Nice video.

If Bill's looks could kill.

I though he might cry.

wow, the invention of the only useful keyboard command in Windows.

well, maybe not the most useful, but at least the most commonly used

It's funny because 100% of windows users know how to force quit applications this way wheras I doubt 30% of Mac users know the command under OSX to do the same.

Nice to have the video in QuickTime instead of watching it in Window Media Player.

A Classic!

Sorry to sort of steal the subject line from the last post, but nothing is more appropriate. I wonder who is really more tempermental - Billy G. or Stevie J.

Not only was this command universally necessary for the inevitable, repetative reboots of older Windows systems, but it was yanked for Windows NT and later, because they finally realized that it was a security risk.

To be fair, even though I think the Classic Mac OS was definitely superior to old versions of Windows, I many times wished that there was a way to reboot a hung Mac (especially under Mac OS 8), from the keyboard. As often as I had to reach for a paper-clip, when my old Performa 450 and original rev. iMac, (prior to installing OS X, of course), were totally hung up...

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MOSiX Man wrote:
... this command (...) was yanked for Windows NT and later, because they finally realized that it was a security risk.

What are you on about? Control-Alt-Delete was removed because Win2k made it unnecessary. It's still there in XP, if you care to look... if you know how. In fact, in order to properly secure a Win2k or XP system, you should turn this policy back on because the keystroke sends an interrupt that will expose a half-hearted fake login window.

And it's people like you who wonder why Mac users have such a poor reputation for actually knowing wtf they're talking about... dingdong.

LOL you crazy people. CTRL-ALT-DEL wasn't removed. The architecture of Windows NT based operating systems is totally different that the old crappy 9x based ones. On NT-based systems the kernel architecture prevents application failures from bringing down the machine the way they could in 9x. So the old hit ctrl-alt-del to reboot doesn't apply on NT+. The only way the machine will get screwed is if the problem is actually in the kernel. But then you don't have to hit ctrl-alt-del cause the system will bluescreen for you! How convenient! It has nothing to do with security.

Although what does have to do with security is how M$ put ctrl-alt-del to work in the NT-based operating systems. Feel free to look up winlogon and GINA for lots of exciting details about that! <Yawn>

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MOSiX Man wrote:
... this command (...) was yanked for Windows NT and later, because they finally realized that it was a security risk.

What are you on about? Control-Alt-Delete was removed because Win2k made it unnecessary. It's still there in XP, if you care to look... if you know how. In fact, in order to properly secure a Win2k or XP system, you should turn this policy back on because the keystroke sends an interrupt that will expose a half-hearted fake login window.

And it's people like you who wonder why Mac users have such a poor reputation for actually knowing wtf they're talking about... dingdong.

...about what you think of the mac community? HA! Thats the problem with you dilbert types, you are so narrow minded that you cant see a big world out there! Id rather work on my Mac then do my own thing than my own thing being trying to get my Mac to work!

do I need to g o s l o w e r f o r y o u ?

now run along and reboot your winblows box bubba.

This is the kind of conversation 12 year old gamers get into.

Although I love the fact that the video clip was titled "CTL-ALT-DEL = OWNED!"

hehe =)

You know, looking at the clip, there's absolutely no reason that Billy Boy Gates shouldn't be busting a gut himself... unless he himself truly believed that Windoze was a buggy, unreliable OS.

Kinda makes you wonder what OS Bill Gates really uses, eh?

Remember in OS X you can

restart with Control-Apple-Eject
shutdown with Control-Option-Apple-Eject
sleep with Option-Apple-Eject

And of course Option-Apple-Esc brings up the Force Quit Apps window.

Don't know if they apply to a hung computer, mine never does.
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I many times wished that there was a way to reboot a hung Mac (especially under Mac OS 8), from the keyboard.

A "hung" Mac! Must be the fresh cup of dark roast that I am drinking, but I just rememberd the line from Blazing Saddles and I started cracking up.

Charlie: "Bart they said you was hung!"

Sheriff: "And they was right!"

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rezonate wrote:
Remember in OS X you can

restart with Control-Apple-Eject
shutdown with Control-Option-Apple-Eject
sleep with Option-Apple-Eject

And of course Option-Apple-Esc brings up the Force Quit Apps window.

Don't know if they apply to a hung computer, mine never does.
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MOSiX Man wrote:
I many times wished that there was a way to reboot a hung Mac (especially under Mac OS 8), from the keyboard.

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MOSiX Man wrote:
I many times wished that there was a way to reboot a hung Mac (especially under Mac OS 8), from the keyboard. As often as I had to reach for a paper-clip, when my old Performa 450 and original rev. iMac, (prior to installing OS X, of course), were totally hung up...

Control-Command-Keyboard Startup Button restarts non-usb keyboard macs.

Command + Shift + PowerKey.

This works on all versions of the OS, provided that you have a PowerKey on your keyboard. I used to use this all the time on ADB keyboards under System 7-9 and still use it today on my PowerBooks.

Sure they do... its a manual command. Hold the Power Button for about 5 seconds or unplug and replug the proprietary power cable. This command works on both classic Mac OS systems and OS X.

I use it about 5 times a day on my iBook. Now for the next question: why does it hang up so often?

someone said that only 30% of users on mac knows how to force quit app, maybe that is true, only because most of the mac users are absolutely not skilled in computers, not saing that all of them but most of them, most users only know how to use there photoshop and so one, but very few knows on how to troubleshoot networking, and so on... no ofence i own mac too, but it does freez up on me, not as often as windows, but it does freez up, and the reason why not so often is because it is not even running 10% of applications that i do run on windows, i have much more programs installed on my win pc than on mac... so i wouldnt make fun on windows...

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someone said that only 30% of users on mac knows how to force quit app, maybe that is true, only because most of the mac users are absolutely not skilled in computers,

Define "skilled in computers". Just because someone doesn't use Windows does not mean they aren't "skilled in computers". I know many more people who are far more clueless on a Windows machine.

People who think Word is their operating system. Or Internet Explorer is (almost right there, though). Or that Windows is their web browser.

And people call Mac users elitist?!?