TMO Reports - iTunes 4.9 Confirms Existence of iPod Phone
by , 11:30 AM EDT, June 28th, 2005
Dialog instructions buried inside version 4.9 of Apple's iTunes
software give clear evidence that some type of "iPod Phone" does
exist and will use iTunes to synchronize not only music but contact
information as well, The Mac Observer has learned.
A resource file that is included with iTunes 4.9 contains instructions
that will be displayed to a user based on certain tasks. Among the
wordage includes "iPod Phone Prefs," "iPod Phone iTunes Setup
Assistant ," "The mobile phone cannot be ejected," "Eject mobile
phone," "iPod mobile phone," "Mobile Phone Updating contacts," "The
name of my mobile phone is...," "Open iTunes when this
mobile phone is attached," and "Display album artwork on this mobile
phone."
Among other instructions include, "iTunes will automatically fill
your mobile phone with a random selection of songs from your library.
You may fill your mobile phone with a different selection of songs by
pressing Autofill in the mobile phone playlist."
In addition, the instructions make it clear that iTunes 4.9 will
be used to not only synchronize with an iPod Phone to transfer music,
but also to transfer contact information, instead of transferring
music through iTunes and contacts through iSync, which Apple
previously did.
What is also not known is if synchronization will happen via USB
or via a wireless Bluetooth connection.
The wordage clearly shows that a wireless phone with the ability
to synchronize with iTunes does exist. What is not known is if the
"iPod Phone" is a product being developed solely by Apple Computer, or the much-anticipated
mobile phone offering soon-to-be-announced by Apple and Motorola. There is strong evidence that if anything, the "iPod Phone" is most likely the product being developed jointly with Motorola.
"Motorola revealed some time ago that there would be an iTunes
phone," Jupiter analyst Joe Wilcox told The Mac Observer.
"What's interesting about the new information is how the
synchronization will work. Microsoft also offers media player-to-
phone synch, but nothing like the autofill Apple plans for the iTunes
phone. Offering a music phone is meaningless without easy
synchronization."
Various online Web sites are reporting that Apple has scheduled a
media event for early July. It is not know if this event is related
to an announcement connected with a wireless product or not.
More proof Apple is transforming to consumer electronics. The Mac hardware platform discontinued, now phones, next to die will be the Mac OS. Haven't any of you noticed that Tiger is lowest quality Mac OS ever.
If what I am reading is accurate, it appears that iTunes equipped cell phones will bear more of a resemblance to the iPod Shuffle than to the regular (white) iPods.
If that's so, these phones may affect Shuffle sales but probably not impact regular iPod sales much.
CloseViewName:DeepDishPosts: 57Joined: 25 Jun 2001 Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:39 pmSubject: Wet Pants and RC
RC, wow, you have lost your touch. That was a sad effert on your part.
Wet pants - Do you mean wet my pants as in I am scared so I pissed my pants or do you mean cream my pants because I am so exicted about an iTunes phone I could control my excitement?
Ignoring the fact that RC's jibes are so lame an inept that even the comic factor has been lost, It seems that the shuffle has most likely been something of a prototype for the phone roll out. It will be interesting to see if this functionality will be extended beyond Motorola phones and indeed as time passes phones as 'the' device generally.
As for the 'proof that an iTunes phone is in existance' even the Iraqi information Minister couldn't have denied that fact without some irony I suspect. Now could he and our beloved iClown RC be in someway related?
DeepDish wrote: RC, wow, you have lost your touch. That was a sad effert on your part.
Wet pants - Do you mean wet my pants as in I am scared so I pissed my pants or do you mean cream my pants because I am so exicted about an iTunes phone I could control my excitement?
CloseViewName:WebsnapPosts: 72Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:45 pmSubject:
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Guest wrote: If what I am reading is accurate, it appears that iTunes equipped cell phones will bear more of a resemblance to the iPod Shuffle than to the regular (white) iPods.
If that's so, these phones may affect Shuffle sales but probably not impact regular iPod sales much.
