Google: Microsoft is Tricksy, But We’re Too Smart

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In the new war of words between Google and Microsoft, Google has fired back at Microsoft’s efforts to use facts to counter Google’s claim of victimhood with an update to a blog post that essentially says that Google was too smart to fall for Microsoft’s dirty tricks.

In case you’ve missed the sparks flying back and forth, this tempest in a teacup started when David Drummond, Google’s Senior Vice President and Chief Legal Officer, accused Apple, Microsoft, and Oracle of conspiring to use “bogus” patents to “strangle” Android rather than compete in the market place through innovation.

In my opinion, Mr. Drummond’s blog post was attempting to cast Google as the victim that was being wronged by a patent-system gone bad, and that patents were being warped and twisted to squelch Google’s innovation.

I took issue to this, and pointed out that Google isn’t innovating with Android, it’s copying, and that this is precisely what the patent system was designed to prevent. One can argue the merits of software patents (I’m generally against them) all one wants, but in the patent battles between Apple, Microsoft, and Oracle against Google and its hardware licensees, the patent system is being used as it was intended, to encourage innovation by keeping copiers from profit off the innovations of others.

Another part of Google’s claim is that Microsoft and Apple (and other companies, including EMC, but not including Oracle), had conspired to buy patents from Novell and Nortel in order to keep them away from Google. This may or may not be true when it comes to the Nortel patents, which were bought by a consortium that included Microsoft, Apple, EMC, and other firms who ended up winning those patents for a staggering chunk of change, US$4.5 billion. Time will tell on the conspiracy charge there.

When it comes to the Novell patents, however, Microsoft fired its own salvo against Google by pointing out that far from Microsoft conspiring to keep Google away from those patents, the company had reached out to Google and offered to partner with the search giant to acquire them.

That was Wednesday, though, and today Google answered Microsoft’s retort with a bold new claim of its own.

Oops!That answer was, and I paraphrase, “Nuh-uh!”

OK, I’ll paraphrase a little less: Google’s David Drummond updated his original blog post Thursday afternoon with a note that said Microsoft’s offer to partner on the bids was nothing more than a dirty trick to prevent the search giant from using those patents to defend itself, and that it added insult to injury by trying to get Google to pay for the priviledge of doing so.

“It’s not surprising that Microsoft would want to divert attention by pushing a false ‘gotcha!’ while failing to address the substance of the issues we raised,” Mr. Drummond wrote, perhaps oblivious to having invoked one of the least competent public speakers in modern American politics. “If you think about it, it’s obvious why we turned down Microsoft’s offer.” [Emphasis added]

He explained, “A joint acquisition of the Novell patents that gave all parties a license would have eliminated any protection these patents could offer to Android against attacks from Microsoft and its bidding partners. Making sure that we would be unable to assert these patents to defend Android — and having us pay for the privilege — must have seemed like an ingenious strategy to them.”

“We didn’t fall for it,” he crowed.

Be careful what you wish for, sir, because I’m going to “think about it.”

OK, there. I’ve thought about it, and having thought about it, Mr. Drummond’s comments make me wonder how he got hired at Google as a lawyer. Seriously.

For one thing, even if Microsoft’s reaching out was an effort to neuter Google’s ability to use those patents in its defense of Android, it would only do so against Microsoft’s patent infringement claims, leaving it free to use them to defend against Apple. Of course, we don’t know whether or not this offer of Microsoft’s came before or after Microsoft partnered with Apple to buy them.

Even still, however, there is a far cry between not being able to use them for defending yourself and having them so that others can’t use them against you.

I mean, come on. I’m not an attorney, but then I did “think about it,” as Mr. Drummond encouraged me to do.

There’s an even bigger aspect to his response that just glares out at me like an angry chupacabra. Whether or not Microsoft was trying to be all tricksy and sneaky, Mr. Drummond had claimed that Microsoft was conspiring to keep those patents away from Google.

BUT IT DIDN’T!

Offering to partner in buying something is roughly the exact opposite of conspiring to keep them away from you, and Mr. Drummond’s rebuttal is little more than a sad attempt to obfuscate that reality through deflection.

