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Apple and Google WWDC Whammy

Apple and Google WWDC Whammy

by , 5:10 PM EDT, June 8th, 2007

Google is gaining strength from its Internet apps. Apple's biggest weakness is its reliance on Microsoft Office. Steve Jobs has said that .Mac is going to catch up. Perhaps a marriage of Google Internet apps and .Mac is the perfect competitive instrument, all according to InfoWorld on Friday.

Apple is likely to say a lot about Leopard at WWDC, but when one examines the gaps in Apple's application line up, there appears to be a serious hole. First, Macintosh users have had no really great substitute for MS Office. Second, iWork has not been updated in 18 months. Third, Steve Jobs admitted recently that .Mac hasn't achieved all that it could. Finally, Google, a friendly Apple partner, has been making headway with its Internet-based Google e-mail, maps, spreadsheet, and document management. But they need help too.

"That's why I think Jobs will take the stage at WWDC next week and announce that Apple and Google are going to team up to bring Google Apps to .Mac customers," Seth Weintraub wrote.

Connecting the dots, it all seems so logical.

Google has lots of cheap, fast storage. "It also has the ability and desire to monetize it," Mr. Weinstrab noted. "Gmail has won the battle against .Mac's mail for most Macintosh users. As for calendar/IM/address book integration, disk space, and spam detection, Google wins most of the battles hands down."

Looking at the strengths and weaknesses of each company, the author noted, "Google needs a Keynote type of presentation tool; Apple needs a spreadsheet tool to round out their Office competition. Each has what the other needs."

So when Steve Jobs says, "Just one more thing" on Monday, it could very well be the result of a long period of gestation, intended delay of Leopard and iWork, the fix needed for .Mac, Web 2.0 collaboration with Google, all combining to create the perfect storm.

Maybe.

Or, TMO notes, the Just One More Thing could refer to a free iPhone under everyone's seat in the WWDC audience.

Or not.

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Close Name:Sir Harry Flashman Posts: 792 Joined: 08 Feb 2007
Subject: If so then...

I would like to keep my @mac.com addresses instead of @gmail.com. It just seems a little more legitimate than the free email accounts that get bounced back to you after a few months. Also we need to keep the one-click ease of publishing photo albums and movies to .mac

If this deal, if there is a deal, comes to fruition then it is another salvo into the decks of MicroSoft who can't seem to get the range lately.

Close Name:YodaMac Posts: 29 Joined: 21 Mar 2007
Subject: @mac.com

Same here. I like having @mac.com as my email address. Would be a shame to see that go away for something Googly. I just hope this means improvements to .Mac, but not it's demise.

Close Name:Terrin Posts: 414 Joined: 29 Jan 2006
Subject:

Google already offers a service in which a company can use gmail, but with its own domain. As such, it seems Apple could easily use gmail using .Mac.

However, Mac users can already use Google apps (just not with Safari in some cases), so for me to pay for that, something real special would have to be added because there are plenty of hosting services out there that offer much more for less then what Apple charges. I can rent a hundred GBs of space, the ability to host five domains, and can have 50 email address for less.

For what is worth, I think Google's applications are a nice idea, but not very impressive, especially Doc (with the exception of Sketchup, which is a great application). However, I think many companies would use these application and ditch Office if Google could develop them more. So, it would be nice if Apple perhaps teamed up with Google to improve Google's applications.

Also, Google's CEO mentioned that Apple is weak in the super computing department, however, if I remember correctly Apple just bought a data center.

Close Name:Sir Harry Flashman Posts: 792 Joined: 08 Feb 2007
Subject: Google apps

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Terrin wrote:
However, I think many companies would use these application and ditch Office if Google could develop them more. So, it would be nice if Apple perhaps teamed up with Google to improve Google's applications.

Also, Google's CEO mentioned that Apple is weak in the super computing department, however, if I remember correctly Apple just bought a data center.


Office, especially Word, is as entrenched as the iPod. Any Office killer, or even competitor, would have to be 100% compatible with Office docs, not mention cheaper. However, MicroSoft does not make it easy to be compatible with Office.

Apple recently bought a data center? The plot thickens.

Close Name:Guest
Subject: Push Email!

One thing I'm expecting is .Mac will be able to push EMail to the iPhone. They already announced Yahoo will do this, but .Mac already has IMAP EMail and wouldn't it be stupid if it didn't work exceptionally well with the iPhone? I have other predictions for the keynpte too, lots of them, <a href="http://www.myallo.com/article?artid=2513027">here</a>.

