Apple Letter Upsets Third Grader
Apple Letter Upsets Third Grader
by , 8:05 AM EDT, April 14th, 2006
A form letter response sent from Apple computer to a nine-year-old girl left her family so upset that they called their local television station. According to CBS13, Shea O'Gorman decided to send a letter to Apple CEO Steve Jobs after learning about writing letters in school. In the letter, she offered her suggestions for improvements to the iPod nano.
Instead of a response from Mr. Jobs, she received a form letter from Apple's law department informing her that the company does not accept unsolicited ideas, and also told her not to send any more suggestions. Apple's Web site explains the company policy, and also offers a Web page with links to feedback forms.
Shea's mom commented "We were stunned, we just were stunned, is the best word to say. It just wasn't the appropriate type letter to send to a third grader who had the initiative to write to them."
Observer Comments
Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:02 am Subject: And who is surprised by this?
Apple's response to this letter is not surprising at all. In all actuality, the letter probably never reached Mr. Jobs. Some underling got the letter and did his/her job by the letter of the Apple law and returned the impersonal form letter. Too bad for Apple. If someone at Apple had been "thinking differently," they might have chose to break the rules by sending a personal response to this little girl. That would have shown some humanity and compassion.
Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:11 am Subject: called the local TV station?
Give me a break. Yeah, it was from the Apple legal department, and was worded impersonally. That's unfortunate. But what did they expect? A hand-written note from Jobs?
If my daughter wanted to write Steve Jobs a letter, I would tell her up front that he probably would never receive it. And I would console her when it turned out that way. But I would never be "stunned" enough to call a news station. That's pitiful.
Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:15 am Subject: Probably an Automaton
...Since if Apple hadn't done exactly what it did, somewhere down the line, an idea similar to what the girl proposed might get implemented in the iPod line - and BAM!!! - this girl's family is suing Apple for "stealing" her invention.
As for the letter reaching Jobs, since it contained product ideas/enhancements, it was probably red-flagged and immediately went to the legal department before he had any chance of seeing it.
As an aside, is the content of this girl's letter anywhere where we can read it? I'm curious, since there's a lot of "Apple could have been nice to the little girl..." floating around, but I haven't seen anything that indicates Apple had any way of knowing this was anything other than some patent-squatting type of outfit looking to make a quick buck by sending out "idea" letters to every comany under the sun in a shotgun approach to finding a target for a legal action, and wrangling a settlement payout out of the deal. (Whew, that's a mouthful
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:58 am Subject: Sounds Like that Form Letter Needs a Little Work...
Sounds like that form letter needs a 'niceness' makeover. There's a diplomatic way to say anything, and obviously whatever was in that letter wasn't it.
Kinda sucks for Apple, its a PR black eye, for sure. We might not think so, but a story like that just makes Apple sound like Darth Vader to Joe Average. Obviously something to be avoided in the future.
its a normal response. The same one you or me would get if we sent any great ideas to apple in the hope that they would include it in there next product. The reason ist that Apple has to make sure nobody Sues them for using your or my idea in a new product. So a good way to make sure a Feature is not inkluded is to Patent it and then surgest to apple they include it. .-))
QuoteGuest wrote:
Sounds like that form letter needs a 'niceness' makeover. There's a diplomatic way to say anything, and obviously whatever was in that letter wasn't it.
Well, according to the CBS report, Apple called and personally apologized, and held a meeting to "improve" their form letter.
I think that Apple's response was intimidating for a 9 year-old girl, as it was evidently designed for adults, and to discourage people from giving ideas, as they would naturally fear legal issues if anyone came over claiming that Apple had used their idea in their latest product.
However, the girl's parents slightly over reacted, and should have considered Apple's point of view before calling a in TV station to make a press coverage.
There's space for improvement on both sides...
It's because of parents like this, that we get kids that ar whineyer and whineyer.
Sure, it would be great if Apple had some interns or grandpas or special Mac Mini, devoted soley to responding "appropriately" to this kind of suggestion. Despite some people's perception, Apple IS a "touchy feely" organization, and when they can, they go out of their way to prove it. A couple of years ago my wife contacted them on my behalf (unbeknownst to me) about how much I loved the company/product, and what would I need to do to get a job with them. They actually contacted her back in a very friendly manner. She didn't go through any "proper channels". She just found an email address and sent one.