Rather than embarrassing himself and his company, Mr. Drummond should have amended his original blog post with a mea culpathat acknowledged his mistake. If he wanted he could then have said despite his mistake, things aren’t quite as simple as Microsoft was trying to make it because [blah, blah, blah].

For the record, Mr. Drummond also pointed out that the U.S. Department of Justice intervened in the Novell patent buyout by requiring that the companies that won the patents supply the open-source community with a license for the patents. This is true, and it is the one aspect of Mr. Drummond’s original blog post and his update that actually stands up to “thinking about it.”

Comments

George Mirel

But so far Apple has won with patents from 1994 and 1996. They’re not even related to smartphones, let alone the iPhone. So if Apple can’t prove Android actually copied from it, what are we arguing about exactly?

mhikl

Google blaming MicroSoft, my new best friend, for dirty tricks against the Victim Google would be like Jack the Ripper blaming the ladies for using dirty tricks by looking so darned hot. (The definition of hot between now and those poor bag ladies differs somewhat.)

. . . that (M$) added insult to injury by trying to get Google to pay for the privilege of doing so/ defending itself.

Now if that isn?t tricky Dick alive and excusing, I?ll eat my tin foil hat. Drummond is like a serious but confused Bill Maher, who mixes up his punch lines.

GM, go back to bed, Gracie.

Bosco (Brad Hutchings)

But so far Apple has won with patents from 1994 and 1996. They?re not even related to smartphones, let alone the iPhone. So if Apple can?t prove Android actually copied from it, what are we arguing about exactly?

Probably the most poignant question I’ve seen on the subject. My answer is that we’re arguing over Google’s “right” to make a smart phone. Apple fans are butt-hurt that Apple’s offering just kind of petered out in the middle of the adoption curve and that the Android ecosystem, with all its choice and flexibility, came along and crowned itself. Apple fans who have been arguing that the Apple way of tight control is the best way are finding themselves having to explain why an ecosystem that has very little control—despite those fans’ best ongoing efforts to tell the ecosystem that they needed strict control or it would obviously fail—is in fact, rubbing their nose in it.

Google and its partners delivers what more people want than do Apple or RIM or Microsoft, and is on track to best the sum of them in the next few months (mostly at RIM’s expense). But should we allow that? That is the high level question that guides the debate. The patent skirmishes are just 3rd derivative proxies. Look back to Apple v. Microsoft and the issue of “look and feel” for ultimate guidance on this operative question in a world run by code, which is at its essence creative speech.

Nemo

All of Apple’s multi-touch patents are still at issue in various tribunals, so we must wait and see, but it is beginning to look as if Oracle will have already sliced up Google’s Android, so that Apple will have to content itself with seconds.

Nemo

Apple’s iPhone petered out in the adoption curve?  Bosco, I can determine whether you are delusional or just duplicitous.  Apple is the number one smartphone vendor in the world.  See http://macdailynews.com/2011/08/04/idc-apple-now-the-worlds-1-smartphone-vendor/, where we find:

?The smartphone market crowned a new leader in 2Q11, and its name is Apple,? said Ramon Llamas, senior research analyst with IDC?s Mobile Phone Technology and Trends team. ?Ever since the first iPhone launched in 2007, Apple has made market-setting strides in hardware, software, and channel development to grab mindshare and market share. Demand has been so strong that even models that have been out for one or two years are still being sought out. With an expected refresh later this year, volumes are set to reach higher levels.?

And Apple is so far out in front on profits that second place isn’t even visible.  Apple captured two third of the profits of all mobile phones, not merely smartphones but all mobile phones.  See http://www.asymco.com/2011/07/29/apple-captured-two-thirds-of-available-mobile-phone-profits-in-q2/.  And, not surprisingly, and Apple is capturing the majority of smartphone revenues.  See http://www.asymco.com/2011/08/02/apple-share-of-phone-revenues-increased-to-28/. 