I don't think so. Not everyone can afford a cell phone (contracts/credit) and customers on a budget (who would be in the market for a shuffle as opposed to a mini) Would be looking at a giveaway phone ($50 and under). Steve Jobs had said that this/these iTunes phones are going to be mid range price points. I think there will be some overlap, but no more than what you would get with the current variance in the iPod lineup. Also Keep in mind, the majority of cell users are on contracts, so if a customer is in the middle of one, and still want a small light iPod there is nothing holding them back from a shuffle.
One of the defining factors of the Shuffle is the lack of a screen — a "feature" any phone would, thankfully, lack. I think that alone would make it a closer relative to the regular iPod than the Shuffle.
On the other hand, if it's only 256-512 megs, then maybe it would be more like a Shuffle in that it might not have playlist support (if you can only store a handful of songs, chances are you won't need playlists). So then I guess it would be like a Shuffle+.
In any case, I don't see it cannibalizing Shuffle sales too much, because the whole point of the Shuffle is to be the cheapest and simplest road to iPodville. It'll still be that (I assume), so I think its market won't be disturbed too much. The iPod mini's market might, though. A lot of people in that market would be more likely to buy a pricey phone, and if they can get an iPod that way, no need for a mini. I doubt it'll be a big problem, though. Each of 4 kinds of iPods would be different enough, I think.
Maybe I'm old school, but I just want my cell phone to get a decent signal and be able to send and receive phone calls.
I don't want it to take pictures, and I don't want it to play music.
RC, give it up. Tiger is not the worst OS to come from Apple.
You used to be kind of funny. Now your just sad.
RealityCheck wrote: More proof Apple is transforming to consumer electronics. The Mac hardware platform discontinued, now phones, next to die will be the Mac OS. Haven't any of you noticed that Tiger is lowest quality Mac OS ever.
More proof that Microsoft is transforming to consumer electronics. Game consoles, PDAs, now phones. Next to die will be Windows. Haven't any of you noticed that Longhorn is the most delayed Windows OS ever?
Intruder wrote: More proof that Microsoft is transforming to consumer electronics. Game consoles, PDAs, now phones. Next to die will be Windows. Haven't any of you noticed that Longhorn is the most delayed Windows OS ever?
CloseViewName:DrShakagee- TMO Forum ModPosts: 941Joined: 14 Jun 2001 Tue Jun 28, 2005 5:09 pmSubject:
They have to get the battery life up to at least 2 days to make it really useful IMO. I do want to carry less stuff in my pocket but I can't afford to have my cell phone battery die cause I was listening to too many songs.
Wow man, you niped it in the bud! don't you guys ever wonder what kind of weird existence this RC guys lives on a day to day basis? What kind of guy hangs arounfd all day rading tech info looking for a weakness in Apple and it's customers to tekk us off!! Does anyone know this characters true identity? And also, is there such a thing as an RC negative? Someone who hangs out at Windows, Linux, or Unix user groups and tries to bash them? Say lame things like, "Windows sucks A$$ man!!!!!!!!" ...oh wait...that's true......
CloseViewName:sumtermugPosts: 9Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:59 pmSubject:
I'm just trying to figure out where RC got his info on the Mac hardware being discontinued. That is news to me. He must be in tight with Steve to know something that has not been announced to the rest of the world yet.
If that is the case, it would mean RC is actually an Apple employee just trying to mess with our heads. So, in the end, not only is everything he says a joke, but his whole pseudo-persona is as well. He is just doing this because he likes to see people get riled up.
You missed the -really- interesting things within the 4.9 resource files, all the Rio, Nomad and other player references:
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Isn't calling it an iPod phone like saying Hershy's Kiss Milk insteat of Hershey's (Spelling?) choclate milk.
In other words the Pod is a shape and device. A phone is a different shape and device. I would think it would be something like an iTunes Phone or simply iPhone.
My understanding is that this is going to run a Java based iTuned mobile software. This will allow downloading songs directly to the phone or syncing from iTunes on you PC or Mac.
Then again i probably don't know what I am saying.
