http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/acer-hates-windows-vista/

Interesting enough.

Any idea of which, if any, PC makers are still around from the mid-'80s, other than Apple?

I think this move will benefit Dell, HP, and Apple because usually when companies merge like this they do not maintain all their customers.

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Any idea of which, if any, PC makers are still around from the mid-'80s, other than Apple?

Amstrad
Atari
Dell
Epson
Fujitsu
Genesi
Hewlett-Packard
IBM
NCR
NEC Corporation
Silicon Graphics, Inc
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Texas Instruments
Tulip Computers NV

Amstrad -- Europe only
Atari -- nope, games only (plus several changes of ownership)
Dell
Epson -- no computers
Fujitsu
Genesi -- wow, no; Power-based development, no general purpose PCs, established in 2000
Hewlett-Packard
IBM -- no PCs in North America
NCR -- no PCs in North America
NEC Corporation
Silicon Graphics, Inc -- bankrupt last year
Sun Microsystems, Inc. -- not a PC maker
Texas Instruments -- not a PC maker
Tulip Computers NV -- Europe only

4 out of 14 isn't so good, daemon

I think the question would have been better stated as:

How many PC makers from the '90s are still making PCs?

hah...this isn't good. I work in the building doing tech support for Gateway in Utah!! I hope this doesn't mean we're going to be out of jobs.

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Amstrad -- Europe only

So what?

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Atari -- nope, games only (plus several changes of ownership)

They still exsist

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Dell
Epson -- no computers

Epson makes computers, as point of sale devices, but they're still computers.

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Fujitsu
Genesi -- wow, no; Power-based development, no general purpose PCs, established in 2000

So what, they're still computers.

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Hewlett-Packard
IBM -- no PCs in North America

Servers, workstations, and supercomputers all count.

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NCR -- no PCs in North America

I work on NCR devices, they count as computers

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NEC Corporation
Silicon Graphics, Inc -- bankrupt last year

They didn't go out of business.

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Sun Microsystems, Inc. -- not a PC maker

Servers count.

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Texas Instruments -- not a PC maker

Makes the most widely utilized computer parts for consumer electronics in the world.

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Tulip Computers NV -- Europe only

What is with you and Europe?

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4 out of 14 isn't so good, daemon

I'll give you Atari, since they did change hands a few times and ceased hardware sales. But it's bullshit to discount companies that operate outside the US, and if you're going to discount anything this isn't a PC, then Apple doesn't count either.

C'mon, daemon. You know they were referring to PCs, as in Personal Computers. Servers do not count as personal computers. Neither do POS machines. Or the parts (TI).

Apple does make personal computers, as in computers for sale for individual use, as well as servers and workstations.

"A personal computer (PC) is a computer whose price, size, and capabilities make it useful for individuals." -wiki


True, not fair to exclude European manufacturers, but I believe Genesi was excluded because they were founded in 2000, not the '90s (semantics).

See the restatement of the question.

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Intruder wrote:
True, not fair to exclude European manufacturers, but I believe Genesi was excluded because they were founded in 2000, not the '90s (semantics).

See the restatement of the question.

Actually, my original question referred to the mid '80s, e.g., 1984-1986.

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gslusher wrote:

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Intruder wrote:
True, not fair to exclude European manufacturers, but I believe Genesi was excluded because they were founded in 2000, not the '90s (semantics).

See the restatement of the question.

Actually, my original question referred to the mid '80s, e.g., 1984-1986.

Oops! You are exactly correct. Misread the date. However, I believe (correct me if I am wrong), that you did intend to ask about personal computer manufacturers and whether they are still in the PC business, correct?

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Intruder wrote:
C'mon, daemon. You know they were referring to PCs, as in Personal Computers. Servers do not count as personal computers. Neither do POS machines. Or the parts (TI).

Apple does make personal computers, as in computers for sale for individual use, as well as servers and workstations.

"A personal computer (PC) is a computer whose price, size, and capabilities make it useful for individuals." -wiki


True, not fair to exclude European manufacturers, but I believe Genesi was excluded because they were founded in 2000, not the '90s (semantics).

See the restatement of the question.

Bah. Are you telling me that I'm the only one with a Sun UltraSPARC I in my living room for pure fun and games?

Probably!

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Probably!

Darn.

This story supports what Apple has been doing in limiting the options to its product line.

* The problem for Gateway/eMachines is that they tried to get into too many different markets. They tried to appeal to every kind of computer buyer, including gamers. That is what led to less revenue and no profit. Why? Because they were competing with much bigger companies, Dell & HP. Or much more focused companies; Acer, Lenovo and Apple.

* Success in the middle tier PC companies is shown by Apple, Acer and Lenovo. What they offer from what I can see is middle of the road in terms of performance. (They don't cater to gamers for instance.)

* There are a lot of gamers who post on the web that Apple should have more computer models and offer all sorts of graphic cards. To me the final message of this move by Acer is that not every computer company can get into the gamer market. In fact some successful smaller/middle tier companies; Acer, Lenovo and Apple, are doing well by focusing their product lines to specific markets rather than trying to sell machines to everyone which Gateway unsuccessfully tried to do.

imho at least, BB

No matter how hard you try, you can't polish a turd. You can however, mash up two small turds and make one big corny stinker though.

Your one of the two, me being the other one!

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daemon wrote:

Bah. Are you telling me that I'm the only one with a Sun UltraSPARC I in my living room for pure fun and games?

Hahaha my work still makes the programmers use Ultra 10s. If your name isn't Dmitry then you aren't the only one.

IBM thru Lenovo. Still Big Blue (I still love my old orignal IBM Thinkpad)

Not entirely true, IBM has a 18.9% equity stake in Lenovo (or at least did with the initial sale). Lenovo can use the IBM name on the hardware until 2010. Not sure you can really say that IBM is manufacturing under Lenovo, as they are a minority stakeholder.