So given the stats, supra, it is clear to any reasonable and sane person that:  (1) Instead of petering out, Apple iPhone sales continue to dominate and are increasing that domination; and (2) more people prefer a more than one year old iPhone 4 to any Android phone. 

Bosco, the sixties are over; put down the pipe.

Terrin

Apple can’t use ideas it developed for the Mac and bring it over to Smartphones, which essentially are just a small Mac? That seems silly to suggest. Further, Apple has recently started asserting iPhone unique patents, which may have just been recently awarded.

But so far Apple has won with patents from 1994 and 1996. They?re not even related to smartphones, let alone the iPhone. So if Apple can?t prove Android actually copied from it, what are we arguing about exactly?

adamC

@Bosco

This is hilarious ‘Google and its partners delivers what more people want than do Apple’ - any link?

Their 550,000 activations minus the returns which are estimated at 30-40% so I be kind and use 30% - it is only 385.000 imagine if I use 40%.

So go figure.

rabber

Bosco - you are again raving like a crazy person. I do not know of anyone who wouldn?t give away half their company for a ?petered out product? like the iPhone. I know that you believe that the Google approach is better. I happen to believe that no one knows yet how the market will ultimately go, but for right now both approaches have merit and are doing well in different ways. Apple is the largest smartphone vendor and has the lion?s share of the profits of all mobile phones (as Nemo nicely referenced). At the same time, Android has a larger market share than Apple?s iOS. One could argue whether or not that larger market share has ultimately led to significantly higher profits for Google - I have not seen any data one way or the other. In the long run, Apple could care less if Android has 90% of the market share If Apple has 90% of the profits. Your company will not succeed on market share - only on profits. One hopes that greater market share leads to greater profits, but this is not always true.

To get back to the original thought of the article, Google is whining about people trying to come after them. I agree with Bryan that the patent system is working the way it was intended to work. Android is a derivative product. I am OK with that, as long as they pay licensing fees to the people who developed the technology in the first place.

JLemus

everyone, I think that’s @bosco’s malware talking.

Terrin

Google is nuts. Microsoft offered Google the chance to participate in buying a portfolio that would benefit the whole Industry so that Patent Trolls couldn’t buy them up and hold companies like Microsoft, Google, and Apple hostage. Google declined and its reasons are clearly one hundred percent selfish. It wanted to be able to yield the patents as a weapon against Microsoft and Apple to defend Android by being able to sue the same companies. Google wasn’t interested in contributing to protect the whole industry, itself included.

Google’s reasons are also BS. Had Google coughed up some dough, Microsoft, Apple, and itself wouldn’t’ be able to sue each other using these patents. Google would just have to worry about other patents falling outside the portfolio.

Lee Dronick

See this story on patent reform, or lack thereof

Jamie

I pretty much take Google’s hemming and hawing here, there, and everywhere as an outright admission of guilt (this is the real definition of chutzpah, which is often misused. It isn’t a positive thing - think spoiled child, not bold defiance). I for one would rather not live in their dystopian vision of mediocrity for the world.

Though everyone is certainly welcome to (and certainly will!) believe what they like, the thing that gets me about folks like you Bosco, is that you are blind to the fact that those of you toiling away in the open source empire are the serfs, and your overlords are happy to reap the profits from your labor and let you take the falls when what you are doing no longer suits them. It is not community service you provide but rather free labor bordering on indentured servitude to ideas some corporation made up to entice you.

Bosco (Brad Hutchings)

Though everyone is certainly welcome to (and certainly will!) believe what they like, the thing that gets me about folks like you Bosco, is that you are blind to the fact that those of you toiling away in the open source empire are the serfs, and your overlords are happy to reap the profits from your labor and take the falls when what you are doing no longer suits them. It is not community service you provide but rather free labor bordering on indentured servitude to ideas some corporation made up to entice you.

I put my iPhone in the drawer and got a Nexus One in April, 2010 because Steve Jobs was (well, is) a control freak asshole. And don’t get me wrong, I liked my iPhone. But I have a personal “no asshole” rule that governs my allegiances and he and his company violated it to the point where I wasn’t going to carry their stupid phone. I’d learned a few months earlier that Guy Kawasaki’s own son ditched his iPhone for an N1, and that gave me all the encouragement I needed.

