Unfortunate but true. I think Apple will miss this opportunity for not making ads for OS X.

They could at least make a "OS X" ad campaign just for brand awareness. Something similar to what Intel Inside was, "branding an ingredient". Not a silly copycat "OS X Inside" campaign, but something like "powered by OS X"

I love apple but this "and it will be on time" is an unprovable assertion which belongs in a editorial column, not a new story written by anonymous "staff.

Basic journalism folks.

No Vista PCs means everyone has the Christmas cash for new video iPods, MBs. etc. New products on the way and, thanks to MS, it will be another Apple Christmas.

Did both of you wake up with your underwear up your butts? Good grief.

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Unfortunate but true. I think Apple will miss this opportunity for not making ads for OS X.

They could at least make a "OS X" ad campaign just for brand awareness. Something similar to what Intel Inside was, "branding an ingredient". Not a silly copycat "OS X Inside" campaign, but something like "powered by OS X"

It has been stated and even with point by point remarks, been shown why it doesn't really matter if Apple markets OS X. Ask an average PC user what system they use and I guarantee you, you'll get more than a few "Office", or "Word" or "Internet Explorer" answers. Not, "Windows xxx".

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I love apple but this "and it will be on time" is an unprovable assertion which belongs in a editorial column, not a new story written by anonymous "staff.

Basic journalism folks.

LOL -- touchy touchy touchy. Do you have a job at MacObserver? Do you complete your major in journalism? Do you have a *current* job writing for anyone other than your picky little brain?

The fact that, once again, Windows Vista is being delayed *is* news in that it was expected they would actually hold to their "final" release date this round. The last sentence, "and it will be on time", might be a cheesy swipe, but it's also the truth. Apple's release date predictions/releases have been so much closer to the mark than Microsoft's it isn't even funny anymore.

Now - both of you go back to bed and get up on the right side before you decide to share your great insight on any other sites.

:: refluffs pillow, sets head back down ::

I stand by what i wrote
"and it will be on time" is an unprovable assertion which belongs in a editorial column, not a new story written by anonymous "staff.

and it is Basic journalism and a unprovable assertion. Apple;s past record is not a factual evidence of what lies a ahead. Product releases are routinely delayed in this industry and no tech news source should report the future and opion as fact.

and as being "touchy", you spent more time replying to both of us, erroneously in my case, than either I or other poster spent. Must be "your picky little brain" or " Do you have a job at MacObserver" yourself?

Jerk.

Kindergarten is in the next building, boys.

My wife, only a Mac user for not too long, just asked me last night if we have Microsoft Office on our computer. I said yes. She said, "But we have an Apple computer." (Bear with her, English is her second language.)

Same thing at the library. I asked the librarian if they had some MS cd for the Mac. Maybe it was Microsoft Dinosaurs or something.

She said, "No, Microsoft is IBM, not Apple." That's exactly what she said. Some people don't get it. Microsoft is everything and nothing from MS works on a Mac.

HA! That's hilarious.

You should have tugged her shirtsleeves and said, actually, IBM is now China, Macs are now Disney and Microsoft plays well with both.

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I stand by what i wrote
"and it will be on time" is an unprovable assertion which belongs in a editorial column, not a new story written by anonymous "staff.

and it is Basic journalism and a unprovable assertion. Apple;s past record is not a factual evidence of what lies a ahead. Product releases are routinely delayed in this industry and no tech news source should report the future and opion as fact.

and as being "touchy", you spent more time replying to both of us, erroneously in my case, than either I or other poster spent. Must be "your picky little brain" or " Do you have a job at MacObserver" yourself?

Jerk.

As Brad Smith wrote, it's a message board, chill out.

On top of that, it's obvious from your lack of capitalisation and spelling that you're not a journalist. Heaven forfend if you are.

Apart from your knee-jerking aggressiveness, you make a fair point. I happen to disagree - I think that Apple will deliver on time. It's hit the mark in the past, and each time it does, it reinforces the probability that it will again. It certainly has a much, much better record than Microsoft.

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It has been stated and even with point by point remarks, been shown why it doesn't really matter if Apple markets OS X. Ask an average PC user what system they use and I guarantee you, you'll get more than a few "Office", or "Word" or "Internet Explorer" answers. Not, "Windows xxx".

