iPad 2 Specs Are a Disappointment

| Editorial

The tablet competition was basically caught off guard in 2010. It took them a year to create viable competition for the iPad and while some have shipped (Motorola Xoom) several other major competitors (H-P TouchPad, RIM PlayBook) have not. Even so, while the competition was back to the drawing board, square one, having to design both hardware and a viable tablet OS, Apple had a year to jump way ahead.

Here’s a comparison chart of the iPads and Motorola Xoom. (My colleague, Bryan Chaffin has posted a bigger, better version.)

iPads vs Xoom

What’s notable is that the Xoom has a million pixel display while the iPad 2 has 786K pixels. What happened to Apple locking up the majority of the capacitive screens from Samsung?

I can’t complain about the RAM because Apple hasn’t announced the RAM in the iPad 2, and only rumors point to 512 MB, just as the iPhone 4. Apple likes to skimp on RAM to force the developers to write lean, clean code.

The Xoom has stereo speakers, not just stereo on the headphone jack. The Xoom has HFMI 1.4 built in; for Apple it seemed like an emergency afterthought.

It’s hard to be certain, not having 4.3 in-hand, but the iPad 2 presentation today suggests that Apple isn’t really into (or ready for) some kind of conventional file transfers from a Mac or PC to/from an iPad via USB — or something. That didn’t matter with the new MacBook Pros; Apple went ahead and included Thunderbolt even though not many peripherals have shipped. Nor does Apple appear ready to release the iPad’s dependence on a host PC or Mac.

Don’t get me wrong. I think the iPad 2 is a fabulous device, and we’ll add one to our family. I’m just mildly surprised that, given a year’s head start, Apple didn’t produce an iPad that’s not only better than a lot of the competition, but also didn’t virtually shut down the competition and dismay them.

If I were Motorola, I’d be happy with my hardware and focus more on better marketing, retail accessibility, apps and pricing. Of course, that’s the whole point of Apple’s overall lead and the superiority of the iPad 2. Even so, I’m now wondering whether Apple doesn’t, in fact, have to bring out an iPad 3 for Christmas to definitively widen the gap in a way they would have liked to do today.

As Craig Ferguson says, I look forward to your letters.

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Comments

FlipFriddle

Reviews comment that the Xoom’s speakers are awful and worse than iPad 1, so that’s hardly an advantage. The tale will be whether Moto can sell them at the very high price they command. Apple may benefit for the first time from “good enough,” when users see that the iPad is cheaper (especially since a wifi only Xoom is merely a rumor).
In the end, it’s all about the apps, and iPad is still king there.

sflocal

Once again, we’re at the same tired, and beaten-to-a-pulp subject of what constitutes a successful product.

When folks and tech-heads focus solely on hardware-specs, you already lost the argument.

Recent articles comparing the iPad 1.0 to the Xoom have determined that the dual-core, NVidia-powered XOOM is about the same speed as the V1.0 iPad.

What will it take to drill the concept into your brains that we’re beyond the point where it’s all about hardware.  So long as Android remains a separate component to the hardware, and must be adapted by the individual hardware manufacturers to function on their flavor of device, Android will always play catch-up and become fragmented.

Apple’s iPad works so much better because Apple controls both sides of the equation.  Hardware and Software.  They are obsessive-compulsive about it.  It’s more fluid, it’s simply a pleasure to use.

Only you folks care about 512MB, 1GB RAM, Dual-Core, Quad-Core, Ghz, etc.  Most folks really don’t care because if the experience is seamless and fluid, why care?

I give up.  I look forward to the day when tech-heads no longer can use hardware-specs as a reason to slam a product.

On a side note, enjoy your new iPad2.  I’ll be buying two.

paikinho

I’m getting and iPad2 for the kids. Never really considered a Xoom since the apps aren’t there yet. Plus my kids just intuitively are able to do all kinds of things on iPad. 10 minutes in the store had them whizzing around on the thing. Amazing.

Hardware stats are nice, but for Utility, at least for now it is the iPad.

Algae

Seriously? You can’t distinguish specs from a successful product? Have you ever used an Apple product?

John Martellaro

I think you guys know that I know how successful the iPad 2 will be. Don’t mis-read the editorial.  The point is that I’m surprised, given a whole year head start, the specs weren’t better than they are.

RonMacGuy

Why come out with something revolutionary when you still command a 90% market share and people are buying your product like crazy?  Come out with Gen 2 with enough to stay ahead of the pack, while continuing development perfecting the revolutionary Gen 3 product for when the competition finally gets off the ground (if they ever do).  Why blow them away when you don’t have to?

Trust me, I’d rather have all the bells and whistles now, but if they can’t make them cost competitive yet, then keep working it in design until you can.  Price is a huge factor, so it doesn’t make sense to add hundreds more and come out with a retina screen when it really isn’t needed yet to compete.  Best screen in the world doesn’t matter without the apps or the OS really utilizing it.  I kind of agree with Apple’s approach here.

csimmons

So the Xoom has better specs on the surface. WHO CARES? There is so much pent up demand for the iPad 2 that the Xoom specs really don’t matter.

On a side note: I’m listening to AP Network News on the Radio (I live in Germany and listen to American Forces Network), and the lead story was the iPad 2 announcement, BEFORE the breaking story of 4 US soldiers being shot at the Frankfurt International Airport. THAT’s how huge the iPad is. Sad, really…

John Martellaro

RonMacGuy. Because other sites will notice what I noticed and use it as an opening.  I’d rather see Apple go for the jugular now while the competition is weak. Dismay and demoralize them.

tjspiel

As someone who’d like to deploy a web app on iPads, I care about specs. The cache limitations on the original iPad have a real impact.  512MB is probably enough to make it mostly a non-issue but it definitely does matter.