Close Name:Guest
Subject: Apps

NeoOffice is looking good these days

Close Name:burrito Posts: 177 Joined: 07 Aug 2005
Subject:

.mac may not be *great*, but its not *bad*, either. i am actually rather happy with my dot mac account, to the end that i've been willing to throw down $99.99 on it for the past three consecutive years. the email service is decent, interoperability with ilife is nice, and i absolutely adore having easy access to my idisk through the finder. i use that constantly for sharing files. certainly beats photobucket.. and yes, as several of you have already said, it's pretty damn cool to have @mac.com as your email domain.

Close Name:yoyo52 Posts: 1174 Joined: 02 Feb 2002
Subject:

My college has been negotiating with Google to have our webmail facilities subsumed under gmail. What Google promises is that we can keep our .edu addresses. I don't see why the same wouldn't be possible with mac.com addresses.

Sorry--didn't see Terrin's post before I chimed in.

Close Name:gslusher Posts: 2088 Joined: 13 Nov 2002
Subject: Use BBCode

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Guest wrote:
One thing I'm expecting is .Mac will be able to push EMail to the iPhone. They already announced Yahoo will do this, but .Mac already has IMAP EMail and wouldn't it be stupid if it didn't work exceptionally well with the iPhone? I have other predictions for the keynpte too, lots of them, <a href=&quot;http://www.myallo.com/article?artid=2513027&quot;>here</a>.


This forum, like many others, uses BBCode. Use square brackets [], not pointy brackets<>, and the tag is not "a href," but "url=" If you'd take the time to register, you can get to a page that describes all the BBCode tags. They're easier to use than HTML.

Close Name:Terrin Posts: 414 Joined: 29 Jan 2006
Subject:

It is too slow for me, and the Word support isn't great.


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Guest wrote:
NeoOffice is looking good these days

Close Name:Terrin Posts: 414 Joined: 29 Jan 2006
Subject:

I think most Mac users can get buy without Word compatibility just because we can easily print to PDF. I actual prefer this to sending out Word files to people. For instance, I am job hunting and I sent a resume to myself because I wanted to borrow my friend's Windows laptop (my iBook just lost its third logic board). When I opened the resume on his computer using Word the formatting was all off even though the fonts and margins were the same. With PDF I do not have to worry about that.

The problem is more when Windows users want to give us files.

Yes, Apple bought a data center. Apparently, it is a nice one too.

http://sanjose.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2006/02/27/story5.html

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Sir Harry Flashman wrote:

Office, especially Word, is as entrenched as the iPod. Any Office killer, or even competitor, would have to be 100% compatible with Office docs, not mention cheaper. However, MicroSoft does not make it easy to be compatible with Office.

Apple recently bought a data center? The plot thickens.

Close Name:Terrin Posts: 414 Joined: 29 Jan 2006
Subject:

I guess I feel about .Mac like I do about AOL, I just outgrew it. Sure, there is some useful functionality, but it is over priced and there are options out there with overall better usefulness and value for the money (e.g. I use Bluehost). Giving up the .Mac address was the hardest part of the decision for me to drop .Mac.


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burrito wrote:
.mac may not be *great*, but its not *bad*, either. i am actually rather happy with my dot mac account, to the end that i've been willing to throw down $99.99 on it for the past three consecutive years. the email service is decent, interoperability with ilife is nice, and i absolutely adore having easy access to my idisk through the finder. i use that constantly for sharing files. certainly beats photobucket.. and yes, as several of you have already said, it's pretty damn cool to have @mac.com as your email domain.

Close Name:Guest
Subject: $100

The worst thing about having a .mac address? You're announcing to the world that you're a chump willing to fork over $100 a year for a $20 service.

Close Name:Guest
Subject: Desktop Google Apps

The logical combination would be the ability for iWork applications to share files with Google Docs. It would start with Pages to auto sync Google Docs and Pages files that could be edited on or off line within Pages, or online anywhere within Google Docs.

This would expand to Keynote once Google has a presentation application, and spreadsheets when Apple has this app.

Apple users would get free online access to docs, and Google would get an embedded Google search box in iWork apps.

Close Name:yoyo52 Posts: 1174 Joined: 02 Feb 2002
Subject: Re: $100

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Anonymous wrote:
The worst thing about having a .mac address? You're announcing to the world that you're a chump willing to fork over $100 a year for a $20 service.


Only if you don't know enough to buy .Mac from some discount seller.

Close Name:YankInOz Posts: 9 Joined: 18 Mar 2007
Subject: .mac

I have had .mac since day one... friends (and enemies), relatives and business associates know this as my email address. And I like the seamless integration with the finder and other Apple applications.

While I have a GMail account - I do not like so many things about it - that the only thing I use it for now is to assign it to websites where I know I will be spammed. Also, I prefer my email files on my local drive - so I can back it up and no one else has copies floating in the clouds.

Cloudware as lovely as it is, takes me one more step to an Orwellian "Big Brother" observing my every move. I am not at all comfortable with it - even if it is called Web 2.0.

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