The chip maker that makes motherboards for every other computer manufacturer is now helping to design motherboards for Apple.

Whoda thunkit?

Overall this is a good development, as it allows Apple's engineers to do the more important engineering, design, etc (not that motherboards are unimportant, but Apple needs to design distinctive, intuitive, masterful stuff).

"While I have no insight how much this will save Apple, let's not also forget that Intel also offers marketing dollars (several hundred million, if I'm not mistaken) to [computer manufacturers] who display the 'Intel Inside,' 'Pentium,' and 'Centrino' logos on their hardware," Mr. Margevicius said. "I would expect Apple to do the same."

I just don't see it, maybe I'm just hoping but a dumb sticker on a Mac?

The other thing that blows me away about the Intel or Windows stickers is, the people don't remove them from their laptops!

I see all of these pc folks with laptops on my train commute and they don't remove the UGLY stickers? Why?

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mozart11 wrote:
The other thing that blows me away about the Intel or Windows stickers is, the people don't remove them from their laptops!

I see all of these pc folks with laptops on my train commute and they don't remove the UGLY stickers? Why?

I can assure you that it's the very first thing I did on my laptop. It's a Dell X1 for goodness sake. I don't want it plastered with someone else's ugly advertising. It's bad enough that the base of the laptop is absolutely covered with all the different certification and ID stickers. It's laughable compared to my PowerBook G4.

I want to see all PC's and laptops sold with Windows OS should have MacOS also in it.

with new virtualizaiton technology Apple should request PC assemblers like Dell and HP to sell MacOS along with all Windows OS sold.

Jobs said that the transition would begin in June 2006 and be completes in tha last quarter of 2007... now the first powerMacs Intel inside will be out in the second half of 2006!?!?

We practically don't have apps for them and they are anticipating the release of the machine by one whole year?!?

Come on...

1) they are not anticipating by a year, but by 6 months.... at least from my perspective that's a HUGE difference.

2) I don't have an exact count, but there are quite a few fat binaries out there that will be running on X86 natively. Let's not forget about Rosetta either. When Apple switched from the 68XXX platform to PPC, it was quite a while that key apps were under emulation, and we made it thorugh just fine.

And as for the person not getting the relationship (first post) -- it's not the stickers that will cause Apple to have less countrol over their secrecy, but the fact that Intel is designing their m-boards. (that wasn't really clear in the article thorugh.... a bit o' awkward writing methinks).

Yes I think this article is a little sketchy. Almost seems that it was written on a blackberry while riding on a horse.

apples design guides and specs will have intel engineers up nights meeting them. we need to stop blaming the hardware for the problem windows machines have. its the software and the need for catch all solutions in the wild west peripherals markets that plagues that os.

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mozart11 wrote:
The other thing that blows me away about the Intel or Windows stickers is, the people don't remove them from their laptops!

I see all of these pc folks with laptops on my train commute and they don't remove the UGLY stickers? Why?

Why would you? To most people it's a trusted brand name. Intel make good chips and in case you haven't noticed - people tend to be happy in displaying brand names on their products.

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The other thing that It's laughable compared to my PowerBook G4.

What did you buy it for then?

...which is why I doubt it is.

Think about it. Mactels won't have firewire, they use an Intel CPU an Intel motherboard (according to this rumor), commodity hard drive, commodity memory, commodity DVD+/-RW (whatever)...

What's left for Apple to design? The case, keyboard, and mouse? Um, forgive me but Apple can't design keyboards, and their mice are only so so.

That would leave the case. Um. This is masterful design? ROFL!

If this rumor is true it basically means Apple exits the hardware computer business, leaving them a software/OS company that markets a mean MP3 player...

Put me down as a doubting Thomas, folks.

Who says they won't have firewire, get with it!!

It will have on it whatever Apple contracts to have on it. Intel is the supplier to Apple. It supplies whatever the customer asks for.

You're exactly right. Thank you.

There is a very simple way for any of us to be smarter than almost everyone who comments on the Intel-based Macintosh. All you have to do is understand one very simple point: A Mac with an Intel chip is not a PC. Not even if Intel designs the motherboard (to Apple's specs). Without a good deal of hackery, it won't run Windows, and its OS X OS won't run on a PC.

Although I'm pretty sure that I already no the answer to this I'm gonna ask it anyways. Does anyone know if there is any chance that you would be able to switch out the Intel CPU with an AMD?

Here's one article that suggests it:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/09/apple_firewire_plan

And more rumors:

http://macpredict.com

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ByteOfTheApple/blog/archives/2005/12/will_firewire_s.html?campaign_id=rss_blog_byteoftheapple

http://channels.lockergnome.com/osx/archives/20051220_is_apple_going_to_drop_firewire_support_on_the_intel_laptops.phtml

http://businesslogs.com/technology/no_firewire_on_intel_ibooks.php

http://www.mac360.com/index.php/mac360/more/is_firewire_dead_or_dying_at_apple/

So if you believe one rumor, you pretty much have to believe the other...

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Giles wrote:
You're exactly right. Thank you.

There is a very simple way for any of us to be smarter than almost everyone who comments on the Intel-based Macintosh. All you have to do is understand one very simple point: A Mac with an Intel chip is not a PC. Not even if Intel designs the motherboard (to Apple's specs). Without a good deal of hackery, it won't run Windows, and its OS X OS won't run on a PC.

Not sure why you think that the machines won't run Windows without a lot of "hackery". Phil Schiller stated plainly after Macworld in June that they won't do anything to prevent Windows from running on the machines, and Apple really shouldn't care if it does, since they are a hardware company first and foremost.

I do agree with you, though, that OS X won't run on a PC without serious effort that 99.999% of the PC world won't take on.

Not sure why you think that the machines won't run Windows without a lot of "hackery". Phil Schiller stated plainly after Macworld in June that they won't do anything to prevent Windows from running on the machines, and Apple really shouldn't care if it does, since they are a hardware company first and foremost.

I think Phil was talking about the developer preview machines, not production Macs. In any case, even if Windows did run on a Mac, you can bet good money that neither Apple nor Microsoft would offer any support whatsoever, making it a non-option for the vast majority of users.