With intel based macs ability to run windows, surely Virtual PC will just go to the wall?

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Anonymous wrote:
With intel based macs ability to run windows, surely Virtual PC will just go to the wall?

It could become more popular than ever. I don't have much use for VPC now becaus of how limiting it is in terms of what it can run.

I could easily see a VPC on an Intel-Mac that actually runs nearly anything. I would be VERY interested in that program!

Think about it...if you could have a dual-boot machine where Windows runs at 100% of the hardware's possible speed or have VPC that runs at 90% of the hardware's speed, which would you chose?

I'd take the 10% hit just to have the convinience of running windows programs alongside all my OS X apps. No question.

Currently VPC takes a MUCH bigger hit than 10%, so I don't like it. But if an Intel Mac would allow it to run well...yeah, I'd rather have that than a dual-boot machine.

I no longer get the Virtual Networking Switch error on startup. Also, I am finally able to again set the size of the Window to fill my PB screen (broken before this).

It also seems a bit snappier (I mainly use it for Schwab Street Smart Pro).

Looking forward to running native on Mactel! Hey, even if I had a Porsche, I would still drive a Ford to the grocery store (well, maybe a Toyota, but you get the analogy).

VPC also exists for the Windows world. Great way to run an OS in a sandbox.

That's an interesting point but for the cost issue. The ability to run Windows directly on the machine without the additional cost of having to purchase VPC surely will be more attractive.

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Anonymous wrote:
With intel based macs ability to run windows, surely Virtual PC will just go to the wall?

It could become more popular than ever. I don't have much use for VPC now becaus of how limiting it is in terms of what it can run.

I could easily see a VPC on an Intel-Mac that actually runs nearly anything. I would be VERY interested in that program!

Think about it...if you could have a dual-boot machine where Windows runs at 100% of the hardware's possible speed or have VPC that runs at 90% of the hardware's speed, which would you chose?

I'd take the 10% hit just to have the convinience of running windows programs alongside all my OS X apps. No question.

Currently VPC takes a MUCH bigger hit than 10%, so I don't like it. But if an Intel Mac would allow it to run well...yeah, I'd rather have that than a dual-boot machine.

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That's an interesting point but for the cost issue. The ability to run Windows directly on the machine without the additional cost of having to purchase VPC surely will be more attractive.

It really depends on what programs you're using in Windows. If it's something big that you use for long periods of time then you have a point.

But if it's some program that I use for 2 minutes at a time, 6 times a day, I'd soon get tired of having to re-start my computer every time I want to use it!

So the answer will be different for everyone.

If I recall, all Apple said was that they won't directly support Windows in Mactel, but that it would be possible. They didn't say that it wouldn't be in emulation, as current macs are. Is it possible that VPC is what they were referring to?

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algr wrote:
If I recall, all Apple said was that they won't directly support Windows in Mactel, but that it would be possible. They didn't say that it wouldn't be in emulation, as current macs are. Is it possible that VPC is what they were referring to?

I can't imagine that companies like VMWare and Cedega will wait long before attempting to port their X86 Unix code base to Mac OS X86, as it represents a potentially larger market than Linux, and an affluent one with capable hardware and no in-built aversion to closed source software.

CodeWeavers (who produce a program which simplifies installation of WINE and windows programs) on Linux have already committed to supporting OS X on intel, presumably this will be followed by announcements by Cedega (who specialise in running Windows games in Linux) and VMware in the coming months, once they have nutted out the technical details and dreamed up a marketing strategy.

It's not a very bold prediction to say that the vast majority of popular software that can't work anywhere except X86 will be ported to OS X in short order once intel Macs are available in volume. One piece of software to look forward to is the open-source multi platform emulator Qemu's virtualisation module, which is a free (but closed source) CPU virtualiser that the author will hopefully see fit to port to OS X.

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It's not a very bold prediction to say that the vast majority of popular software that can't work anywhere except X86 will be ported to OS X in short order once intel Macs are available in volume.

Now THAT could kill VPC. We'll just have to wait and see how it all plays out.

VPC on OSX can be quite useful.
1) You can "suspend" WinXP so that it is no longer online to catch viruses, but there is no lengthy reboot process. Very useful if you're only using it for an hour or so to use use your windows-only software.
2) You can set the virtual image to have a basic set 'foundation', (cant remember the exact term), and log down all changes made on that machine since then. If something messes up (eg, caught virus, or testing some app that breaks the OS), you can rollback the changes to that foundation. No reinstalling the OS.

What about the file structure on the HD? Windows uses an entirely different file structure than the Mac OS. You'd have to partition the HD and use some utility to access files on one partition from the other's OS.

Macs can access FAT32 and FAT16 partitions with no problem. NTFS is another issue (and proprietary to Microsoft), but could be done (read capability already exists).

It is Windows that has a problem with HFS and HFS+. Microsoft chooses not to be able to read those formats (although other utilities do allow it). It appears that this is a conscious choice by Redmond.

I remember when you could bring a NT4 machine to it's knees by making it attempt to read a HFS disk. Just reading a floppy would blue screen the system.

When I reformated my drive before loading 10.4 Virtual PC 7 was running OK.

After reformating I can not install Virtual PC 7, and because of this I can not use to new release.

without having to pay microsoft a few can someone give me so advise?

Mac OS X currently supports the installing of "Wine" and if you are not familiar with Wine, then you our just a frontend mac user and have no clue about the Unix file system! Wine is a project that allows you to run Windows software on Linux/Unix machines (including Mac OS X) without the need for windows, directly off a unix filesystem. I have been runing windows software for years on a Linux machine, such as office for windows as well as windows versions of FULL BLOWN 3D games like Battlefield 1942 with full speed and NO windows install or file system!

If you are unfamiliar with it, go to http://www.winehq.com/ and see for yourself. Also, the company Codeweavers have been selling a commercial version of Wine for a few years now at http://www.codeweavers.com/

Wine for OS X on intel is already being debugged and Codeweavers is making a Mac OS X x86 version right now!

Can't forget http://www.transgaming.com/ who make Cedega 4.4, which is the optimized version of wine that most linux users are using to play ALL those high end windows 3D games on Linux. My friend above got ahead of himself. Wine doesn't install on Mac OS X PPC, but WILL run on Mac OS X Intel. Once the x86 version comes out, and with the hacks that are already released to get beyond the hardware chip dongle requirement forcing people to use Mac Intel Hardware and allowing them to use ANY intel box for Mac OS X, there is no reason to run Windows. One Machine to bind them all... x86 will runn OS X software, Unix software, Linux software AND Windows software! Microsoft is in for the fight of its life!

I am running the leaked developement version of Mac OS X x86 right now... written to a 20GB hard drive from the VMWare hacked image... and with SSE3 technology on my Pentium 4 CPU, I can run the rosetta layer which allows me to install and run ALL ppc software on x86. iTunes and DVD player run great! And talk about faast... I never thought I was see the day I was running Mac OS X on inetl 1 1/2 years before it is even suppose to be officially released by Apple! I am a complete convert! Down with Windows, up with Windows API on Mac OS X!

took me like 6 hours to deal with the ocnstacnt quit screen...

http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20060110120028762