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Yes but to think that 8.5% of the movers and shakers think MS is the most innovative and 5.5% Dell is just a tad scary don't you think. They probably put International Porkbellies Corp 2nd in their lists.

I think you meant Apple's brand is worth $7.9 billion, Coca Cola's $67.5 billion

Friday morning typos...

Just wondering if they completed the survey before or after the switch anouncement...if after, then the switch factor did not impinge all that much, if at all, on both companies.

So, more evidence that Apple is doomed? ; )

BTW, isn't Dell innovation an oxymoron?

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BTW, isn't Dell innovation an oxymoron?

Actually, that 5.62% of the vote goes to Apple, since that's where Dell took all their "innovations" from.

Overall, this could be good, this could be not so good. Yeah, it probably means we're gonna be seeing a lot of white plastic and chrome, and just a lot of knock-offs in general. But everybody already knows Apple is the company to rip-off for style matters.

However, if executives actually study Apple's success, they'll see it's due to design, innovation, human interface and dedication to quality. All buzzwords folks throw around, but Apple actually implements them. If a company tries to copy Apple in *this* way, we could see a revolution in product design.

I'm not holding my breath, but I am ready for the white plastic onslaught. Have you ever hung out with executives of large companies? It's like being trapped in a bad movie filled with nothing but the worst business cliches...but it's REAL, man....

But not in the areas we're interested in.

Please stop spreading FUD. Any Windows fanboy can tell you that Apple actually copies Microsoft's innovations. Poor Microsoft doesn't get any credit

Actually, I'd give Dell high marks in supply chain innovation. Steve used to compare Apple to Dell when talking about inventory on hand. Not sure where things stand now, but they are both pretty good when it comes to not having inventory sitting around doing nothing.

The Business model is very innovative ...

Examples:

1.) They are now selling 24" Wide Screen LCDs for ~$800 (w/ coupons) where the rest of the industry is selling comparable products for $1500+

2.) They are also selling mid-to-high end laptops for $750 (w/ coupons) where other PC makers and Apple are charging about $1400+

Having said that, they established their business model years ago, but they are using in more areas now (Printers, PDAs, Plasma TVs ...) which is impressive.

I don't think any of their products are innovative at all ... but the model in which they can produce products at 1/2 the cost of every other PC maker in the world is unique.

I hope Apple can be as competitive once they start using Intels ... I am fully aware that TOC (Total Cost of Ownership) on a Mac is cheaper ... but that is hard to explain to 13 year old boy who gets an allowance.

Can you imagine a Mactel distributed from Dell?
Mac OSX stablity, elegance, and usability w/ the Intel speed and battery life at the cost of a Dell

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Please stop spreading FUD. Any Windows fanboy can tell you that Apple actually copies Microsoft's innovations. Poor Microsoft doesn't get any credit.

So true, but Apple does deserve some credit for inventing the first working time machine, so they can travel into the future to copy M$.

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I hope Apple can be as competitive once they start using Intels

I wouldn't count on it. Just my 2Ñž worth. Even years ago, when Mac's used to cost a lot more than other PC's, it wasn't because they cost that much more to make, but because Apple wanted higher margins. I don't expect the Intel switch to affect price very much.

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... I am fully aware that TOC (Total Cost of Ownership) on a Mac is cheaper ... but that is hard to explain to 13 year old boy who gets an allowance.

Perhaps this is a good economic less for the young lad? Or perhaps it would be a good time to teach him about "government" subsidies?

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Perhaps this is a good economic less for the young lad? Or perhaps it would be a good time to teach him about "government" subsidies?

Ooops! Meant to say "economic lesson", not "less".

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BTW, isn't Dell innovation an oxymoron?

Actually, that 5.62% of the vote goes to Apple, since that's where Dell took all their "innovations" from.

Overall, this could be good, this could be not so good. Yeah, it probably means we're gonna be seeing a lot of white plastic and chrome, and just a lot of knock-offs in general. But everybody already knows Apple is the company to rip-off for style matters.

However, if executives actually study Apple's success, they'll see it's due to design, innovation, human interface and dedication to quality. All buzzwords folks throw around, but Apple actually implements them. If a company tries to copy Apple in *this* way, we could see a revolution in product design.

I'm not holding my breath, but I am ready for the white plastic onslaught. Have you ever hung out with executives of large companies? It's like being trapped in a bad movie filled with nothing but the worst business cliches...but it's REAL, man....

Actually if you look at the chart with the descriptions, the main Dell innovation is just their supply chain (aka low costs which the opposite of what Apple is).

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Billy K wrote:

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Guest wrote:
BTW, isn't Dell innovation an oxymoron?

Actually, that 5.62% of the vote goes to Apple, since that's where Dell took all their "innovations" from.

Overall, this could be good, this could be not so good. Yeah, it probably means we're gonna be seeing a lot of white plastic and chrome, and just a lot of knock-offs in general. But everybody already knows Apple is the company to rip-off for style matters.

However, if executives actually study Apple's success, they'll see it's due to design, innovation, human interface and dedication to quality. All buzzwords folks throw around, but Apple actually implements them. If a company tries to copy Apple in *this* way, we could see a revolution in product design.

I'm not holding my breath, but I am ready for the white plastic onslaught. Have you ever hung out with executives of large companies? It's like being trapped in a bad movie filled with nothing but the worst business cliches...but it's REAL, man....

Actually if you look at the chart with the descriptions, the main Dell innovation is just their supply chain (aka low costs which the opposite of what Apple is).

But Apple can't go the low cost route because that's not their aim. Apple is like the Lexus to the Dell's Toyota. Lexus isn't going to be innovative by selling cars cheaper. In fact, it would ruin it's brand by doing so. An overly cheap Apple would hurt the Apple brand rather than help it. Basically, cheap prices from Apple would cannibalize it's higher margin products.