lower expectations now, looks like the iPods just haven't been selling.

but are they counting the iPod built into the iPhone?

Cause if they count the iPhone as an iPod as well, I am sure iPod sales will be higher than expected.

I count the iPhone as an iPod and thus I expect to be buying an iPod in the June quarter. Although just barely.

Given that the iPhone will only be avaiable for probably like 4-5 days this quarter, I seriously doubt they could sell enough to beat wall street estimates for iPods. The only way they will do that is through regular iPod sales.

Guest, 9.5M iPods in a quarter means they aren't selling? I wish I had that problem.

I dunno, do you count other cell phones that are capable of playing music files as a portable music player? If you did, then the iPod's market share is grossly exagerated.

Either way, the iPhone isn't even on the market, so if you want, let's do the math.
iPod sales = X
iPhone sales = 0
X + 0 = X

So sure, add them in. Next quarter, we should be sure to include all the mobile phones that are capable of playing digital music files in the portable music player category. Unless of course our intention is to misrepresent the marketplace in Apple's favor.

Don't you really think that people who are not going to buy the iPhone are starting to wait for the new widescreen iPod which we all know has to follow soon behind the iPhone because of this. As for me, I already have 40GB iPod video for storage, just need my 8GB iPhone to complete the set.

The iPod is superior. MACs are superior. MAC OSX is superior. The iPhone and it's interface will of course be superior. Finally an easy to use PDA phone (Smart Phone) with the capability to play any music and if you wish use the easy to use iTunes Store. I'm tired of complex, hard to use, non-intuitive interfaces. It's unnessesary and a waste of time.

Wecome iPhone. I look forward to your simple to use, intuitive interface so that I can get back to living.

Don't you really think that people who are not going to buy the iPhone are starting to wait for the new widescreen iPod which we all know has to follow soon behind the iPhone because of this. As for me, I already have 40GB iPod video for storage, just need my 8GB iPhone to complete the set.

The iPod is superior. MACs are superior. MAC OSX is superior. The iPhone and it's interface will of course be superior. Finally an easy to use PDA phone (Smart Phone) with the capability to play any music and if you wish use the easy to use iTunes Store. I'm tired of complex, hard to use, non-intuitive interfaces. It's unnessesary and a waste of time.

Wecome iPhone. I look forward to your simple to use, intuitive interface so that I can get back to living.

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Guest wrote:
I dunno, do you count other cell phones that are capable of playing music files as a portable music player? If you did, then the iPod's market share is grossly exagerated.

Either way, the iPhone isn't even on the market, so if you want, let's do the math.
iPod sales = X
iPhone sales = 0
X + 0 = X

So sure, add them in. Next quarter, we should be sure to include all the mobile phones that are capable of playing digital music files in the portable music player category. Unless of course our intention is to misrepresent the marketplace in Apple's favor.

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Guest wrote:
The iPod is superior. MACs are superior. MAC OSX is superior. The iPhone and it's interface will of course be superior. Finally an easy to use PDA phone (Smart Phone) with the capability to play any music and if you wish use the easy to use iTunes Store. I'm tired of complex, hard to use, non-intuitive interfaces. It's unnessesary and a waste of time.

Wecome iPhone. I look forward to your simple to use, intuitive interface so that I can get back to living.

Superior to what? How can I transfer pictures off of my digital camera onto the iPod? Oh you mean I have to buy an adapter for that? How can I charge my iPod from a wall socket without the use of a computer? Oh you mean I have to buy an adapter for that? How I can listen to FM radio on my iPod? Oh you mean I have to buy an adapter for that? How can I record a memo on my iPod? Oh you mean I have to buy an adapter for that? How can I record FM radio on my iPod? Oh you mean I have to buy an adapter for that? How can I play OGG files on my iPod? What do you mean I can't? How can I play FLAC files on my iPod? What do you mean I can't? How can I get an iPod that has a battery that lasts more than 20 hours? What do you I can't? How can I get an iPod that allows you to add files without the use of iTunes? What do you mean I can't? How can I play XviD files? What do you mean I can't?

If iTunes is your be-all end-all for acquiring digital music, and you are unable to run the files through one of the many available converters, then maybe you should stick with a solution designed to the lowest common denominator. If you want to do more while spending less. At the moment you should look elsewhere.

PS - I'm not sure that all those adapters really exist, I just gave the iPod the benefit of the doubt.

I'm tired of pretty looking boxes with one or two nicely done features that lack the rest of the features that I need to use that are sold at 100% markup. Competition is good for the consumer, bad for the monopoly.

Thank You my friend for proving my point.

First of all, all those adapters as you call them are available and are not that expensive. Nicely, they simply integrate into the existing iPod and just work. Because of Apple's interest in extensibility, there is an extremely healthy third party market surrounding the success of the iPod and this in itself continues the momentum; beautiful, smart.

Now as for your somewhat special formats, you are obviously a Windows Zeolite and enjoy the complex and crude so that you feel you have control over alot of functionialty; but this is truely where more is not necessarily better. Someday you will come to find that there is more to life then messing around with settings and configurations. I too was like you, but I have better things to do with my time and less (simplicity of an interface) is truely more. I left go of the Windows control panel to switch to MAC and now enjoy surfing the web, writting useful software (cross-platform even), and having time to relax by my pond with my gold fish swimming by and the sound of my waterfall in the background. Because the iPhone will have the same ease of use and expanded functionality, this too will just work and provide me with additional time to enjoy life. When I need it, it will be there with the functionality I need and easy to use interface and I will not have to worry about it crashing, getting a virus, or having me to reconfigure it everytime I want to do something different.

Thank you iPhone, I can't wait. Bye Treo, your days are numbered.

Come on dude. I love my iPods as much as anyone, but I recognize that integrated functionality is nice. I use my Sony player instead of my old shuffle which I gave to my little brother because it has some of these features built in (like FM and killer battery life). Using an adapter is clunky, and makes you have to carry around more boxes and wires. I would much rather have one device that can do all the features. Would you want a phone adapter for your iPod or would you rather have an iPhone? Also, if you're going call someone a zealot, spell it correctly, and then also realize that FLAC & OGG are open source and have nothing to do with Microsoft. People who like FLAC & OGG tend to be just as anti-Microsoft as the rest of us. Actually, we tend to want to avoid getting locked into any proprietary formats as we don't get locked into any corporation's systems. But then the rest of that paragraph is a total tangent and I'm not even sure what you're trying to say about iPods and OSS media format when you talk about windows control panel, what does that have to do with anything? As far as I know, Mac & Windows both support OGG & FLAC along Linux. Maybe you were just confused and thought that these "special formats" were proprietary? Anyways, the iPod is nicely designed, but it is lacking some features that I find, as do others, very useful in a media player. Oh, that also goes the same for xvid, it's an open source video codec, not a proprietary format. And there are players out there that support all of these out of the box.

You are correct. Sorry for drifting. Those newer formats will give someone a nice niche market like Linux does (the regular consumer doesn't have the time to get an education just to install or use it). Different is good, it's where great things start.

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