I blogged about my switch, expecting that I might alternate between the phones for a month or so before deciding whether I should just accept being a giant delta bravo and carry the iPhone or tough it out with the N1 to be a rebel. It took me about 2 days to realize that the Android phone was just better and worked more like I worked.

It’s a sheer bonus that I got around to actually shipping an app for Android this week and didn’t have to ask anyone’s permission to share it or sell it. Nor did I have any trouble with this app scaling from my N1 screen to an HTC Incredible 2 screen to a B&N Nook Color screen to a Honeycomb ASUS Transformer screen. Prior to getting this on Android Marketplace, I had pre-release versions available on a website for my testers, and I didn’t have to get their device codes to enable them to side-load it. There is less friction in the Android world than the iOS world. These kinds of app sales are not going to support me (or most developers, certainly > 95%) regardless of platform—they’re more a vanity exercise for most, and perhaps part of attracting customers to other offerings. So doncha think that many developers would prefer near zero friction and approaching 2x market share of iOS to build a few cool mobile apps?

So, no, I’m not some serf grinding away to prop up a mega-corporation. I adapted my popular Alltock Procrastinators’ Clock app for Android mobile devices, enjoyed making it, and will enjoy people using it, knowing that it could not be half as fun on iPhone or iPad.

Bosco (Brad Hutchings)

One could argue whether or not that larger market share has ultimately led to significantly higher profits for Google - I have not seen any data one way or the other. In the long run, Apple could care less if Android has 90% of the market share If Apple has 90% of the profits.

rabber: That reflects a static view of how pricing, profits, and market share work. The Android ecosystem exerts very strong downward pressure on Apple’s prices, which in turn exerts strong downward pressure on Apple’s profits.

These numbers are probably wrong in detail though not in scale. Consider that HTC, Sammie, Moto, LG, etc. can comfortably operate on a 5% margin, while Apple prefers to proudly operate on a 30% margin. If the others can construct good enough phones efficiently enough, Apple’s sales then depend on its users being and remaining willing to pay a premium for the Apple devices. As the smart phone, and then the tablet markets reach a wider segment of the population, price points will matter more than brand or even premium beyond some level of good enough, and Apple’s brand power will not extend much further than its fans. Expect Apple’s margins to tighten considerably.

Additionally, the churn and innovation (yes, innovation) in an ecosystem with many competing creative forces will always greatly exceed that of an ecosystem with just one. Apple should have learned this in the 90s when an obviously inferior Windows kicked the Mac’s ass up and down the pitch. They should have learned it from phones, where Android started with < 1 % market share 20 months ago, and in a quickly growing market, now has a near majority of installed base. Really, Apple fans, doesn’t that embarrass you? Of course it does. That’s why your narrative is that Google “stole” Apple IP, despite Google doing all the important things differently, and contributing to making an arguably better phone for many, many customer segments.

I think it’s hilarious that you all think that Android has been critically injured. 3 months from now, you’ll have to explain how the critically injured Android with an overly hydrated crotch continues to eat market share like Tony Montana ate… Well, anyway, Bryan will need to add a little scar to his Android’s face in recognition of its continuing domination.

RonMacGuy

Expect Apple?s margins to tighten considerably.

Oh, and when will that be, Bosco? No estimated timeline this time Bosco? Too afraid to put dates on your predictions anymore? 20 million iphones this past quarter (142% increase). What happened to Apple approaching that 10-15% market share by end of 2011? What happened to that 60% android tablet market share by end of 2011? These are your failed predictions. Where were you on all the MacObserver Apple Q3 earnings report posts? No comment on those, yet incessant ramblings here. Pathetic. The only thing limiting Apple’s iPhone sales is their ability to make enough of them. Explain that!! Where is the hatred of Apple’s closed architecture? Where are the lines to buy android phones while burning flags with pictures of iPhones on them?

