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Just a Peek - Logitech 880 Remote: An Evolutionary Step Up

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- August 25th, 2006

From a Distance

A while ago (two years, in fact) I wrote a review of the Harmony 659 Universal Remote.  I really enjoyed that remote. It did everything a remote should do, and did it with style and at a reasonable price. Because of it I sacked the four remotes that came with the various pieces of my entertainment system, for which my wife continues to thank me.

After using the 659 for almost two years I've found only two minor, but nonetheless annoying problems.

The first problem becomes noticeable when the batteries start to fail. The remote starts to act really strange -- sometimes it will work normally, sometimes it will only turn off one part of my entertainment system, the receiver for instance. Other times it would refuse to change a channel or control the volume even though other functions worked normally. Put in fresh batteries and the remote would start working again. Since batteries can last up to six months, the problem was only a bit more than a nuisance.

The second problem had to do with the LCD screen. Control functions for different devices are accessed via the buttons on either side of the screen; if I wanted to activate the Picture in a Picture function on my TV, for instance, I had to scroll through the options displayed on the remote's screen, which was fine for less used functions. The problem is that, because the screen could only display so many characters, the function names often appeared cutoff or cryptic. For instance, if I wanted to pick between antenna inputs (either A or B) I'd have to guess which button to push, the screen would cut off the trailing 'A' and 'B'.

Luckily, I seldom needed to use those functions, and generally, life was good with my Harmony 659.

When the movie Click came out, a reporter at the Orlando Sentinel found my review and called me for an interview. It was a fun time, but it made me curious about the state of Harmony Remotes since I looked at the 659.

Well, Harmony is now part of Logitech, and the remotes they offer have evolved to include many excellent new features.

I got my hands on one of Logitech's newest remotes, the 880. If I was a happy person with the 659 I am now ecstatically happy with the 880.

Darwin Would Be Proud

The 880 is the obvious next step in the evolution of Logitech's remotes. Just like the 659, the 880 lets you program the remote by entering in the model numbers of your equipment in an account you set up on the Harmony site. You then create 'activities' such as 'Watch TV' or 'Listen to Music' using the features of your equipment. (Don't worry, the site steps you through this setup.) Once that's done a file containing your setup information is downloaded into the remote via a USB cable through your Mac or PC and, voilá! Your remote is programmed.


The 880 with Cradle
(Click the thumbnail for a larger image.)

I make it sound like programming the 880 is lot easier than it actually is. It IS easy, but the less geekier among us may run into a bit of trouble understanding what's being asked and deciding how to answer. I wouldn't want my mother-in-law attempting to program a Harmony Remote, for example, but the rest of us shouldn't have too much of a problem.

Just like intelligence and other key abilities separate (most) men from the common ape, so do key features delineate the 880 from models lower on the evolutionary tree. For instance, the 880 comes with a recharging cradle: NO MORE BATTERIES!! No more worn-out-battery weirdness either. The 880 can stay out of the cradle for a week or longer with recharging, but I've found that the cradle makes an excellent place to put the remote when I'm done using it for the day. My cradle sits on top of my media cabinet. I know where it is when I need to use it and it is always fully charged.

The 880 sports a color LCD screen that's easily twice the acreage of the 659's screen. The 880's screen is easy to read and there's nothing cryptic about the functions, everything is explained clearly


The 880's Colorful LCD Screen (enlarged)

The fun with 880 doesn't stop there:

  • The local time is now displayed on the LCD screen.
  • The Help button works much better at resolving problems with how the remote interacts with your equipment.
  • Switching between activities works much better now.
  • The color screen now displays customizable graphics for the activities
  • The styling of the 880 would make Star Trek's Geordi LaForge a happy camper.
  • The 'Guide' button creates four small windows on the side of the screen which scrolls through the regular TV channels (premium channels are excluded). This lets you watch your current channel which searching for something else to watch. (This feature may not be available on all TVs.)

Evolutionary Anomalies

There is a lot to like about the 880, but it has a few faults as well.

