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Heavy Leopard Pre-orders Caused by Vista

by , 2:20 PM EDT, October 19th, 2007

Some solution providers have reported that the pre-orders for Apple's Leopard are more than double for the same time prior to Tiger's release. They cite Leopard's new features and customer dissatisfaction with Vista as key drivers, according to ChannelWeb on Thursday.

"We've probably doubled the backorders of Leopard, compared to what we did with Tiger," said Patrick Brown, CEO of Brown Computer Solutions, in Brattleboro, Vermont, a solution provider and Apple specialist. "With the Intel Macs, Apple has significantly increased the installed base. We do expect a very successful launch."

Chris gear, the marketing director for Macforce in Portland, Oregon concurred that poor reviews of Vista have created a strong sales environment. "More than anything, it has to do with the biggest growth coming from 'switchers' -- people switching from the Windows platform," Mr. Gear said. He also pointed out that since Apple's switch to Intel, many of his customers don't even have to worry about choosing between Mac OS X or Windows. However, the pent up demand for a new Mac OS has driven the market as well, he noted.

While some solution providers were having trouble ordering Leopard, an almost festive atmosphere has surrounded the launch. Mr. Gear is planning a launch party and will give away stuffed leopards.

Yukio Tezuka, an Apple specialist at MacSensei in Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania, said he would give away leopard-skin computer mice. "Many people are calling us," he said and reported strong interest by customers. However, he was also cautious. "When Tiger came out, there was a lot of code being re-written (afterward.)," Mr. Tezuka said. "Those are the kinds of things we're afraid of."

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Subject: this seems ridiculous
Close Name:Tiger Posts: 981 Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Subject: I agree

somebody missed the boat on cause and effect here. The thread would better be focused on simple Pre-sales of Leopard.

Like the 15 copies I ordered today! Sweet.

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Subject: What?
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Subject: Is this an article?
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Subject: preposterous
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Close Name:macinnerd Posts: 1719 Joined: 15 Jun 2005
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Why dont people get it Apple is in the hardware business that make software to sell more hardware. OS X will never come on a pc because that would there will be no need to buy apple's iMac or MacBooks where apple makes its profits


Apple makes its money from hardware AND software, considering how high software margins are. It also has a much larger range of software products. But you're right: Apple wouldn't want to release OS X for PCs, as that would hurt Mac sales growth quite a bit.

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Subject: poooor vista
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Subject: Linux is not the alternative
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Subject: Accurate for some.
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Subject: OSX Basic (core) Edition for PC?
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:18 am — preposterous

The only people preordering Leopard are existing Mac owners, so dissatisfaction with Vista can't possibly have anything to do with it. how would "some solution providers" know anyway?

Anything to take another swipe at Microsoft, right? When will Apple and its community grow up?

Preorders are up because there's more Mac owners to preorder, Mac owners have to have the latest, and there's high demand because the product has been heavily advertised and is late. Vista sucking is irrelevant.
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:34 pm — Accurate for some.

My wife got a Mac earlier this year because of Vista suckage. it was time to upgrade, she didn't want to deal with Vista, so she got a Mac. Therefore, her pre-order of Leopard is due to Vista suckage. This makes the article accurate for some situations.

Since the last version of OSX, the market share of Macs have close to doubled. Half of this is since Vista came out. To say the two cannot be related at all is as absurd as saying the two are completely unrelated. This is at least some causation.
The second guest is right. I have a relative who is a PC enthusiast (not of M$), who builds his own computers. He has always used the latest M$ OS. He is now considering buying a Mac in part because of "Vista suckage". He has used my Mac on occasion and found that it can do everything his PC can do.

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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:18 am — preposterous

The only people preordering Leopard are existing Mac owners, so dissatisfaction with Vista can't possibly have anything to do with it. how would "some solution providers" know anyway?

Anything to take another swipe at Microsoft, right? When will Apple and its community grow up?

Preorders are up because there's more Mac owners to preorder, Mac owners have to have the latest, and there's high demand because the product has been heavily advertised and is late. Vista sucking is irrelevant.
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:34 pm — Accurate for some.

My wife got a Mac earlier this year because of Vista suckage. it was time to upgrade, she didn't want to deal with Vista, so she got a Mac. Therefore, her pre-order of Leopard is due to Vista suckage. This makes the article accurate for some situations.