Meanwhile, android malware up from 80 in January to 400 in June. You actually think people will ignore this long-term and continue to praise open? Even the buy-one-get-one-free android deals won’t mean much.

I really wish people would stop feeding your need to argue. You ignore the positive and blow the negative way out of proportion. Oh well. Continue to ignore me since you can’t seem to actually respond to my counterarguments.

RonMacGuy

There is less friction in the Android world than the iOS world.

Yes, those 400 malware developers are thrilled with this. We should start a bet on when android malware will hit 1,000.  November? December? LOL.

Lee Dronick
RonMacGuy

Check out today?s Joy of Tech comic.

Thank you, Sir Harry!! It gave me a smile at the start of what will be a difficult day!!

Bilbo63

Google complains that Microsoft, Oracle and Apple are being uncompetitive? Seriously? Google rips-off other companies IP and R & D willy-nilly, then give it away for free. In my book THAT is being uncompetitive.

These companies are simply protecting their work and if that means that there will actually be a cost attributed to the Android OS, that simply levels the playing field for all. THAT is being competitive. It is pretty hard to compete with free and when that “free” OS is also using your IP, it’s a double whammy.

Truthfully, I’m disgusted with Google, but I’m not surprised. Google’s Eric Schmidt posed as a partner to Apple, sat on their board and was privy to what Apple was working on with iPhone for the entire time that they were working on it. All the while taking Apple’s R & D right back to the Google labs so they could copy it and copy it they did, then give it away for free. You don’t sit on someone else’s board if you plan on competing with them in that space. Had Apple known what Google was planning, there is no way he would be on their board let alone have access to their R & D.

I avoid Google’s services wherever I can. I’d rather pay a reasonable fee for services from elsewhere than sell my soul to them and their real customers, the advertisers. It’s difficult because Google’s greasy fingers are almost everywhere.

Apple is not perfect and needs to be held to the same standards, but Google’s actions make me sick. They are the most anti-competitive company out there. Steal from everyone else and give the tech away for free… THAT’s competitive!

skipaq

Sir Harry, thanks that was right on. This article has been hijacked from Google wetting it pants over being ganged up on to once more bash Apple. The comic brings us back to what is going on. These business decisions, patent infringement cases, etc.  will become the text of study for BA students. IMHO Google’s public statements over the past several months on these matters will be hammered as classic no-no’s. I also believe their decisions that led their OEMs to legal troubles will prove to be bad business for OEMs. Samsung and HTC cannot be happy Android campers right now. That becomes Googles problem if these things keep adding up to loses. These OEMs operate on too low a margin to have added legal and perhaps licensing costs.

As for Apple’s Verizon Unicorn, I predict that will become Android’s nightmare. How in the world can the iphone 4 be outperforming the far superior (lol) Android offerings at Verizon? That performance is about to become a tidal wave this fall. From a business point of view this must also have these OEMs concerned. As for tablets; there is no debate because there is no real competition as yet. And yes, we are nearing the end of 2011 when Apple’s sand castles were supposed to crumble. Shrinking niche market indeed! We should all be so successful.

mhikl

At times TMO is the Great Comedy Hour.

For someone to have a personal rule, be the epitome of that rule, to publicly announce the rule and then blatantly give personal examples emphasising how he is his personal rule is so hysterically beyond funny.

Some laundry should not be hung out in pubic.

RonMacGuy

mhikl, I was thinking along a different analogy. If you are marching in a parade behind a horse, and the horse dumps a load of crap right in front of you, do you stop the parade and argue with the horse about the crap it just spewed out, or do you just step over the crap and continue on your merry way?

Right now a lot of us are getting sucked into arguing with the horse about his crap.

So, I say, let the horse crap where he wants, and we should just step over it and continue to watch Apple grow at incredible rates while bringing in the lion’s share of the industry profits and fast becoming the most valuable company in America. The outcome of the lawsuits will happen as they are intended to happen - there is no reason to argue so much about why one feels the outcome will happen in a particular way. The horse is clueless why you are arguing with it in the first place - he has a God-given right to crap where he wants to.

mhikl

Good point, Ron. And, the horse no longer rules the roads and in most modern municipalities, he must wear a diaper when out in public.