The designers of the 880 paid a little bit too much attention to the style of the unit and not enough attention to ergonomics. For instance, the 659 sports nice big buttons that even the eyes of a Baby Boomer can see without glasses. Many key buttons on the 880 are integrated into the silver 'swoosh' that surrounds the upper half of the unit. Aging eyes will have a tough time finding the volume control or channel selectors, and will have to hunt to change activities. The buttons are raised so that you can feel your way around, however, and you do get used to the layout quickly enough.

In general, all of the 880's buttons could be a tad bigger. Guys with bratwursts for fingers may find that punching a channel number or pausing a DVD on the 880 a challenge.

The 659 could download and display local TV listings, which were a convenient way to see what's playing. Alas, the 880 does not have this feature. Instead, the 'Media' button lets you pick from a list of your favorite channels (which you enter at the Web site during setup). This is a nice, but the channel listing would be great on the new color screen. The aforementioned 'Guide' button helps here too.

Beyond that I would just be nitpicking an otherwise excellent remote.

So, how many pesos does one need to part with in order to possess such perfection? Well, the 880 lists for US$249. The 659 can still be had at a list of $149. The 659 is a great remote, but, if you can afford it and don't mind the few problems I mentioned earlier, I'd spend the extra; the color screen and the ability to recharge it make the 880 worth it.

Review Item Logitech Harmony 880 Remote
Manufacturer Logitech
Price US$259
Street Price US$134 (Amazon)
Minimum
Requirements
Any Mac running OS X or
PC running Win2k or above.
Bottom Line

Logitech did a nice job on upgrading the original Harmony Remotes, they kept all of the good features, like online programming and activities, and added some nice enhancements, like the easy-to-read color screen and making the remote rechargeable. It seems that the 880 picked up a few undesirables as well, chief among them is the poor design of the buttons.

Still, this is a great piece of equipment  that any remote users would be happy to own. Check around to get the best price, but get one.

When I wrote about the 659 I said it would the last remote you'll ever buy; I was wrong. The 880 is definitely the last remote you'll ever need. (At least until Logitech comes out with a better one.)    

is a writer who currently lives in Orlando, FL. He's been a Mac fan since Atari Computers folded, but has worked with computers of nearly every type for 20 years.

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Close Name:Mikuro Posts: 444 Joined: 15 Jun 2002
Subject: $$$

Let me get this straight: your wife thanks you for paying $150+ for a remote? Wow. You know how to pick 'em, I guess.

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Subject: Never reveal too much...
Close Name:VSeward -   TMO Staff Posts: 971 Joined: 28 Jun 2001
Subject: Guest is right...

Most women don't want to know the details when it comes to technology. "Just show me which button to press," and it better be easy.


Also, anytime you can prove a reduction in complexity, you can pretty much win over most wives. Turning four remotes into one is simple math that even the most technophobic can appreciate.

Vern Seward

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Subject: Re: Guest is right...

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VSeward wrote:
Most women don't want to know the details when it comes to technology. "Just show me which button to press," and it better be easy.


Also, anytime you can prove a reduction in complexity, you can pretty much win over most wives. Turning four remotes into one is simple math that even the most technophobic can appreciate.

Vern Seward


Most women would nut-punch you for saying that. Come a little closer, Vern.

Close Name:VSeward -   TMO Staff Posts: 971 Joined: 28 Jun 2001
Subject: Re: Guest is right...

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jinkies wrote:


Most women would nut-punch you for saying that. Come a little closer, Vern.


Truth hurts! (Vern says as he rolls on the ground clutching his jewels.)



Vern Seward

Close Name:jinkies -   Evil Girl of TMO Posts: 3846 Joined: 24 Sep 2001
Subject:

Here's the thing.

I think for the most part, women are not encouraged at all in the area of technology. At a young age, despite the ubiquity of computers in this era, girls are directed away from "hard" sciences and into "soft." Look at any university's liberal arts department to see a great example of this.

