Ted,

For many consumers who do their own research on a potential purchase, Consumer Reports’ opinions have been irrelevant for decades.

I’m not personally going to start listening to them because they “like Macs” all of a sudden. They still don’t get it and they never will.
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Irrelevant for Decades? That makes your whole statement irrelevant, Len. Get a clue.
Apple’s shift in perception at C.U. is evolutionary rather than “ship-jumping” or “getting it”.
They started separating Macs from PC’s in reviews YEARS ago because they knew it was “Apples & Oranges” (sorry); and Apple’s customer service was noted back then as well.
Years past, they told the truth: Macs were expensive. 100:1 ratio of software available to PC vs Mac. Real world speed. They weren’t shills for an operating system - they were reviewing the boxes. Now, things have changed as noted - Internet, price reductions, Intel, etc.  It’s just different now.

Dean, consumer reports is irrelevant in a lot of categories. Their rationale is just bizarre at best many, many times. This isn’t about PC vs Mac reviews, it’s about any/all of their reviews. They just do not think at all along the lines of most people’s needs, IMO.  At any rate, “get a clue” is a bit harsh considering you have your opinion, and Len and I have a different one. And that’s what they are - opinions.

Dean, he clearly meant CU’s opinion in general. So get a clue, or at least a pair of reading glasses.

(Not that I endorse his opinion.)

Will you two stop fighting? We’ve got some broads to chase.

Sounds like Ted might be living in Holland! His description of the old situation applies verbatim to the Dutch Consumer Club. Only they are not yet changing position, they just have gone quiet. But they’ll get there

Wish they’d tell the Consumer Association in UK (publishers of Which?). Their opinions have also been irrelevant for decades, but sadly their crappy publications are read by a significant number of ill-informed blue-rinsers - who as a result will never become Internet- or iLife-savvy due to being steered blindly towards Windoze.

Of course, not mentioned in this article is the fact that Apple laptops recorded the highest number of repairs among the eight computer brands compared in Consumer Reports’ survey of over 75,000 laptop owners. (To be fair, Apple’s desktops scored the least number of repairs.) It’s good to know Apple has great customer service. It appears from the CR data that if you own an Apple laptop, you’re more likely to need a repair. I guess that’s why Consumer Reports also recommends buying AppleCare - which is interesting considering the fact that Consumer Reports almost universally recommends against extended warranties of all varieties.

I stopped subscribing to CR when they started publishing their clueless stance back in the 80s. I get the impression that their other tests fail scientific rigor (Len’s point). I would think that stems from people self reporting what they want.

Apple’s quality has declined since they offshored manufacturing, but the prices are better for it and Apple still gets a comfy margin with which to build really cool stuff (and keep their “Lexus” mindshare).

You know, I think CR is just mirroring the mainstream population as a whole.  The things they look at are likely what their own survey instruments have told them that the mainstream population looks for in each product category.  Apple has generally had a bit of the maverick in them and encouraged that in its users and in its advertising.  Face it, the U.S. as a whole is not very much a maverick society.  We come from maverick stock but we have grown past that like any maturing society.

What these new findings are telling us is that Apple has pushed itself into the mainstream.  The iPod has done that, the iPhone has done that, and the move to Intel has done that.  If anything the other computer manufacturers have chased for the low price ring for so long that they have lost the price/feature war.  Apple owns that now.  The fact that Visita has gotten so much bad press has helped that process.  So Maybe CR has not changed, but Apple has changed a little bit.  Probably a little bit of both which is not a bad thing.

One reason for that may be that people tend to keep Mac laptops a lot longer than most people keep Windows laptops. They get the laptops fixed rather than dump them. I know several people who are running Tiger on Pismo PowerBooks—those were new in 2000 and use a G3 processor. A 2003 PowerBook G4 can run Leopard, as can any PowerBook since then and most iBook G4s, a well. How many five-year-old Windows laptops can run the full version of Vista? (Probably none.)