Someone round here is running about without his nappy.

I have so much I should like to say on the topic of creative speech but I suspect this thread may have run its course so I will publish when the next opportunity arises. I do hope you and Nemo and others have studied this thread’s posts intensely. So many foot prints staining the sophist’s mouth.

Skipaq, the Deceiver is in decline and knows it. His last gasps are embarrassing.

mrmwebmax

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rabber: That reflects a static view of how pricing, profits, and market share work. The Android ecosystem exerts very strong downward pressure on Apple?s prices, which in turn exerts strong downward pressure on Apple?s profits.

Bosco, in what universe does Android exert “very strong downward pressure on Apple’s prices”? When did Apple cut the price of the iPhone, or use 2-for-1 pricing to entice people to buy one? Oh, that’s right: Never. They, in fact, have the #1 smartphone in the world (see Nemo’s comment and link), and it’s over a year old.

And the iPad? When did they cut the price on the iPad because of this very strong downward pressure? Oh, that’s right: Never. They can’t make them fast enough, while every Android tablet is greeted with a yawn.

And again, as per Nemo’s comments and link, Apple has two thirds of all of the profits of all mobile phones. So how can you even hope to make the claim that Android is exerting pressure of any kind on Apple’s prices and profits?

Bosco (Brad Hutchings)

Bosco, in what universe does Android exert ?very strong downward pressure on Apple?s prices?? When did Apple cut the price of the iPhone, or use 2-for-1 pricing to entice people to buy one? Oh, that?s right: Never.

That’s funny, because you can now get an iPhone 4 on contract in the $150 range from a number of vendors. I’ve done enough sales that you can trust me on this claim… If they were selling for $200 and maximizing returns for the vendors, they wouldn’t drop the contract price to $150.

mrmwebmax

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And who would those vendors be? Not Verizon or AT&T: I just checked both of their websites, and a new iPhone 4 is either $199 or $299, depending on memory, just as it was the day it launched well over a year ago.

Care to provide links?

RonMacGuy

you can trust me on this claim

Trust you?  Hilarious.

Lee Dronick

The teaser on the Huffington Post home page read:

Gmail Unveils New Apple-Like Feature

Google has released a new feature for Gmail that will change the way you read your email forever—provided you are not already reading your email on an iPad…The new Preview Pane, combined with the aesthetic overhaul, makes the future Gmail almost indistinguishable from the current one, and appears to continue the “iOSification” of the personal computer.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/05/gmail-preview-pane-release_n_919277.html

Bosco (Brad Hutchings)

Care to provide links?

Care to provide an apology for not having your facts straight?

RonMacGuy

How about your facts, Bosco?

“...in a move many believe is a stock clearing measure to make room for the iPhone 5.”

I don’t see how you can think this is related to android exerting “very strong downward pressure on Apple?s prices?.

Care to apologize for not having your facts straight?

mrmwebmax

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Nice sleight of hand, Bosco. Your original claim was that Android exerts very strong downward pressure on Apple’s prices and profits. Yet your only evidence of this is an article stating that Target and Radio Shack are reducing the price of the iPhone 4.

Clever. But completely off-topic.

Apple and its two wireless partners, AT&T and Verizon, have not reduced the iPhone 4’s price by a single penny. That Radio Shack and Target did—in a move many said was to clear inventory for the iPhone 5, according to the very article you’d linked to—is absolutely ZERO evidence of any downward pressure from Android on Apple’s prices and profits. It is only evidence that Radio Shack and Target—for whatever reason—reduced the price of the iPhone 4.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with Apple, nor to your original downward pressure claim. No apology forthcoming.

mrmwebmax

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RonMacGuy, didn’t mean to repeat your post…was obviously writing mine while you were posting yours, as we’re just a minute apart!

RonMacGuy

No worries, mrmgraphics!! Bosco is ignoring me anyway, so better that you replied as well. Yours sounds better too!!