Since the last version of OSX, the market share of Macs have close to doubled. Half of this is since Vista came out. To say the two cannot be related at all is as absurd as saying the two are completely unrelated. This is at least some causation.
The second guest is right. I have a relative who is a PC enthusiast (not of M$), who builds his own computers. He has always used the latest M$ OS. He is now considering buying a Mac in part because of "Vista suckage". He has used my Mac on occasion and found that it can do everything his PC can do.


I'm sorry, but a PC enthusiast builds his computers himself. Buying a premade PC (Apple or anything else) is typically anathema. Further, Apple continues to use sub enthusiast parts at enthusiast prices, which typically makes enthusiasts less than eager to purchase over-priced over-hyped hardware. To continue, being able to "do everything his PC can do" is only part of the equation, after all, my laptop can do everything my gaming rig can do, just not nearly as well. Further, I'm sure what you meant was that you can run Windows on your Mac allowing the Mac to run any software title out for Windows, this seems to me to defeat the entire purpose of buying a Mac, but I'm sure for every person that buys a Mac only to install Windows on it thrills the hell out of Microsoft.

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Subject: Asinine Statement
Close Name:burreyeann Posts: 1137 Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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I'm sorry, but a PC enthusiast builds his computers himself. Buying a premade PC (Apple or anything else) is typically anathema. Further, Apple continues to use sub enthusiast parts at enthusiast prices, which typically makes enthusiasts less than eager to purchase over-priced over-hyped hardware. To continue, being able to "do everything his PC can do" is only part of the equation, after all, my laptop can do everything my gaming rig can do, just not nearly as well. Further, I'm sure what you meant was that you can run Windows on your Mac allowing the Mac to run any software title out for Windows, this seems to me to defeat the entire purpose of buying a Mac, but I'm sure for every person that buys a Mac only to install Windows on it thrills the hell out of Microsoft.
No, I did not mean he was considering a Mac so he can run Windows. He is sick of Windows.

What exactly do you mean by "over-priced over-hyped hardware", you sound like Paul Thurrott.

Close Name:Sir Harry Flashman Posts: 750 Joined: 08 Feb 2007
Subject: Enthusiast?

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Further, Apple continues to use sub enthusiast parts at enthusiast prices, which typically makes enthusiasts less than eager to purchase over-priced over-hyped hardware.


What exactly do you mean by "over-priced over-hyped hardware", you sound like Paul Thurrott.


Furthermore what you do you (daemon) mean by "Apple continues to use sub enthusiast parts at enthusiast prices"

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Subject: new Mac user
Close Name:Sir Harry Flashman Posts: 750 Joined: 08 Feb 2007
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I am one of the halo effect numbers. After having purchased only my second mobile phone (my first was the first tri-band to appear), I am hooked likely for life on Macs. And I have an army colonel about to retire, his son and an air force sergeant who too want a phone like mine. They will likely wait for the phone (statoned in South America) but both men are thinking of following me and buying a Mac. If it is anything even half the fun of an iPhone, I'll be singing it's praises too!


Welcome Colonel! Why don't you sign up for screen name here. It doesn't cost anything, and it is a fun, as well as informative, site.

I retired from the Navy back in 1989.

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Subject: I believe it.
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Subject: Sigh. Vista does NOT suck
Close Name:daemon Posts: 326 Joined: 17 May 2007
Subject: RE: Sigh. Vista does NOT suck

QFT

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Been using it for several months, and converted most of our corporate office to it, and started deploying it to field offices as their systems need replacing.

It works fine, the benefits of Vista are subtle (search, for example, or UAC (which IS a blessing to admins!) and it's certainly better on a security front. You'll notice MOST of the problems of late don't affect Vista (nothing's perfect).

To date we have a single vertical market app that doesn't run under Vista, a payroll program that won't, and a specialized badge printer that won't. We're updating the payroll program (for unrelated reasons) to a newer version that will run under Vista.

The vertical market app--well, it took them 5 years to create hardware for the *PCI* slot and just as long to switch from 98SE to XP, so I won't hold my breath.

Oh, and the last pair of Vista business systems I bought (yesterday)? They cost $349 apiece! (Powerspec B600). That means Vista machines aren't even terribly expensive. Try buying a brand new Mac for $349.

Everything else works just fine and has for months. It plays well in a mixed server/Active Directory environment with Win2k, 2k3, and 2k3 x64 servers.

How then, does Vista suck?

Personally, I think the article is a trainload of bovine processed grass.

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Subject: RE: Sign - Vista Does NOT Suck
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