While I'm not reactionary enough to believe that it's an issue where The Man (literally) is holding us down, I do think it's very important that girls and women everywhere are encouraged to feel at home with technology. From programming the proverbial VCR (as though anyone has those any more) to working the remote control to learning English, Spanish, German, and php. The not-teaching is holding society back in many ways while reinforcing the negative perception which says that learning technology is an attribute which supresses femininity while, as it seems, upholding your patriarchial duty to hold the remote control and doing nothing to advance our culture or our collective knowledge base.

As it turns out, I'm marrying a giant geek. But you ask him who programmed our Logitech remote. Either of them. I love gadgets and tech. I love wiring our home theatre system, auditioning speakers and receivers, digging through tech manuals and calibrating the entire system to get the most out of it. I love CSS and the elegance that is code. I want to pass it on to anyone who will listen.

I may not have the penis-part which controls the remote and probably drives the car and BBQs on the weekends, but I do have a brain which I was encouraged to use and stretch and grow beyond the boundaries which you clearly perceive.

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...anytime you can prove a reduction in complexity, you can pretty much win over most wives. Turning four remotes into one is simple math that even the most technophobic can appreciate.


I'm sure your piece was meant to be funny-haha, but it reads more like nervous laughter. "Oh noes, the women-folk desire teh knowledges!!!1`" Wife = technophobe may pin down your home, but don't piss your dour outlook on the rest of us. It may not be that your wife doesn't want to know how it works. It may just be that you never bothered to explain it. Keeping knowledge to yourself may help you retain the pants, but making yourself artificially superior isn't the point. Is it?

Close Name:VSeward -   TMO Staff Posts: 971 Joined: 28 Jun 2001
Subject: Re: Women and technology

Well, it appears I've touched a raw nerve. However, I stand by my statement while whole heartedly agreeing with yours.

For years I've lived in a household with 2 women. I am and have always been a geek. If it has buttons I'll push them, and I share my geekiness with anyone and in any capacity, including the encouragement of women to go into technology fields.

My wife never showed the slightest interest in computers until I bought her one and literally forced her to learn how to read email. Now she's proficient at a few things but still is, and likely will always be a technophobe. That's where I agree with you; women have historically been steered to the "softer" arts and my wife is a classic example of the results of such steering.

My daughter, on the other hand, has had her own computer since high school, and access to computer for even longer. While she is comfortable using them and many of the complicated applications found on them, she prefers to merely use them, and technology in general.

Where I, and it sounds like you too, find fun in setting up wired networks, she would opt for a simple wireless network, or do without. I might poke at scripting to get my Mac to do something interesting, she would rather by an application, but only if it's easy to use.

My daughter is more comfortable around technology, and I've encouraged her to pay attention to science and other male-dominated fields, but in the end she decided on art. (Which I've encouraged as well.) I can point example after example of similar situations.

A know a lot of people, more than half of them are women of various ages, and most of them are technophobic to a larger degree than their male counterparts, even the younger ones and women who have been exposed to technology through work or hobbies. I'm lucky in that many of the women I know have embraced technology and science, but in general, that's just not the case.

In fact, my last two managers at work were women. While they are obviously intelligent, competent people, and welcome technology with open arms, they are still somewhat technophobic. If things are working well, then everything is great, but when things don't work that's when they prefer to let 'us men' handle it.

Is it right?

I don't know, but that's the way it is.

So, my statement was not derived from some antiquated sexist belief that the 'little woman' just wants it to go, I made it based on what I see around me. You are a true geek and a rare breed; it's unfortunate that you belong to a small sisterhood, but I think things are changing and more women will join your ranks. Just don't expect a stampede.

I stand by what I said. Most (not all as you seem to think I've implied) women, for whatever reason, don't want to know the details behind technology, they just want it to work.

There's nothing wrong with being that way.

Finally, I made first statement (in the article) lightheartedly, but I wasn't laughing, nervously or otherwise, when I posted the other comments.

Vern Seward

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