Amazing how Bosco asks for apologies, when he has never offered one for his screw-ups. Truly amazing. What an ego!!

mhikl

mrmgraphics, Target, Radio Shack, the Dollar Store. Give us a break.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Bosco,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

One of the things on earth is that what ever the price and contract by Radio Shack, Apple gets its full price which is a heck of a lot higher than $199.

Another thing, also of this earth is that Apple owns profit share and that makes all the difference. The Lemonade Stand group, not so much.

mhikl

I have to add, the 2 for 1 deals are about a Droid-in-trouble desperately getting rid of flaky-stock or a desperate grasp for share. When a Droidinstein takes such a cut it not only hits profits but coin against build cost as well, which doesn’t make for a very healthy business spreadsheet. How Apple does, nay commands its business is not the ways of any Android slag. Too respectable for such antics.

The tides are turning and every season has its time and this season’s time is ending.

RonMacGuy

Sure, it’s easy to get sucked into arguing with Bosco, but in all seriousness, there is absolutely no way he is capable of or is willing to attempt to downplay the latest Particle Debris link of which John states “Prepare to be stunned.”

How Apple is sucking the profit out of the mobile phone market

I know you are ignoring me Bosco, but I challenge you to explain, if you can, the results from this link. Almost a year ago, Apple had a 3% share of the global mobile phone market and was taking 39% of the profit. By the first quarter of 2011, Apple unit share had grown to 5% and its profit share to 55%. And now, the iPhone last quarter took in 5.6% of unit sales and 66.3% of the profit. Note that they are talking about all cell phones all over the world, not just smartphones and not just in the U.S.

Increasing market share and increasing profit share with premium pricing and technology that is at least 14 months old in a still-somewhat-down economy.

In all seriousness, this is pretty amazing performance. Blows me away.

Lee Dronick

More Shakespeare please.

mhikl

I know you are ignoring me Bosco

You are indeed blessed, my son. Don’t go looking a dead horse in the eye or it may drink your water.

That’s as close as I can come tonight, Sir Henry.

mrmwebmax

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Bosco, I notice you are ignoring all of us after we obliterated your ridiculous claims via reasoning and facts. Please, I DEMAND an APOLOGY (as you so often do) for your sheer ignorance of facts, and unwillingness to address any argument counter to your claims.

Play by your own made-up rules, you miserable, pitiful little troll.

RonMacGuy

Shakespeare?!?!? I can do Shakespeare!!

The winter of Bosco’s discontent. What a piece of work is an iPhone 5. All the world’s a stage for the upcoming release. To sleep, perchance to dream of my new iPhone 5. Such stuff as dreams are made of. Alas, poor Bosco, fortune’s fool, beware the ides of October (expected release date). Out, damned android. Something is rotten in the state of google. Et tu, Bosco? To thine own self be true!

Thank you.  Thank you. Parting is such sweet sorrow.

mhikl

I suspect the Bard would approve the modern version of his good works. All to good purpose.

The Apple Envier’s Prayer

O! let me not be mad, not mad, sweet heaven;
Keep me in temper; I would not be mad!

Sadly, it didn’t work until too late. Oh, well, that’s crazy for you.

Lee Dronick

Let me eat this flat bread pizza and drink a cerveza mas fina, then I will give the Richard III speech a shot, I have some ideas on that one.

Lee Dronick

Now is the winter of our discontent?
Made glorious iOS by this son of Newton;?
And all the ?Droids that low’r'd upon our house?
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.

RonMacGuy

Beautiful. (Tear in eye). Bravo!! Bravo!!

mhikl

Yes, excellent, Sir. Ditto Ron.

And this becomes a text clipping to check when next I need a meditative verse.

This adds a whole new diminution* to the Bards work, which could be a challenge to good taste but a treat to the funny bone. Unfortunately for me, something has to click that brings the right play or phrase to mind. I have no control over it.

*(I meant dimension but spell corrector chose the former and I kind of like it.)

Neil Anderson

Love your graphic of Android wetting itself. I’ll bet if we could see the reverse side it’d be brown!

