OK GoLive is dead and Dreamweaver is really quite expensive, (at least in my mind). What other options are there? I've gone to GIMP rather than Photoshop. Is there an Open Source alternative to GoLive/Dreamweaver?

I really don't like to see only a single option.

I own an older version of GoLive that qualifies for the $199 upgrade to Dreamweaver CS3. Can Dreamweaver CS3 be used as a WYSIWYG web design tool if one wants to use it that way?

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cgrscott wrote:
I own an older version of GoLive that qualifies for the $199 upgrade to Dreamweaver CS3. Can Dreamweaver CS3 be used as a WYSIWYG web design tool if one wants to use it that way?

Adobe offers a trial version, if I remember correctly it is for 30 days. I tried it out and found that switching from GoLive would of course involve a learning curve, but it wouldn't be too hard.

I am still using CS2, but InDesign crashes a lot under Leopard so I am using Pages for page layout. One of the things I liked about InDesign was the package for GoLive feature, I wish that Adobe had done something like that for DreamWeaver.

Well maybe I will take some of my IRS rebate and upgrade to CS3, including DreamWeaver.

One thing, our GoLive programs still work and will do so until OSXI or something like that kills it.

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geoduck wrote:
OK GoLive is dead and Dreamweaver is really quite expensive, (at least in my mind). What other options are there? I've gone to GIMP rather than Photoshop. Is there an Open Source alternative to GoLive/Dreamweaver?

I really don't like to see only a single option.

There always has been http://www.barebones.com/ BBEdit.
And before you squawk, it isn't WYSIWYG, no webpage editor is WYSIWYG. Every web browser renders non-HTML standard web design elements differently. If you want full control over your web design layout, the only way to do that is learn how to use HTML. Visit http://www.anybrowser.org/ for hints how to develop a universally compatible website. BBEdit also does not force web design elements onto your existing HTML pages unlike most webpage editors which do. This can be a big problem when you don't want certain extra tags such as font, height, width, to ruin existing layout design.

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geoduck wrote:
OK GoLive is dead and Dreamweaver is really quite expensive, (at least in my mind). What other options are there? I've gone to GIMP rather than Photoshop. Is there an Open Source alternative to GoLive/Dreamweaver?

There always has been http://www.barebones.com/ BBEdit.
And before you squawk, it isn't WYSIWYG, no webpage editor is WYSIWYG. Every web browser renders non-HTML standard web design elements differently. If you want full control over your web design layout, the only way to do that is learn how to use HTML.

I created my first web pages writing HTML code in WordPerfect. As to your comment "learn how to use HTML" I would add learn CSS. I highly recommend the book CSS, The Missing Manual. After reading that book and going through the lessons I find myself spending more time in the source pane of GoLive.

I know html reasonably well but at heart I'm a graphics person. I can look at pages of code and figure out what it is trying to do and debug it when needed. But I cannot tell you what the page will look like from the code. I need to create the page layout in a graphical form and let the tool build the code in the background. Then I may go in and add JavaScript or special links, or correct something the WYSIWYG interface can't do by hand. Overall though I need to work graphically. I can't start from a blank page and create a web page with all the bells whistles, tables, graphics, CSS, JavaScript, library objects, templates, and on and on without starting from a graphical view first. Once I get the basic page set up then I can add the fiddly bits. I view it like putting up a christmas tree.

And yes WYSIWYG interfaces are not ideal for many browsers. You still have to test the pages in IE, Safari, Firefox, Opera etc. But IMO you should do that with any page you build, however you create it.

You hit the nail right on the head. For me I can't easily visualize how the layout is going look in just a text editor. This is where I find DreamWeaver a valuable tool. The split view is what got me to settle on DreamWeaver as my main website production tool.

The perfect tool? No, but it has a good balance between layout and code work. Knowing HTML and CSS is still important but knowing good design versus is just as important.

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geoduck wrote:
OK GoLive is dead and Dreamweaver is really quite expensive, (at least in my mind). What other options are there? I've gone to GIMP rather than Photoshop. Is there an Open Source alternative to GoLive/Dreamweaver?

There's NVU.

Really getting tired of PageMill 1.0 and considering finally upgrading to 3.0. I'm still in shock over Adobe's purchase of Macromedia. Never actually used Cyberstudio. In truth, jumped ship from PageMill 1.0 to Dreamweaver 1.0. While using PageMill heavily in '96, I got an e-mail from Macromedia asking me what I thought an HTML editor should be like. They actually used the responses from developers to shape Dreamweaver 1.0. Been a big Dreamweaver fan ever since. Still, kinda sad to see GoLive die. A little competition is never bad. If I had been a GoLive user, I think I would be a little ticked about the Adrobemedia merger right now.

Why would you replace using GoLive (a product just recently out of development), with a NVU, a program that appears to be even more dead - it's last release was in 2005 - at version 1.0?

I've played with a lot of the free stuff out there and NVU is amongst the worst.

Well, maybe that's because I've used it with existing web sites and I've had it lose half of the code that it didn't understand!

I'm not like Geoduck, I have to start with something. A free template download at least, and NVU and Sea Monkey have both biffed code when switching between WYSIWYG mode and code mode.

So what do I use? Firefox's web developer extension and TextWrangler (Bare Bones software's free text editor). It's not WYSIWYG, but it's good for editing.

That said, I've not tired Dreamweaver (Cost), but I've edited sites that originated there. I have a license to Go Live 4.0, if that's eligible maybe I'll help the (Adobe) economy and spend some of my stimulus check on Dreamweaver...

Well, i had tried Dreamweaver first and didn't like it.
i went to GoLive and felt much more comfortable.
I'm very disappointed about this and will not move to Dreamweaver til i'm forced to do so.

Has anyone used RapidWeaver
http://realmacsoftware.com/rapidweaver/