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Army Explains End of America's Army For Mac

TMO Reports - Army Explains End of America's Army For Mac

by , 12:45 PM EDT, May 12th, 2006

When the news broke at the end of April that the Mac version of America's Army was no more, many gamers were surprised to learn that programmer Ryan Gordon had been maintaining it for free over the previous year. Chris Chambers, deputy director of the America's Army project, told The Mac Observer via e-mail that the primary reason for dropping the Mac and Linux versions was "a simple cost vs. benefit analysis."

He continued: "For every platform that the Army supports for the America's Army game, there is a significant amount of financial and development support that is taken into consideration. The Mac and Linux client player base is extremely small compared to Windows.

"With changes in prices from 3rd party developers who charge on a per-platform basis, it became evident that it was not financially feasible to continue supporting the project without sacrificing other important initiatives for the project and the Windows version, which saw significantly more traffic. We have always wanted to support alternative operating systems and we did as long as we possible could."

Mr. Chambers confirmed that official support for the Mac and Linux clients "was made shortly after the [May 16, 2005] release of America's Army: Special Forces (Q-Course) v2.4.0." A thread on the game's message boards conveyed some internal confusion on the matter, with one person stating last month: "I didn't know it until recently and I work on the project."

Mr. Chambers said that the team leads were aware of the decision, but an official announcement wasn't made because "Ryan planned to continue support of these clients on his own, so we felt it wasn't necessary to officially announce dropping support, only to then turn around and release the new clients." He reiterated what Mr. Gordon has said: America's Army version 2.6 for Mac and Linux will still likely see release, but it will be the last one on those platforms.

Regarding the possibility of coming back to the Mac, Mr. Chambers said: "We will continue to develop America's Army many generations into the future and nothing is completely off the table." He added that the team "look[s] forward to seeing how Boot Camp will affect Mac market share. Our main goal for the America's Army game is to communicate messaging on all platforms where we can speak to the greatest number of Americans."

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Close Name:Guest
Subject: Odd logic

<quote>he team "look[s] forward to seeing how Boot Camp will affect Mac market share. </quote>

So the decision to bring back a Mac client rests largely on the number of Macs that can run Windows?

No wonder "military intelligence" is considered an oxymoron.

Close Name:Guest
Subject:

They haven't worked up to really recruiting Mac users yet. They're still working on getting older people by raising the recruiting age limit, keeping people from quitting through stop-loss, or recruiting mentally handicapped or autistic people. Windows users fit in there somewhere. Mac users are notoriously independent and picky.

Close Name:JonGl Posts: 113 Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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Guest wrote:
<quote>he team &quot;look[s] forward to seeing how Boot Camp will affect Mac market share. </quote>

So the decision to bring back a Mac client rests largely on the number of Macs that can run Windows?

No wonder &quot;military intelligence&quot; is considered an oxymoron.


Hm.... What he said, if you will allow me to put the cookies on the bottom shelf, so to speak, is if Bootcamp can raise Apple's market share significantly, then they will reconsider offering a Mac version. It's not that they are running, or can run windows, but it is obvious that the expectations of many people (not just him) is that Bootcamp is designed to increase Mac market share, because people can now switch with zero cost of losing their software investment from Windows. Is that not the point of Apple offering Boot Camp?

-Jon

Close Name:DawnTreader -   TMO Staff Posts: 15039 Joined: 04 Jan 2002
Subject:

Among the military's prime recruting groups what percentage do you think are Mac users? I'd say a very, very small percent.

Close Name:Guest
Subject: if Ryan Gordon can...

If Ryan Gordon can single handed maintain both Mac and Linux client, then what's the cost to pay him to do this? Is this software project so cash strap that they can't support a single programmer...probably not even at full time? Seems like a lot 'a bang for their buck.

Hey if this program is solely a recruitment aid, I say yeah let it stay on windows.

Close Name:Guest
Subject: maybe

mac users are to smart and creative to join the army.