Lee Dronick

This adds a whole new diminution* to the Bards work, which could be a challenge to good taste but a treat to the funny bone. Unfortunately for me, something has to click that brings the right play or phrase to mind. I have no control over it.

The Bard would have gotten a kick out it.

Yes, the Muses have to be with me, and usually no one else as they tend to distract. After I put up the Richard III quote I improved it a bit by changing the last line.

Now is the winter of our discontent?
Made glorious iOS by this son of Newton;?
And all the ?Droids that low?r’d upon our house?
In the deep BIN of recycle buried.

I meant dimension but spell corrector chose the former and I kind of like it.

It works

RonMacGuy

I believe the Bard would have had an iPad if he were alive today!!

Reading (and participating) in some of the recent debates on TMO reminds me of when I was getting my MBA. The Gulf War was going on (showing my age here) and the fanatics (pro-war and anti-war) were camped out in front of the main building. I would walk by them every day. One of the anti-war people would walk up to me and say “Hey, are you pro-war or anti-war?” I would say “Pro-war” and this would start a 10 minute debate. Then, I would walk further and one of the pro-war people would ask me if I was pro-war, and I would reply, “No, stop the war!!” and then I would argue for 10 minutes on why we should not be fighting. These people would get red in the face supporting their own stance 100% - unwilling to see or even acknowledge the other side. It was good debating practice for me, and added some humor to my day. But, it also got old kind of fast.

It is so obvious that someone in particular acts in a very similar fashion. I love a good debate, but when one side is so anti-Apple they ignore the good and only focus on the bad, it gets old pretty fast. It is easy to argue just your negative points, ignore the favorable items, and toss in the occasional “Steve Jobs is a blankety blank” and “Apple lovers are blankety closed minded” - but they should take a look in the mirror!! Hoping that Apple fails because of your intense hatred of them makes for a pathetically sad individual. But, I will say, to attempt to go up against Nemo was kind of fun to watch. Kudos there.

mhikl

Sir Henry and Ron,

This has been a fine lark, a very good show. There is
now more variety in literary style on TMO than ever (check out Ken) and even the great distractor once contributed a sound piece of poesy and was momentarily made the better for it?which may be why no other followed. The originality, challenging thinking and good humour on this site far exceed what is found on the myriad of other AppleInterest sites and that is all to its favour. I am failing to find many sites for the fans of Droid, but that goes to show.

RonMacGuy

Hey, more good news for Apple.

Civil War of Smart Phones

No doubt now that iPhone will win the war over android: Didn’t the North beat the South in the Civil War?

grin

Lee Dronick

I rarely read the comments on an Android site and don’t visit them very often. However, it is my observation that they are more hardware types than creative types. Not that engineering isn’t creative but it is different from writing, art, music and such.

mhikl

Not that engineering isn?t creative but it is different from writing, art, music and such.

And look at the science of physics. Numbers, the most mundane of communications but the literary dances* this subject inspires commends the human spirt. We seem programmed to seek the face of God.

* The Dancing Wu Wi Wasters is still a fascinating read.

Lee Dronick

And look at the science of physics. Numbers, the most mundane of communications but the literary dances* this subject inspires commends the human spirt. We seem programmed to seek the face of God.

* The Dancing Wu Wi Wasters is still a fascinating read.

I have read it twice, it is deep.

Lee Dronick

Reading (and participating) in some of the recent debates on TMO reminds me of when I was getting my MBA. The Gulf War was going on (showing my age here)

I had retired from the Navy the year before the Gulf War and was working at Beagle Bros, feeling my age here smile

mhikl

Where is Bosco in all this? I just reread his George Mirel letter again and his answer to himself and find it to be the most hysterical Boscovian piece to date. Dang, he must have found some coin and is treating himself to a date with his fav person. Well, BBQ is going and I just heard a bing so a DL has occurred. (

RonMacGuy

Where is Bosco in all this?

To answer, I go once more tonight to our beloved Billy Shakespeare:

“Of all base passions, fear is the most accursed”

Goodnight.

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