I find this very unlikely.

resease 10.5 when it's ready. Vista support can wait for 10.5.1

The people who are switchers will not need Vista right away. Why not release 10.5 in the spring, and then upgrade Boot Camp later? 90% of Mac users don't use Windows anything, so who cares?

This has to be wrong. The idea is for Windows users to switch to OSX. One they've gone to Vista they aren't going to switch again, or at least not at any time soon.

Maybe not officially - but my colleague is running Vista ultimate on his iMac CD and the only thing that is not working is the iSight... so I can't see that we are talking "really big, months of delays" type of stuff here...

I cannot see that "His Steveness" is gonna hold back the Mac just so people who want Vista can have it from day one...

Leopard could be held back for any number of reasons but that one is highly unlikely to be one of em in my view...

I don't think Vista support should or would be a priority for Apple to delay leopard. Most people don't like Vista anyways and use XP Pro for boot camp.
I think this is non-sense and not a leopard delaying feature. Apple if you
are listening release leopard and add the Vista compatability later because no one really cares and would rather have leopard now than wait if the delay is only about Vista. It's just totally silly to me.

If it's "really NOT ready" better to slip than ship. I could see a roll out of the final set of features at WWDC with a new seed to developers with a "later" ship date. With this major release I will expect to see some .1 .2 releases as we move along. my .02 cents

Even IF the Bootcamp with Vista isn't ready, the switchers would have to wait, with or without Leopard, so why would Apple make it's hard core Mac users wait?

Apple does not even support Vista on iTunes or QuickTime yet. So delaying the Mac OS over some Minor Vista compatibility does not make sense. Apple does not care about Vista at this point, and the same goes for most people who want to use Windows at this point in Time.

Apple primary focus is the Mac experience, not making sure that you can run Vista, flawlessly on your mac hardware out of the box. And Besides there are tricks already to get Vista running on Bootcamp, for the diehards who want it now...

i Think Leopard launch 17 Abril.

As a developer, I've been getting all of the seeds. I only boot it long enough to test what I need and then go back to 10.4. I'm in no big hurry. There are no compelling features that make me want to switch. Some of the bugs (notably calculating disk space incorrectly on my NFS server volumes) make me afraid to use it. I don't use Safari or Mail.app - I use firefox & gmail, so any new features in those applications don't make any difference to me.

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resease 10.5 when it's ready. Vista support can wait for 10.5.1

Yes, Apple will hit his promise, and will release the new OS within this spring, the Vista support will be released when ready.

Hi guys

Apple said they would release leopard in the spring... Spring ends towards the end of June... Look for Leopard to be released at Apple's World Wide Developers conference. All this other speculation is just nuts and stupidity. iPhone probably runs a version of Leopard. They aren't delaying anything.. They just aren't releasing the information that you want so you are going to speculate and manipulate stock prices.
SPRING>>>> SPRING>>>>> SPRING---- it ends in June.

While it would be nice to have it ship in April I've never considered that very realistic. The spring quarter goes through June right? I just hope it's out by WWDC (I wish I could afford to go!) any earlier would be a welcome bonus.

my friends, FUD. Is it any coincidence this news follows on the heels of another FUD piece claiming that Vista is the most secure OS? I think not.

Anyone who seriously believes that Apple would delay its flagship operating system by SIX MONTHS to be compatible with Windows Vista (or even Windows XP), a feature mind you that has only existed for less than a year, has a fascinatingly distorted view of the universe, and I'd like to pick that person's brain for a while -- maybe I will discover more interesting bizarro reasoning, like maybe they think that America's founding fathers delayed the Revolution by a few years so that the centennial celebrations wouldn't conflict with Canada's.

Do lollipops lick forever in your world? Thought so...

At WWDC 2006, Steve belabored the point of microsoft delaying Longhorn's release and then dropping it back due to 'unexpected issues.' He mentioned that Leopard would be in the spring.

If Leopard's release is dropped back due to unexpected issues with Longhorn compatibility ... well I think there's an Alanis Morrissette song about that...

Don'tcha think?

Ha ha ha, now don't do it again.

Seriously as people have already said why on earth would they delay Leopard just cause of one app, Boot Camp can be updated later along with the drivers to go with it.

Leopard will be out by June, I doubt next month, but one thing people haven't maybe thought of is that Apple may have a more advanced build in house that they are not releasing to outside testers and that includes other secret features we havent seen yet (if there are any other big new features that is).

Release 10.5 when it's ready. Add some new features and thoroughly test them. Patch all holes. Make sure network and driver support is tested with vendors.

