We don't need radio, we have podcasting!

Quote

Anonymous wrote:
We don't need radio, we have podcasting!

Personally, I'm glad Apple didn't go for this one. The first poster ("guest") is right: Podcasting is going to be the wave of the future; and I really think that radio, and especially this complicated-sounding setup for purchasing and transfering music to and from the proposed XM+Napster device, is going to eventually go the way of the dodo.

Speaking of Dodo, who was the meathead that came up with such a silly name as "XM+Napster" anyway?

Quote

drmacnut wrote:


Speaking of Dodo, who was the meathead that came up with such a silly name as "XM+Napster" anyway?

Sat Radio is really only relevant to North America - everywhere else DAB (Digital Audio Broadcast) radio has become the radio format of choice. Maybe Apple see themselves as a global player these days and don't want to be tied to a parochial 'standard' with little or no adoption elsewhere in the world?

Also smacks a bit of desperation on the part of Napster!

Quote

Anonymous wrote:

Quote

drmacnut wrote:


Speaking of Dodo, who was the meathead that came up with such a silly name as "XM+Napster" anyway?

Probably guest 2 judging by his mentality

I can't function without Sirius and will NOT buy any MP3 device that does not have sat radio capability. An iPod + Sirius device is a MUST HAVE if they ever do a deal. Otherwise NO MP3 for me!

Another I told you so. Apple is losing out on music player deals because its closed proprietary iPod-iTunes system is rightfully scaring away partners. It worked great for the Mac hardware, why not try the same for music players.

Apple is missing a great opportunity. I don't have Sat Radio so I don't care if XM or Sirus is L33t but I do belive that having the ability to listen to a feed, and buy what you are currently or just recently listened to, is a major convenience and an important feature consumers will look for.

It is egotistical for Apple to belive that consumers don't want what Apple isn't selling, that is, MP3 devices with record capability, FM tuners, etc. Sure this is handled by the 3rd party Ad-on market and while Griffin could make an XP/Sirus adapter for an iPod, it wouldn't be integrated into a music store capability so it looses the polish.

Come on Apple, re-think this one.

I just don't get Satellite radio. I mean, I have an iPod and I have all the music I want to listen to on it... I don't have to worry about whether or not the next song is going to be good, because it always is. With satellite radio, even if they have 5000 channels, it's still not going to be as good as even 1 of my playlists (for me anyway).

I guess the only draw for people with large music collections would be for Howard Stern and other syndicated talk shows. Yahwn. Doesn't do it for me. I think it's good that apple passed on this one.

Radio listenership is rapidly declining. Why, because people want to control their own listening habits. And face it, radio personalities have gotten stale, or worse, just dumb. Howard Stern's jump to satellite radio is actually a good thing. Virtually nobody will have to ever hear him again. Who is his core audience these days but the wanna be sex offenders?

iPod sales continue to grow, as does the amount of business at the iTMS.

It's RC's brain that's failing. Failing to come back to reality.

The iPod IS the ecosystem. Just look around, the accessories are everywhere. And automakers are aligning themselves with the iPod, NOT satellite radio. If I worked at Clear Channel, I'd be afraid for my job really quickly. Radio as we know it will soon fail and the government can reclaim those frequencies on the mhz band. They'll be dead air anyway.

This sounds to me like a bloated functionality for an iPod. I think Apple has done a good job of playing to the majority with regards to the funcitonality in the iPod. I bought an iPod because I wanted to hear my music.

The setup that all these companies are going for sounds super complex and only caters to a small niche group which is a poision pill in the low margin online music sales business.

What would make more sense to me would be for the Sat Radio groups to simply ad a button or a function to existing players that allows you to flag any song you hear and generate a shopping cart that can be download/emailed/whatevered that you can then use to link directly to that song in whatever music store you use (Napster/MSN/Y!/iTMS/...) then the satalite group is paid for getting those songs sold. I believe that Apple already has a system in place that gives a vendor credits for getting people to buy songs.

This seems like a straight forward way of doing things when compared to the XM+Napster method which sounds like a bunch of executives went on a retreat and over thought the "problem".

XM won't save Napster either

So I hear Napster is going to launch their online music store in Japan next week... oh wait...

Quote

RealityCheck wrote:
Another I told you so. Apple is losing out on music player deals because its closed proprietary iPod-iTunes system is rightfully scaring away partners. It worked great for the Mac hardware, why not try the same for music players.

Quote

mahuti wrote:
I just don't get Satellite radio. I mean, I have an iPod and I have all the music I want to listen to on it... I don't have to worry about whether or not the next song is going to be good, because it always is. With satellite radio, even if they have 5000 channels, it's still not going to be as good as even 1 of my playlists (for me anyway).

I guess the only draw for people with large music collections would be for Howard Stern and other syndicated talk shows. Yahwn. Doesn't do it for me. I think it's good that apple passed on this one.