"Guest 1" here, suggesting that you ask your hypothetical average PC user what processor is in their computer.
The average person will likely reply Intel.

That's brand awareness.

And that's exactly what I think Apple could do.

Promote the "Mac OS X" name.

So that when people buy an Apple computer they will be aware that it runs on something that is not Windows.

But they won't be scared by that, they'll know the "OS X" name, if marketed correctly long enough.


BTW, is not only the "average PC user" I know university professors, of the kind that does computer modeling for a living even, that will say "microsoft" or "windows" when they should say "word" or "powerpoint".

Of course Microsoft's delaying Vista.

They need as much time as they can get to plagiarize OS X to the maximum degree.

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Of course Microsoft's delaying Vista.

They need as much time as they can get to plagiarize OS X to the maximum degree.

Well, at least Microsoft knows enough to copy the best.

Maybe they're worried about Leapord? Wanna see it before throwing the consumer flava of Vista out there?

With Vista now coming out after Leapord (looks like), it'd be pretty humiliating for MS if their 'uber OS' they've been talking up for so very, very, VERY long was STILL inferior to OS X from Day One.

At that point, anyone with any awareness at all either chucks their PC in the ashcan and runs to the Apple Store, or checks to see how far along the hackers are to getting Leapord to run on generic x86 hardware.

(an exaggeration, but not much of one)

I think "guest" has some valid points in his criticism on this piece. It was speculative in both Apple meeting its release date for OS X 10.5 and in saying, "For some consumers, that may be too little too late."

The very lede of the story, "Microsoft's never ending quest to delay the release of Vista...is still on track" is setting a biased tone that is mirrored at the end with a quip about Vista-related promises. Bias and unsupported speculation don't belong in a news piece.

-Dan

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I think "guest" has some valid points in his criticism on this piece. It was speculative in both Apple meeting its release date for OS X 10.5 and in saying, "For some consumers, that may be too little too late."

The very lede of the story, "Microsoft's never ending quest to delay the release of Vista...is still on track" is setting a biased tone that is mirrored at the end with a quip about Vista-related promises. Bias and unsupported speculation don't belong in a news piece.

-Dan

All true, but let's be honest... Microsoft set itself up AND THEN SOME with delays to Longhorn/Vista that have now reached what can only be described as truly comedic proportions.

Seriously, how many jokes could you write about Vista's release date? I can't really fault TMO on this one.

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All true, but let's be honest... Microsoft set itself up AND THEN SOME with delays to Longhorn/Vista that have now reached what can only be described as truly comedic proportions.

Seriously, how many jokes could you write about Vista's release date? I can't really fault TMO on this one.

None of which changes the definition of news and editorial.

Honestly, I'd have made it an editorial and really had some fun with it!

-Dan

LONG FORGOTTEN, or the vista is from six feet under, HAHahahah. Seriously, with the HUGE army of staff that microsuck must have working this...I just don't get it, why does it take so long... The great pyramid would be like 25% done by now. The tower of babble would have risen and fell. World War ll could have been fought. The only thing microsuck has going for it is, office-PERIOD.
I heard that bill gates donates like 25% of his MASSIVE fortune to charity, that's a lot more than most rich bastards do, so ya gotta give him that.
But who really gives a hoot about microsuck. except the cult of Billy, and they are PISSED off that Apple is alive and well. MUhahahhahaHA!!!
IT"S GOOD TIMES FOR APPLE, and I LOVE every minute of it. I've even stopped crusading for apple. If some fool wants to buy a winblows unit, let them suffer for there unforgivable ignorance. I'm too busy enjoying my apple products to give a dam.

Why does everyone care about the opinions in this article? "This isn't news, its an editorial."?? So? I would agree that it's an editorial... And...?

Is this in the wrong place or something? Because it seems reasonable enough to me that 'the mac observer' would have some 'observations' about various topics and not all would necessarily have to be based in 100% fact.

Apple PROBABLY will ship on time, and even if they dont, they'll still be MORE on time than microsoft. The line about how it 'may be' too late is specific in it's opinion, MAY be. Not 'this is too little too late', but this MAY be too little too late.

I don't get a lot of these trolls who care so much about labelling a simple post on an apple fan site that's poking a bit of fun at the (deserving) microsoft.