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First on TMO - Apple Exec: Shuffle Grabs 58% of Flash Player Market; What Cell Phone Threat?

by , 6:45 AM EDT, May 4th, 2005

On the market less than six months, Apple's iPod shuffle has grabbed a 58% share of the flash-based digital media player market, up from 43% in February, company chief financial officer Peter Oppenheimer has told Merrill Lynch analyst Steven Milunovich in a recent interview.

In a report to clients released Wednesday and obtained by The Mac Observer, Mr. Oppenheimer said the Apple executive told him preliminary March results from research marketing firm NPD showed the shuffle's market share rose from 43% in February to 58% in March, what Mr. Milunovich characterized as "a stunning figure."

Mr. Oppenheimer reportedly said Apple was "supply-constrained in March and will be interested to see the April (sales) data." Mr. Milunovich said he was told by the exec that "Apple isn't feeling competitive heat yet" in the digital media device market from the likes of Creative, Sony, iRiver and others.

The Apple CFO reportedly told Mr. Milunovich NPD numbers also showed Apple with a 90% market share in hard disk-based players -- such as its iPod and iPod mini -- while its iTunes music store market share was above 70% in March. In Japan, Apple's said it controls 40% of the market with its iPod player, but gave no evidence as to where their numbers came from.

Representatives of NPD were not immediately available to confirm the numbers from Mr. Oppenheimer. As for Apple's numbers of market share for online music sales, Apple is calculating it's own market share number based on its knowledge of downloads from its iTMS and subtracting from the total number of online music service downloads reported weekly by Nielsen/SoundScan.

Cell phone threat minimal, exec says

Mr. Oppenheimer said Apple "doesn't appear concerned" about the future threat from cellular phones that play music.

"(Apple) management argued that iPod will remain the best way to manage and listen to music with MP3 capability in handsets more complementary than a replacement," Mr. Milunovich wrote. "The negatives of music on a handset include a worse user interface and limited battery life," he said he was told.

Mr. Oppenheimer said he "doesn't foresee problems working with (cellular) carriers," to employ iPod features in mobile phones.

The Wall Street analyst said he expects "wireless and video capability" in iPods before the Christmas buying season, but gave no indication if Mr. Oppenheimer hinted of such a product or not. "Our guess is that iPod will run short video clips," he wrote. Apple's long time policy has been to not discuss un-announced products.

Mac TV spots on the horizon?

Mr. Milunovich did not say he was told so specifically, but wrote to clients that "Macs may be more advertised" on television in the U.S. in the near future. The Wall Street analyst said "we look for coming Mac ads to aid the halo effect."

Mr. Milunovich reiterated his 'Buy' rating on Apple stock (AAPL) with a price target of US$51 per share.

"We believe Apple's emerging consumer franchise can grow earnings and cash flows," he wrote. "Apple’s earnings growth could have upside surprises due to Apple’s emerging strategic position in the digital home."

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Close Name:allanimal Posts: 28 Joined: 18 Apr 2005
Subject: 58%

58% isn't too shabby, considering it is a market they just entered that was well established before they entered.
Boy am I glad I ignored the RC's of the time (way back when) and bought that Apple stock. If I knew I would see 350% growth, I would have bought more!

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Close Name:Tiger Posts: 940 Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Subject: not from current model cell phones...

that's for sure.

But I was at CompUSA last night and a young Japanese gentleman was there at the service desk and he had what I believe is one of the coolest looking devices I've ever seen. It was about the size of a box of 12 pencils, made of black and chrome, and when the service manager asked him about it, he said it was his cell phone, mp3player, and digital camcorder! It fit in the palm of his hand, but what had to be the lens was also 1/3 of it. This thing was unbelievable. It even had a speakerphone on it.

You can't buy that in this country...yet. I know some phones take digital movies, but the quality is awful. This thing is a full blown camcorder. (Thank goodness or we'd have people using the camcorders while driving!)

So, rock on Shuffle while you can (I have mine!). The ride may be short.

Close Name:fartheststar Posts: 213 Joined: 04 Jan 2004
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that's for sure.