I thought the idea of an MP3 player was to move away from radio and listen to what you like and not what someone else plays.
Plus I don't want to pay a monthly subscription to listen to the radio.
I'll stick with my iPod and listen to what I want to listen to.
Also with XM satelite if you're using one of there portable units you need to be in line of sight of the satelite. Otherwise your reception might not be good or you might lose it all together. The Elton John commercial looks good but it really doesn't work that well in real life.

The way I read this news is that you can't recieve the live satelite radio without connecting this device to either an home antenna or a car XM stereo system.

So what's the point?

You can apprently buy and download songs from the XM service, but we already do that through iTunes. Do we really need to buy songs when we're in your car? (which you can technically already do with a laptop connected to the internet by WiFi or a cell phone). I can kind of see the impulse buy angle (hear the song on XM and buy it right away), but it's not worth additional hardware or complexity to do it.

You can't listen to live XM satelite while away from home or a car, so why do you need it integrated into a portable music player?

It seems likely that Apple didn't see a reason to partner with XM or Sirus until the live satelite radio capabilities can be made portable. Apple doesn't really need an alternate way to buy songs or the headcache of working with services that will want a piece of the profits (they have enough hassles with the iTunes phone and that issue).

EOM

of the iPod's ecosystem?

http://www.ipodnn.com/news/05/07/27/harley.ipod.support/

Harley Davidson has unleased 7 new models that provide for iPod plug in.

The list just grows and grows.

...just *YAWN*.

I'm actually the target for satellite radio -- long commute, sick & tired of commercial broadcast radio -- but I usually stick a CD in the player and get on with the drive.

At the moment, I tend to listen to a lot of Internet radio on my iBook. No commercials or even very many breaks; what's not to like? OK, once I get away from the house I don't get a signal, but that's when I stick the CD in.

Quote

RealityCheck wrote:
Another I told you so. Apple is losing out on music player deals because its closed proprietary iPod-iTunes system is rightfully scaring away partners. It worked great for the Mac hardware, why not try the same for music players.

Do not be so stupid XM commands Over 4 million listeners. Car companies ARE striking just as many deals with XM or Sirius as they are with iPod. There are more Sat. radio ready car audio systems than there are iPod ready systems. XM is the future! Yes internet radio, and podcasts are dandy, but when FM replaces AM, XM is replacing FM. THAT IS A FACT!

"It is egotistical for Apple to belive that consumers don't want what Apple isn't selling"

It's clueless of you to think that consumers want what Apple isn't selling. The iPod completely dominates the MP3 player market, and the iTMS completely dominates the online music store market. There are lots and lots of choices in those markets, but consumers freely chose to make what Apple sells #1. Saying they want anything else flies in the face of reality.

"Apple is losing out on music player deals because its closed proprietary iPod-iTunes system is rightfully scaring away partners."

First of all, liar, iPods are compatible with music stores other than the iTMS. That's a cold hard fact you've never been able to swollow. Second, what's Apple need partners for? The iTMS is a wild success that's completely crushed the competition, and so is the iPod, which has been selling way above expectations. And I mean WAY above, like over six million units in Q2 when everone was expecting it to barely sell more than five million.


"Do not be so stupid XM commands Over 4 million listeners."

Ooooh, over 4 million listeners! Oh wow. Do you know that's completely insignificant compared to the number of iPod and iTMS users? In Q2 alone, Apple sold more iPods than there are XM satellite listeners. Tell me, which is the bigger market?

XM and Serius will reach their maximum audience much faster than the iPod. Why?

Because both are US-only services. iPod is world-wide. If XM or Serius worked everywhere I might be willing to try it out, although paying a subscription fee to listen to music doesn't thrill me.

Quote

Anonymous wrote:
"Apple is losing out on music player deals because its closed proprietary iPod-iTunes system is rightfully scaring away partners."

First of all, liar, iPods are compatible with music stores other than the iTMS. That's a cold hard fact you've never been able to swollow. Second, what's Apple need partners for? The iTMS is a wild success that's completely crushed the competition, and so is the iPod, which has been selling way above expectations. And I mean WAY above, like over six million units in Q2 when everone was expecting it to barely sell more than five million.

Ooooh, over 4 million listeners! Oh wow. Do you know that's completely insignificant compared to the number of iPod and iTMS users? In Q2 alone, Apple sold more iPods than there are XM satellite listeners. Tell me, which is the bigger market?

"Angry Mac fanatic, get a life!"

Brainwashed Windows zombie, can you disprove anything I said?

But that's really asking the impossible. You can't disprove the cold hard facts. Although Winbots sure are good at denying them, aren't they?

Quote

Anonymous wrote:
"Angry Mac fanatic, get a life!"

Brainwashed Windows zombie, can you disprove anything I said?

But that's really asking the impossible. You can't disprove the cold hard facts. Although Winbots sure are good at denying them, aren't they?

Quote

Anonymous wrote:
What's your problem, angry guest? Please register.

Quote

Intruder wrote:

Quote

Anonymous wrote:
What's your problem, angry guest? Please register.

It will never happen. It is far easier to throw stones anonymously than to actually attach your name to them, because then he/she would actually have to take responsibility for them.