In a perfect world Apple would have some how spotted this particular letter (or responded "kinder" to all letters I suppose), and everyone would have had a warm fuzzy feeling inside. The reality is that even when a precious little angel sends a letter to a big company, sometimes you're not handed a lollipop and sent a free iMac. It just don't happen.
Shame on the parents for perpetuating the feeling of entitlement that so many of our younger population seem to have. And shame on the "news" department for jumping on it like it was an actual story. The headline should have read, "When Are Parents Going To Start Teaching Their Kids Life Lessons, and Stop Teaching Them How To Be Victims". I think we ALL need to THINK a little DIFFERENT>
so while its sad that it turned out this way, let's look at another way things could have gone.
apple accepts the letter and as it turns out whatever function or idea the 9 year old had was already in plan to be added to the ipod. months later the new ipod comes out, and this time the 9 year old's, parents lawyer sends a letter saying "you took my idea and I want x million dollars"
dang lawyers ruin everything.
Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:44 am Subject: TV Station will be busy for next 10 years
In two years (age 11), she will be on TV when she gets upset because the other kids are noticing that she's starting to grow boobs.
In four years (age 13), she will be on TV when she gets upset her pet gerble she's had since 4th grade dies.
In six years (age 15), she will be on TV when she gets upset that nobody asked her to the homecoming dance.
In seven years (age 16), she will be on TV when she gets upset realizing that sweet-16 doesn't mean a driver's license or a new car, and even if it did mean a new car, it would probably mean a used Saturn.
In nine years (age 18), she will be on TV when she gets upset that her boyfriend wants to smoke crack at Senior Prom and that she has to put up with it because all her friends will be in the limo with them.
In ten years (age 19), she will be on TV when she gets upset that Cal State Vacaville won't accept her into its Fast Food Register Management Major.
The only winner in this scenario is the TV station.
It has been touched on-but really-who are these parents? They just taught a fairly vile lesson to their little girl. If you don't get what you want or expect from any given unsolicited thing you do-whine to the media. Don't get the grade you want in school-whine to the Dean. What is this-a nation of whiners There is a price for hypersensitivity. I'm sure Apple's personal appology didn't satisfy them either. Those gestures never do with people like this. While I'm at it, shame on the media too-the story editor at that station needs a kick-in-the-ass! Blaw!
Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:22 pm Subject: Do you some cheese with that whine?
As so many have said, this child has been taught that whining is the way to get what you want. The fact that Apple called should have been enough. I had my 15 year old daughter read this and she said Apple should have called the little and told her to get a life. I have taught my children thathard work and perserverance will get you what youi want, and whining will get you nowhere. This kind of crap in the media undermines the efforts of parents like me who do not want to contribute to a generation of whiners.
Those parents are painfully naive, and CBS 13 was grossly irresponsible in raking up emotions over such a meaningless issue. Whining about Steve Jobs' lack of response to a 9-year-old's suggested improvements is the best they could do? Seriously. Are they honestly trying to make the American public even dumber by diverting valuable time away from real issues? What about the lack of response in our elected officials? Unlike Steve Jobs, our elected officials are supposed to be working for us. Has anyone who has written their Senator or Representative ever received anything besides a form letter from them? Just another example of whining about that cat caught in the dumster while the nation goes down the tubes. (Sorry, the vendetta there got a little out of control.)
Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:33 pm Subject: If you wanna be mad at someone...
You are so right. Our legal system is clogged nearly to the point of exploding with frivilous lawsuits, and one of the roots of that problem is the same as this little girl and her parents getting so upset. America has this reputation of being this great land of plenty, where anyone (even non-citizens) can get what they want, whenever they want it. We've got fast food, movies on demand, cell phones, and all sorts of other things that make our desires easily fulfilled. The problem with this is that, generation after generation, people are viewing these things more and more like basic rights instead of perks. Kids aren't being taught that life isn't fair. Certainly an increased degree of sensitivity is needed when trying to explain things to children, but being so hypersensitive is giving us this little girl: someone who whines to the media when a faceless corporation doesn't alter their daily routine to write her back personally. If this trend continues, the image of our nation will change from that of an inovative land of opportunity to a big damn collection of petulant children. And at that point, everything will come crumbling down...
"Our legal system is clogged nearly to the point of exploding with frivilous lawsuits..."
Can you cite any data to back this up?
Yes, I agree that it was ridiculous for those parents to call a TV station over what happened. But I don't get where this idea comes from that frivolous lawsuits are choking our legal system.
Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:49 pm Subject: Why didn't this family sue?
I think that under- not over- reacted. It is clear that this offensive reply from Apple has trampled this poor girl's civil rights. They should have sued! I'm sure there is a law firm licking their chops at the thought of forming a class from the recipients of similar letters and trying to tap into Apple's cash reserves.
Sheesh.
Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:49 pm Subject: Re: The Parents are to blame
QuoteAnonymous wrote:
...shame on the media too-the story editor at that station needs a kick-in-the-ass! Blaw!
The media love it when they get a chance to trash a well known and/or successful person or company. They make a field day out of it.
And with Apple being at its peak now, hey just looove to do some trashing and critisizing.
So, I'm guessing either you people were never 9 years old, OR, alternately, that if you were you never got over the fact that all the other kids called you names or something. Shite.
She wrote a letter and got back a Legal Form. I think that her parents should have prepared her better. Talked about what kinds of responses that a company can send back and why they do that. Not just let her walk into it blind. They didn't call for a boycott, they're not on hunger strike, they didn't sue. They were pissed. Imagine that.
_Having_ said that, Apple's response DID suck. I know why they do that, but the fact is, if my daughter sent a letter to the U.S. President, and she talked about keeping our country safe, I would be shocked to get a letter from the Department of Justice back. Same thing. She would get back a nice "form letter' that thanked her for her time.
Why? Because companies have people who handle this kind of thing, or at least they're supposed to.
Apple screwed up, it's O.K. They'll hopefully improve because of this. That's how you learn. And the little girl will learn that companies make mistakes.
Here's why it stinks. It stinks because — and I own several Macs — it shatters any fantasy that Apple is anything more than a corporation that makes stuff.
When I was a kid, I once sent a fan letter to Kenner Toys, with some of my favorite Spirograph designs tucked in. In response, I got a signed letter from someone in the company, complete with a pack of refill paper and an updated list of instructions for making cool new patterns.
When i was a kid, i sent a letter to General Mills telling them how much I liked "Bugles" snack crackers, and they sent me a coupon good for a free bag and a thank you note saying how much they liked hearing from kids.
So, yes, I'm bummed for this kid.
And if Steve doesn't want to get criticized for stuff like this, then he can stop slathering his personality all over the corporate branding and coming out on stage at Macworld like a rock star. But if you put yourself out there like that, then when the company makes a crappy move like this, you ought to take responsibility for it. This girl should get a new iPod and 100 free songs for her trouble. Or, when I was growing up in the 60's, she might have…
Grumpy mode off.
When I was around her age (8 or 9), I wrote to Apple with some questions and ideas. I also included a photo of myself in an Apple-logo Halloween costume I used one year; maybe it was that last bit that did it, but I didn't get such a cold response. In fact, I received a personal response from a woman who, if I remember correctly, was a secretary or spokeswoman close to Steve Jobs, and I was invited to Cupertino, where she gave me and my family a personal tour of the campus. Obviously they can't do that for every kid who writes to them, but it's too bad they handled it so coldly like this. On the other hand, the girl's parents should have known better than to have expected a friendly personal respponse or something, and I think they were being unreasonable by getting the media involved.
Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:31 pm Subject: News cast displayed sections of letter out of context.
I checked out the news cast via the provided link. The station panned over what seemed to be the actual letter. By pausing the newscast and reading the available text, I formed the strong opininon that the letter from Apple actually explained why they don't accept unsolicited ideas. To include misunderstandings over the source of an idea. The news cast painted the letter in the worst light. Feel free to check it out....
15 years ago, I sent email to Steve Jobs [then at NeXT Computer], offering suggestions on how to improve some aspect of the product. I don't remember the suggestions - maybe something to do with Mail.app. I did get a personalized response back from Steve, thanking me for my suggestions and even offering me a job. It really was a memorable experience - much more pleasant than this little girl's experience.
Dear ____________ with sugar and spice and everything nice!
Thank you for your letter! It was very nice of you to take the time to write us! We are very happy to hear from you!
Your ideas are insanely great!
But Apple sadly has a policy of not accepting ideas.
We do not want anyone to feel sad or mad that we used their idea without permission. That would be wrong. We want to avoid this oopsy so we ask people to not send us their ideas just in case Apple already has a similar idea or strategy. We have a page with more information. It contains big words so ask your mommy and daddy to help explain them to you.
http://www.apple.com/legal/policies/ideas.html
We hope that you understand. We do appreciate you took the time to write to us. It makes us very happy.