Close Name:acdc1174 Posts: 723 Joined: 16 Apr 2004
Subject: Re: maybe

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Anonymous wrote:
mac users are to smart and creative to join the army.


Hmmm...bad implication there. I have known many smart and creative people who have made excellent careers in the millitary. And this is not the exception.

Close Name:DawnTreader -   TMO Staff Posts: 15039 Joined: 04 Jan 2002
Subject: Re: maybe

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acdc1174 wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
mac users are to smart and creative to join the army.


Hmmm...bad implication there. I have known many smart and creative people who have made excellent careers in the millitary. And this is not the exception.


Robb, Guest said the army, not the military in general.

Close Name:Guest
Subject: The Army is not a software company....

This seems ridiculous for the Army to consider this from a traditional cost benefit analysis point of view. This is not a software company trying to make a profit. This is essentially _ADVERTISING_. In that regard, you want to maximize your audience, not restrict it. Besides, how much could it realy cost to produce the other ports as well? I mean compared to what they spend on TV advertising I imagine it's minimal. I bet they could pay a programmer's salary by pulling a single TV add, which no one with a DVR watches anyway.

I think Linux types in particular would also make good recruits for the kind of high tech MOS's (jobs) that the Army has trouble filling.
It also seems discriminitory. It's like pulling all your print ads from Latino media. Because it IS advertising, that says "We don't want your kind here." Well screw you then Army, I won't join you now. Is that "Elite killing machine" or "Elitist killing machines"?

Tachyon

Close Name:Guest
Subject: Army, re-think that one, please!

The partly hidden users (from no boxed sales) of GNU/Linux (like Ubuntu) numbers are massive and creeping up on the stodgy installed Windows (mal-ware ridden) base; post haste.

An over site, looking the other way and to Windows(only) users, may greatly attract the wrong kind of recruits.

It's a new technological world that requires people who think on their feet. You my find the Windows-only raised gean pool quite shallow in this regard, indeed.

If I were hiring tech savy people, the MS certified would be the first off my list and anyone who demonstrated excellence with open software could be the most adaptable; if not just for the raw speed that open software develops.

Do we really want our military personnel to be, well, slow? Do we want them un-adaptable? Should they fear change? What about freedom? Isn't that, just what we fight for?

Close Name:Guest
Subject: Military Intelligence?

As Windows market share continues to decrease and Linux (and MAC) increases, they've chosen this time to discontinue which build??? It makes no sense at all.

Close Name:Guest
Subject: I understand but...

I understand it costs allot of money but money is what you guys have and don't deny it you know it's funny now because over 2 hundred thousand mac players won't be able to play now yes this is a real number I checked the number of downloads of 2.5 on a site it's really a shame you are ditching mac and linux servers I don't mean to sound like a gerk but it's really unfair to those 2 hundred and more thousand people not to mention the amount of linux there prolly is
Mike

Close Name:Guest
Subject: Agreed

Small percentage to start and most are educated and not stupid enough to sign up to get blown up.

Close Name:Guest
Subject: Mac user "creative" spelling. Duh!

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Anonymous wrote:
mac users are to smart and creative to join the army.


Well, if you are a mac user, which we assume you are, your so-called intelligence isn't shining here. You misused "to" when it should be "too". Or maybe you were using "creative spelling"? lol.

Close Name:Guest
Subject:

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Anonymous wrote:
mac users are to smart and creative to join the army.
uh-huh ... any they can't write good, to!

Close Name:Guest
Subject: New to the game

Just downloaded v2.5 this game is pretty darn good. I'm using an MBP 2 GHz. I hope they do pick up Mac support after 10.5 is released. I did run the v2.4 while using bootcamp but found it was a little clumsy because of the keyboard.

Close Name:Guest
Subject: ....

y'all are saying mac users are to smart for the army or military im sorry. For your information I'm a Mac user and I'm goin into the army its not a matter of how smart someone is. It is simply a good way for someone to shape up and get their life together.

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