Heck, I'd be happy to have a planner, touch screen and ebook reader on my iPod and so would my customers!
We're going to come out with eBooks for the iPod as well as mp3books for the iPod, but I'd rather have a real reader on the device. Maybe incorporate some of Palm's software and have a phone? This would eliminate the four different devices in my purse!
CloseViewName:Guest Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:12 amSubject:
Hey people I don't see this as something that's buried very deeply at all . Look at your install logs and the fact you have to restart after install . Why a restart after a simple application install ?
Well that's what I asked myself when it asked me that . So I examined the logs and noticed an "ipodphonedriver" kernel extension being installed. Don't think Apple would release a kernel extension like this unless it was completely stable . And no I don't think it's buried that deep at all!
Anonymous wrote: Maybe I'm old school, but I just want my cell phone to get a decent signal and be able to send and receive phone calls ...
I'm in this same school too. Can't understand the one device logic. If only one device, I would say a watch that double as phone, music player, camera and even a weapon. I still don't get it why mf phone? Why not mf helmet? Why not mf glasses?
CloseViewName:DrShakagee- TMO Forum ModPosts: 941Joined: 14 Jun 2001 Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:01 pmSubject:
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DrShakagee wrote: I didn't have to restart, and it never installed any ipodphonedriver on my computers.
I had to restart, and it did install an ipodphonedriver on my computer, so your defense of Mac fandom isn't true. Face it, it fails.
What defense, and what was I defending? I installed it on two computers and I got nothing about ipodphonedriver and it never asked me to restart. Did anyone else have to restart?
CloseViewName:Guest Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:36 pmSubject:
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DrShakagee wrote: I didn't have to restart, and it never installed any ipodphonedriver on my computers.
I had to restart, and it did install an ipodphonedriver on my computer, so your defense of Mac fandom isn't true. Face it, it fails.
What defense, and what was I defending? I installed it on two computers and I got nothing about ipodphonedriver and it never asked me to restart. Did anyone else have to restart?
I had to restart as well. I think guest was referring to your Mac insecurity. You are in denial.
I think what RC was talking about is the fact that Apple is not renewing their contract with IBM for processors, and now Apple will be making their computers with Intel chips.
That's just a guess, though... Even still, they already have plans on phasing out old Mac hardware so that all of the new computers and software will only be compatable with Intel processors.
Good for you. Some of us aren't as fortunate. You could be lying.
Why would you assume I am lying? What possible reason would I have to lie?
Ya know it is possible that some people had to reboot because they downloaded another update at the same time, and it was totally unrelated to the iTunes update. Or, the installer did a hardware check to see if the system had something like built-in bluetooth (or a bluetooth dongle installed) at the time of the update and installed the kexts accordingly.
Don't assume I am a liar just because my experience is different than yours. That's just ignorance.
CloseViewName:Guest Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:58 amSubject:
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Intruder wrote:
Why would you assume I am lying? What possible reason would I have to lie?
Ya know it is possible that some people had to reboot because they downloaded another update at the same time, and it was totally unrelated to the iTunes update. Or, the installer did a hardware check to see if the system had something like built-in bluetooth (or a bluetooth dongle installed) at the time of the update and installed the kexts accordingly.
Don't assume I am a liar just because my experience is different than yours. That's just ignorance.
You could be lying because of your Mac insecurity. Your afraid people will know that Apple stuff fails, even stuff that IS related to iTunes, like this instance.
CloseViewName:Guest Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:41 amSubject:
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Intruder wrote: Don't assume I am a liar just because my experience is different than yours. That's just ignorance.
Don't assume that people who have to restart their computers are facing a problem that is unrelated to iTunes when they install it. That's just ignorance.
CloseViewName:Intruder- TMO Mac SpecialistPosts: 2981Joined: 07 Jul 2004 Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:09 amSubject:
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Anonymous wrote: You could be lying because of your Mac insecurity. Your afraid people will know that Apple stuff fails, even stuff that IS related to iTunes, like this instance.
I don't think I am the one coming across as insecure here.
