YAY!

If we can, G-G-G-G-r-r-r-e-e-e-e-a-a-a-a-a-a-t-t-t-t-t-t-t!

Hey, there better be a spot-changing option somewhere inside System Preference!

Guest, now celebrating yet another nonsense, yet on-topic post...

Oh come on, you missed a perfect opportunity for the perfect headling.

Wait in line at the Apple retail store and maybe get some Leopard related swag or order online maybe get the OS earlier than 6:00 PM on the 26th.

I'm not sure about the slogan though: "add a new mac to your mac". They could have done better than that.

Will Apple release an Update? Have they done that in the past?

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dlstarr7 wrote:
Will Apple release an Update? Have they done that in the past?

All Mac OS X releases are 'updates' or 'upgrades', since you are always installing it on a Mac (or should be).

So there's no separate upgrade vs full versions. One price for everything.

Will the Power PC version of Leopard be able to run the Classic environment?

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Will the Power PC version of Leopard be able to run the Classic environment?

Probably

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dlstarr7 wrote:
Will Apple release an Update? Have they done that in the past?

All Mac OS X releases are 'updates' or 'upgrades', since you are always installing it on a Mac (or should be).

So there's no separate upgrade vs full versions. One price for everything.

No. Education purchasers get it for quite a bit less. At the bookstore at the university where I teach it is $79 for students, staff, and faculty.

I don't think Tiger shipped with Classic. I think what will probably happen is you'll have to install classic seperately or do what I did, copy your classic directories over to some other drive, then copy them back once you do a clean install.

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I don't think Tiger shipped with Classic. I think what will probably happen is you'll have to install classic seperately or do what I did, copy your classic directories over to some other drive, then copy them back once you do a clean install.

thanks. I actually didn't even notice that Classic was missing from Tiger by default, as I had actually used Migration Assistant to move from an old G3 to a new G5 and it scooped up one or two Mac OS 9 system folders from the old machine and these allow me to activate Classic whenever needed.
I'm hoping that Classic will show up in Leopard's system prefs and that it will be able to recognise the OS 9 folders if I do an upgrade or archive and install.

I decided to I forgo waiting in line at one of the local Apple retail stores and gofor the online order. I ordered the 5 pack and will install it on at least 3 of my Macs.

I also have an iBook G3 that is still running Panther and will put my licensed copy of Tiger on that. Even though it doesn't meet the required system specs I may try installing Leopard.

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iVoid wrote:

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dlstarr7 wrote:
Will Apple release an Update? Have they done that in the past?

All Mac OS X releases are 'updates' or 'upgrades', since you are always installing it on a Mac (or should be).

So there's no separate upgrade vs full versions. One price for everything.

No. Education purchasers get it for quite a bit less. At the bookstore at the university where I teach it is $79 for students, staff, and faculty.

Read what iVoid wrote. There are no special "upgrade" prices. Period. Whatever price you pay--full price, $20 less on Amazon, educational price, whatever--the price you pay does NOT depend upon your already owning Tiger or any earlier version of OS X.

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Will the Power PC version of Leopard be able to run the Classic environment?

Latest indications are that Classic will be dead with Leopard. So, if you need Classic, keep Tiger.

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Anonymous wrote:
Will the Power PC version of Leopard be able to run the Classic environment?

Latest indications are that Classic will be dead with Leopard. So, if you need Classic, keep Tiger.

You can have both by putting a copy of Tiger and Classic on an external HD or a partition on your internal HD, if you have enough room. That way, if you need to use a Classic application, you can reboot into Tiger.

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Anonymous wrote:
Will the Power PC version of Leopard be able to run the Classic environment?

Latest indications are that Classic will be dead with Leopard. So, if you need Classic, keep Tiger.

You can have both by putting a copy of Tiger and Classic on an external HD or a partition on your internal HD, if you have enough room. That way, if you need to use a Classic application, you can reboot into Tiger.

That's good for people who use Classic programs occasionally, but re-booting isn't a practical solution for people who are need to use Classic alongside OS X everyday. Perhaps a third-party emulator?

Forgive my ignorance. I am genuinely trying to understand. What in the world are people still using that they need Classic on a daily basis?

The only things I've recently needed Classic for are old games like Lemmings and Myst. And certainly not on a daily basis.

Thanks.


- Jon

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Forgive my ignorance. I am genuinely trying to understand. What in the world are people still using that they need Classic on a daily basis?

The only things I've recently needed Classic for are old games like Lemmings and Myst. And certainly not on a daily basis.

I can think of several reasons:

1. Familiarity. I didn't start using OS X regularly until I got an iMac with Panther. My previous iMac G4 (one of the first) and iBook (late 2001) would both boot into OS 9, so it was easier to just use OS 9, which was actually a step up from what I had been using (OS 7.5.5). I didn't have to make such a big change in thinking to use OS 9 vs OS 10.1 (not to mention that 10.1 wasn't all that stable).

2. Software (and data) that they have for OS 9 (or earlier), but which is not available for OS X or the Intel Macs. Yes, most types of software have been updated, but some companies are out of business or have dropped products. For example, I have Corel Gallery II, a clip art library. The only way I can use the clip art is to go into Classic, run Corel's software, extract the clip art I need and export it as EPS, which Pages and AppleWorks can use. The art is in a proprietary format that Corel no longer supports. They have not released information about the format to anyone else, either. (I asked Thorsten Lemke, author of Graphic Converter. He has not been able to get their specs.)

There are cases where someone went to the trouble of developing vertical market software for OS 8, but then dropped it in favor of Windows. A local store I know still uses "flavored" iMacs running OS 9 for this reason. Their inventory and POS software are no longer available for any Mac OS. They would have to convert their records to a new format, which would be VERY expensive. Yes, they're living on borrowed time. The owner/founder retired and his kids took it over. I suggested that they hunt around for used iMac G4s that will boot into OS 9, just to keep going for a while. Eventually, they will have to bite the bullet. (They could keep a couple of old Macs around to access archived data.)

FWIW, that is not an unusual situation. The US federal government has huge masses of data stored on media whose access hardware is obsolete or even non-existent. (Anyone remember the large--8", I think--floppies from the early-mid '80s?)