But I was at CompUSA last night and a young Japanese gentleman was there at the service desk and he had what I believe is one of the coolest looking devices I've ever seen. It was about the size of a box of 12 pencils, made of black and chrome, and when the service manager asked him about it, he said it was his cell phone, mp3player, and digital camcorder! It fit in the palm of his hand, but what had to be the lens was also 1/3 of it. This thing was unbelievable. It even had a speakerphone on it.

You can't buy that in this country...yet. I know some phones take digital movies, but the quality is awful. This thing is a full blown camcorder. (Thank goodness or we'd have people using the camcorders while driving!)

So, rock on Shuffle while you can (I have mine!). The ride may be short.


I think the audience for something like that will be minimal. Usually multi-use devices don't do much well at all.

Close Name:Stormbringer Posts: 28 Joined: 13 Apr 2005
Subject: cell and mp3?

Usually devices like that don't do any one thing well. Why would I want all that stuff shoved into one handheld device.

But then I don't even carry a cell phone.

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Close Name:Stormbringer Posts: 28 Joined: 13 Apr 2005
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Call me all the time to fix their computers. They just have to find out where I'm currently fixing some other piece of crap.

Stormbringer

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Close Name:jimothy Posts: 581 Joined: 04 Jun 2004
Subject: Proof positive!

You know what this means, don't you? The world is full of iLemmings!

-- jimothy, proud iLemming since 1980

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Close Name:jimothy Posts: 581 Joined: 04 Jun 2004
Subject: Humorless

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This "joke" of manipulating another reader's comments is played out, juvenile, and humorless. Can we move past it, please?

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Close Name:Mace Posts: 9163 Joined: 07 Aug 2003
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Even so, I feel Apple should at some point either release a 256 MBytes iPod shuffle or work with Sandisk or Lexar to come out with one, at a price point of $49. My take is this would happen in this coming Christmas.

Close Name:Engine Joe Posts: 412 Joined: 29 Jun 2004
Subject: Re: No Really

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These iPods/Macs/Apple Fanatics/iLemmings are played out, juvenile, and humorless. Can we move past it, please?


Yes. You could stop wasting your time (and, by extension, ours) on these boards.

Close Name:Billy K Posts: 297 Joined: 06 May 2004
Subject: Cheap Shuffle

I bet the price of flash memory will continue to drop, production will continue to ramp up, and the 512 shuffle's price will drop anyway. Maybe not to $49, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it hit $79.

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Even so, I feel Apple should at some point either release a 256 MBytes iPod shuffle or work with Sandisk or Lexar to come out with one, at a price point of $49. My take is this would happen in this coming Christmas.

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Close Name:Biff Posts: 1479 Joined: 08 Apr 2004
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These iPods/Macs/Apple Fanatics/iLemmings are played out, juvenile, and humorless. Can we move past it, please?


Yes. You could stop wasting your time (and, by extension, ours) on these boards.

Yeah and my time too! It's valuable! That's why I'm posting on a mac news message board in the middle of the day! Oh wait I don't actually care. I just wanted to contribute to the length of this quote.

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Close Name:coaten Posts: 2972 Joined: 10 Oct 2001
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An earlier post regarding the popularity, or lack thereof, with regards to multi-function devices is on the money.

I observe consumer trends closely. It's part of my job. One thing that people tend to shy away from is any product that appears complicated to use. Regardless of whether a multi-function device is or is not difficult to use does not matter, the perception among a public already facing enough complexity in their modern lifestyle is that more functions equals more to learn and master and, even more challenging, is figuring out how such a product dovetails with the spontaneous kind of events for which it is so often designed for.

This explains in part the popularity of the Shuffle. It does just one thing. It does it very well. It is inexpensive. People respond to that. Switch it on, it works. No-brainer. Commpare this to the complexity of turning on a mobile phone and finding the right button to do the job. Forgeddaboutit.

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Subject: it's fuhgeddabowdit (from an old born/raised Noo Yawkah)
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Close Name:Intruder -   TMO Mac Specialist Posts: 2928 Joined: 07 Jul 2004
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... to use my cell phone to listen to music? If I kill the battery listening to music (or playing games, or taking photos), then I can't USE IT AS A PHONE!!!! Which is why I bought a PHONE in the first place!


Luddite!

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