Who on this thread claimed that iTunes, or anything related to it has failed. Show me the EXACT POST. Restarting does not imply a failure. You lose.
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Don't assume that people who have to restart their computers are facing a problem that is unrelated to iTunes when they install it. That's just ignorance.
Again, who said anything about a problem or a failure? Show me where I said that. show me the EXACT POST.
Who is lying here? Not me.
Go troll somewhere else. You are not welcome here if you are going to post lies and half-truths and accuse people of lying. And don't bother replying. You are no longer worth my (or anybody else's) attention.
Guest found references for other MP3 players in the iTunes 4.9 resource file, but this support has been around for a while. Of course, you can't play files bought from iTMS on these players, since only the iPod supports Protected AAC. But you could write them out to a CD, reimport them, and transfer them to a variety of third-party MP3 players. Check out this document for third-party MP3 player support for iTunes for Mac OS X.
CloseViewName:gslusherPosts: 2061Joined: 13 Nov 2002 Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:02 amSubject: No proof at all
The existence of dialog resources for a phone doesn't prove the existence of a phone, just that the software has that capability. When I was in the Air Force, we wrote all sorts of contingency plans, but the existence of the plans didn't prove that the situations they were built for actually existed.
I don't think I am the one coming across as insecure here.
Who on this thread claimed that iTunes, or anything related to it has failed. Show me the EXACT POST. Restarting does not imply a failure. You lose.
Again, who said anything about a problem or a failure? Show me where I said that. show me the EXACT POST.
Who is lying here? Not me.
Go troll somewhere else. You are not welcome here if you are going to post lies and half-truths and accuse people of lying. And don't bother replying. You are no longer worth my (or anybody else's) attention.
You are accusing me of lying when I had problems after installing iTunes. Face it, problems have come up with this installation. You just won't admit it. I see you like wandering these forums, in search of anything negative about Apple and always coming to their defense. When there are problems with Apple, you don't need to keep putting the blame on something or somebody else.
First of all, it is kind of creepy that you are following me through the forums, but to each their own.
Second, when, exactly, did I call you a liar? Show me the post.
Someone (you?) posted that they had to restart their machine after the install (and no indication of a problem, btw. Just a restart). I (and another) stated that I did not have to restart after the install (exact wording "No restart here. 10.4.1.."), at which point someone (you?) said I could be lying (exact quote "Good for you. Some of us aren't as fortunate. You could be lying."). That was my post. At no point did I say "you are lying. I had no problems, so you must be lying."
Again, when did I say you were lying?
I won't admit there are problems with the installation? Admit implies that I have something to hide (or that I have any stake in the software). It's not my software! It is entirely likely that some people will have problems, just like any other piece of software written by man. Welcome to reality.
I, and many others here, do call Apple to task in these forums when they do something stupid (personally, I think the reported hijacking of RSS is pretty lame if it is in fact true). I have even defended Microsoft on these forums. Show me one of my posts where I said something was the user's fault and could not possibly be the fault of Apple or its products (troubleshooting posts don't count, as standard methodology for troubleshooting starts with the latest actions and works backwards to the software or hardware).
You need to get a grip, dude. Stop making things up (referring to my "posts" calling you a liar, not the issues you are having with iTunes.).
Intruder wrote: First of all, it is kind of creepy that you are following me through the forums, but to each their own.
Second, when, exactly, did I call you a liar? Show me the post.
Someone (you?) posted that they had to restart their machine after the install (and no indication of a problem, btw. Just a restart). I (and another) stated that I did not have to restart after the install (exact wording "No restart here. 10.4.1.."), at which point someone (you?) said I could be lying (exact quote "Good for you. Some of us aren't as fortunate. You could be lying."). That was my post. At no point did I say "you are lying. I had no problems, so you must be lying."
Again, when did I say you were lying?
You need to get a grip, dude. Stop making things up (referring to my "posts" calling you a liar, not the issues you are having with iTunes.).
And you said that it wasn't worth your time replying to my messages. Your Mac insecurity comes to light.