We have included some Apple stickers for you to enjoy. Please take care of yourself and have a nice day.
Sincerely,
Apple Computer
It sucks, but television news these days is mostly Entertainment Tonight-style presentation by over-groomed non-journalists, tabloid style "news", fluff, happy talk, eye-ball kicks and news-bite quotes from politicians who have been spoon fed by their handlers and couldn't put together a coherent sentence on their own. It's a bunch of sound and fury signifying nothing. All the better to distract people from reality that might send them to the polls or offend advertisers. Perky Katy Couric becoming a major network's news anchor says it all. "Good night and good luck" indeed!
Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:14 pm Subject: That's it: don't encourage 'em
http://cbs5.com/investigates/local_story_103023852.html
Actual news clip. Girl had suggested things like lyrics on the iPod so people could sing along. Already exists on her nano and the video.
I sent a similar letter to the Ford Motor Co. when I was about 10--a design for a car that, oddly enough, looked a lot like the Ford Maverick they produced about a half-dozen years later. Chevy had an actual program to send in designs, but Ford was my favorite car company so I sent it to them. They sent me a form letter in reply saying pretty much what Apple said to the 3rd grader. It's 40 years later and I'm OK, I'm OK, I'm OK, OK, OK, OK...I really am. Wow! wish I'd have thought about the TV station thing ![]()
Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:23 am Subject: Frivolous suits are mostly corporate
QuoteGuest wrote:
You are so right. Our legal system is clogged nearly to the point of exploding with frivilous lawsuits
and most of them are filed by corporations against other corporations. Corporate lawsuits are what clog the courts, not individual suits.
Few individuals have the money to pay for a frivolous lawsuit. If it is truly frivolous, no attorney will take it unless paid up front. They're not going to do it for a only a percentage of the "take" unless they have a lot of confidence that they'll win. Also, if it is truly frivolous, a judge can toss it out without judgement and charge the complaintant for the court's time.
Quotewraithe wrote:
_Having_ said that, Apple's response DID suck. I know why they do that, but the fact is, if my daughter sent a letter to the U.S. President, and she talked about keeping our country safe, I would be shocked to get a letter from the Department of Justice back. Same thing. She would get back a nice "form letter' that thanked her for her time.
Not even close to the same thing. Apple HAS to respond that way or face a potential lawsuit in the future, as others have said. Such letters don't get past the legal department, so the management can legitimately say that they didn't see the ideas.
I've worked with young people for over 35 years. There's far too much concern today about kids' "failing." I'm sorry, but failure is part of life. (OTOH, one should NEVER set up a child for failure.) I remember a conversation with a parent who didn't want her 10-year-old daughter playing soccer because, "Her team might lose."
Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:34 am Subject: False analogy #2
Quoterebbi wrote:
When I was a kid, I once sent a fan letter to Kenner Toys, with some of my favorite Spirograph designs tucked in. In response, I got a signed letter from someone in the company, complete with a pack of refill paper and an updated list of instructions for making cool new patterns.
When i was a kid, i sent a letter to General Mills telling them how much I liked "Bugles" snack crackers, and they sent me a coupon good for a free bag and a thank you note saying how much they liked hearing from kids.
Your letters did not contain product ideas/suggestions. THAT is the big difference. If she had written a letter saying how much she liked the Nano, she probably would have received a letter like you did.
How's this for an analogy: When I was a kid, I sent a letter to a stamp company with 25 cents. I got a whole lot of stamps back!
See the point?
QuoteGuest wrote:
Dear ____________ with sugar and spice and everything nice!![]()
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Thank you for your letter! It was very nice of you to take the time to write us! We are very happy to hear from you!![]()
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Your ideas are insanely great!But Apple sadly has a policy of not accepting ideas.
We do not want anyone to feel sad or mad that we used their idea without permission. That would be wrong. We want to avoid this oopsy so we ask people to not send us their ideas just in case Apple already has a similar idea or strategy. We have a page with more information. It contains big words so ask your mommy and daddy to help explain them to you.
http://www.apple.com/legal/policies/ideas.html
We hope that you understand. We do appreciate you took the time to write to us. It makes us very happy.![]()
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We have included some Apple stickers for you to enjoy. Please take care of yourself and have a nice day.
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Sincerely,
Apple Computer
Yes, exactly. It wouldn't kill them to do something like this.
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