I would like to see a rewrite of the desktop for speed and reliability. Improved speed and support for multiprocessors. We are going to have 10.5 for 2-3 years, so Apple must make multiprocessor efficiency a major focus, since MP is here to stay. Before 10.5 is superceded by 10.6, we'll have 8proc laptops, and 32core desktops. MP effeciency in the kernel is a must!

Give us a 10.5.2 quality with the initial 10.5.0 release, even if it delays the launch by 2 months. I would rather see a very stable, solid, bug-free, and secure release, than something that is pushed out the door, just because.

Are there are valid reasons to push 10.5 out the door asap anyway?

I haven't tried the shipping version of Vista but RC1 ran great under Bootcamp, and this was 4 months ago. I had to search for a few drivers but it was hardly a deal breaker. Gasp! Sounds like the ANALists don't know what they are talking about. I mean you don't really even need the bootcamp software to run Windows, Vista or XP, Try booting from a Windows installer disk by holding down the "C" key. It'll boot right up. Bootcamp simply allows you to create the partitions necessary to have both Mac and Win.

and it's Microsoft's fault.

suddenly my world feels like an MC Escher print.

Michael Gartenberg states that he talked with Apple about this and that Leopard is still scheduled to ship this spring.

The stars are all aligning on a Leopard release at WWDC in June. We will also see new Macs introduced then, and learn that MultiTouch is one of those Top Secret features of Leopard… and is for Macs as well as the iPhone (and undoubtedly, the next generation of iPods).

We will also find that Leopard integrates quite nicely with the iPhone (so nicely that PeeCee abusers will be green with envy).

I have had no problems running Vista under Boot Camp so I question that this is the reason for the delay. I am also a developer testing Leopard and can confirm that it is full of bugs and very unstable. I am finding it hard to develop under Leopard cause it keeps crashing and having kernal panics. Every new build still looks like a copy of Tiger but with a few extra add-ons, some important, others insignificant. But having been developing Apple products for 10 years now I know from experience they are good to their developers and like to surprise their users! Be patient.

"God grant me patience...and I need it NOW!"

I have had every seed released and Leopard is no where near ready for release. Many holes and bugs.

It's sad that Apple can't admit that they are not ready. And after all the sabotaging that they are doing to 10.4.x to force us to 10.5! Now that's really pulling (dragging) the horse after the cart. Since the horse is near death.

To all of you who are testing Leopard and commenting on this board. Doesn't the NDA prohibit you from talking about the OS?

other than for mac enthusiasts, who would wait until the seas rise in any case, who will care if leopard is delayed by several months. i agree with the poster who said that a rock-solid release is more important.

my guess is that leopard will not quite be insanely greater than tiger, and a buggy release could kill acceptance of the new system, and pause new mac sales. better to announce all the new products first, then leopard.

Why in the world would Apple delay their flag-ship for something that already works?

Apple, delay their own opperating system so that it can run Microsofts opperating system. And by four months!?

Wait. What? This is like Microsoft delaying Vista because iTunes was not ready.

Who-in-the-world sucked this out of what?

Really illogical considering the early adopters of Vista are probably the least likely to switch to a Mac.

Delay the OS EVERYBODY WANTS to ensure compatibility with the OS NOBODY WANTS......... that's selling poorly, has been reviewed almost universally poorly and has been banned by certain segments of the US government?

Yes, just like Apple has been delaying updates to iTunes 'cause it's not Vista-ready.

Oh, wait....

To read this, one might actually think Vista was relevant, or something.

Too much opium in Taiwan, perhaps??

Roughlydrafted.com. This guy hits the nail on the head regarding all the wild rumors sprouting up everywhere... And how the idea that Apple would delay OS X for Vista is laughable.

Leopard, Vista and the Boot Camp Delay Myth
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/5209A3EE-03DE-42CA-8A27-55DBF41C6F5D.html

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my friends, FUD. Is it any coincidence this news follows on the heels of another FUD piece claiming that Vista is the most secure OS? I think not.

If you are refering to the Symantec "research" I couldn't agree more. To use a methodology that ignores all the unpatched Windows exploits that exist in the wild is pure ass-kissing if you ask me.

As for this news aricle - pure BS

From Apple's perspective, I'm pretty sure that the goal of Boot Camp and similar technologies is that they become less useful the longer someone owns a Mac.

Boot Camp is an introductory technique - "You can have your cake and eat it too". But Apple doesn't want long-term users running dual boot; they want them running OS X. Boot Camp is there so that users convinced that they need Windows can still buy a Mac and still use OS X. And once they're in, they will hopefully find they switch out less and less often.

So getting Boot Camp right is important, but it's not a "core feature".