Gates said it himself; if you want access to the broadest range of software, then you have NO CHOICE but to use Windows.

Now he wants consumers to have NO CHOICE but to use Windows Media compatible MP3 players on Windows PCs. But luckily, the iTMS is so good and the competition is so poor, that people aren't going to lured away by Microsoft's offers of compatibility with a wide range of inferior music services.

Sorry, folks. I guess Apple did invent FireWire. My mistake. I thought they had simply been the first to adopt it. We're going back a few years here and the details get fuzzy.

Still, that makes the argument originally raised even funnier: he complains that Apple makes people think they invented the devices because they use special names. Little did he (or I, admittedly) realize that Apple really did invent it.

Thanks for the correction from the informed, and the laugh from the uninformed.


- Jon

Actually, Apple did invent firewire.

"You can tell if it is a Mac user, they all have a little incision on the forhead, it's their USB lobotomy plug(that's why there's only one button on Mac mouses). The only reason Mac as a little gain lately is because they're rinding on a FreeBSD based OS, not a MAC based OS, So trendy candy colored Box are nice ..."

You can tell if it's a Windows zealot, they're all blind to reality and live in a fantasy world where two-button mice aren't compatible with Macs, Apple's success is due to anyone but Apple, and Macs still come in candy coloured cases.

Sorry, but Macs CAN use two-button mice, Apple's success is due to Apple's own efforts, and Macs don't come in candy coloured cases anymore. Welcome to the year 2005. Did you enjoy your time trapped in the 1990's?


"If Apple where half brainy as they think they'd find more outsiders to help push their things forward"

Apple's products are getting pushed forward. Compared to last year, iPod and Mac sales have exploded.

"But we all know that he is actually right, that is why microsoft is number one, and they will stay number one for a very long time. "

Well, he is right about Apple having a super-small market share and getting all the praise. That has to have Gates very worried, considering that Microsoft has a super-big market share and praise for them is evaporating while Apple's market share is growing.

And Microsoft is #1 because they unfarily force out the competition, leaving consumers with virtually no choice. Think I'm wrong? They're convicted of it.

"Just take your applications and stick them in (a Mac) and see if they run.". What a stupid comentary. He talks like a computer novice.

Truth of the matter is, at least for myself, stability with Windows XP isn't quite as much an issue as it used to be. I put together my PC with pieces parts all over the internet and it rarely, if ever, crashes (although I use it a lot less often now that I bought an iMac). Once (if) Longhorn comes out, I don't think stability will remain a major selling point for MacOS (at least initially). If you consider Longhorn a seperate entity from Windows, its initial market share will be similar to MacOS meaning less people will target it for attacks. Yes, yes, I know MacOS is a very stable OS, but it's small market share also helps protect it. I mean, if you're gonna write malware, it'll be more profitable to target 90% of the population. My guess is that the majority of the Windows population will be relatively slow to adopt Longhorn, seeing as how they're comfortable with what they're using.

I can't believe nobody has made notice about the "innovative" Centrino technology being peddled by PC vendors. When they came out, they called it new.

New?

How do you call wireless technology new when it had already been out on the market commercialized for two years? What's so new about that? New because one chip does it? Well duh, it's was still running just plain ol 802.11b wireless that we had running on our campus for two years before the first Centrino showed up.

Give me a break. Talk about being LAST to the market.