Bosco (Brad Hutchings)

You know what else has HDMI out? A so-called cheap ViewSonic G-tablet. $380 at Office Depot. I ran into one in the wild today. A sales guy with a software company had one. Not a nerd or a geek, a sales guy. He’d rooted it and installed a custom ROM from XDA. He had a widget on the screen for flight tracking, and was hooked up to Outlook with it. He pointed out the HDMI port and noted that when he makes a sales presentation, he plugs into a flatscreen in the meeting room and shows his PowerPoint presentations.

AngryBirds plays awesome on it, and I dialed up Kongregate in the web browser to try out a couple Flash games.

I don’t think Apple is going to know what hit them a year from now. We’re at the point where basically all of this stuff is indistinguishable from magic, and there’s no need to accept the constraints of Apple.

jfbiii

2048x1536 probably wasn’t price competitive yet, and Apple isn’t interested in anything except doubling the pixels. Everything else looks worse, including stretching 1024x768 up to 1280x800.

tjspiel

A Viewsonic-G ? I saw one at Office Depot too.  It wasn’t working.  According to the staff, that was the 2nd demo unit within a few weeks to fail.

And seriously, how many people are going to root one of these?  Geeks - yes.  Joe Public - no.  They’ll spend the extra $150 and get something that does what they want out of the box.

Anh

xoom is good if they lower the price

JonGl

Ironically, John, your article is the most negative one I’ve read this evening. It seems the PC press is quite taken with the iPad 2. Bit like you, I kind of wondered where the souped up specs were, especially screen resolution. I think GarageBand will keep most critics occupied (and drooling) for a while, so I guess we are safe for the moment. grin

Tiger

Moment of snark: Yeah, what a disappointment. Analysts are already downgrading Motorola on the stocks after iPad 2 was announced.

Considering it’s a second-generation of a product in what, six or seven months, when the very few other competitors out there (VERY FEW) are just on generation one, it’s not that big of a surprise. Why give away everything in one fell swoop. Six months from now, iPad 3 will have LED-flashes for the camera, probably some other “port”, (LightPeak????), weigh even less than 1.3 lbs., and still be getting more than 3x the battery life of the Xoom.

Yeah, three times. Some of us pay attention to the subtle differences.

Snark over: what will be interesting is there response not by Motorola, but to see if any other of the 106 tablets “announced” at CES ever make it into production. As we’ve seen, these devices are not the simplest to get out to customers.

BTW, if you’re going to complain about Apple’s ‘draconian’ ecosystem, you’re gonna have to live with frequent amounts of this:

Google yanks developer’s Trojan-laced apps.

Bosco (Brad Hutchings)

@tjspiel: Laugh if you like. This was a sales guy, not a “geek”. I could certainly see the price point on the cheapo tablets coming down and it being more than worth it to customize and outfit a small office with them.

sflocal

A sales guy with a software company had one. Not a nerd or a geek, a sales guy. He?d rooted it and installed a custom ROM from XDA. He had a widget on the screen for flight tracking, and was hooked up to Outlook with it.

He’s not a nerd or geek? Yet he rooted his tablet and installed a custom-rom?  You have a different standard as to what is a nerd or geek.

This is precisely the problem with apple-haters.  You can’t see past your own beliefs to understand why folks love to use iPads.  To you, It’s all about getting root access which frankly, most people don’t care about.

The tablet industry lay stillborn for 20 years and it took Apple to re-vitalize the industry doing exactly what all you folks hate.  Make it simple to use.  Even then, folks like you ripped on the iPad with a line-by-line assault of why it will never sell.  Now, less than a year later, all the Android copy machines fired-up after Apple did all the R&D work and suddenly, a market that you folks said would never be successful is the hottest area to be in.

And after all that time Android had to warm up their copy-machines, Flash still doesn’t work in a stable form on Android.

The disgusting thing about Android tablets is that most will end up in landfills.  Makers only make money selling new hardware.  That’s the reality.  They are not motivated to porting the new release of Android into an “old” six-month old tablet because there is no money in it for them.  What a shame.  Boatloads of used electronic equipment heading overseas to some third-world country so it can be “their problem”.

Have fun designing your Flash apps on the Xoom.  Oh wait.. Flash isn’t yet working on the Xoom… But just wait when it is right???  Pfft…

John Molloy

@Bosco
“I don?t think Apple is going to know what hit them a year from now. We?re at the point where basically all of this stuff is indistinguishable from magic, and there?s no need to accept the constraints of Apple.”

You will be proven so wrong on this fan fueled theory.

iphonzie

He?d rooted it and installed a custom ROM from XDA.

Sorry, I don’t care what his job is. This statement defines the guy as a geek. My mom, sister, wife, daughter, neighbors, etc are not going to root a device and install a custom ROM, just to save a few bucks and get an inferior overall experience.

Lee Dronick

BTW, if you?re going to complain about Apple?s ?draconian? ecosystem, you?re gonna have to live with frequent amounts of this:

Google yanks developer?s Trojan-laced apps.

I took a look at that link. Sex still sells.

sflocal

I think you guys know that I know how successful the iPad 2 will be. Don?t mis-read the editorial.? The point is that I?m surprised, given a whole year head start, the specs weren?t better than they are.

I reiterate my original post John.  Stop focusing on specs.  If Apple put some 8-core A27 CPU in it, the next thing you’ll be “disappointed” about is that the battery lasts only 10 minutes?  Give it a break will ya?

We’re not misreading your article John.  As far as specs go, it has a dual core CPU, 9x faster graphics, slimmer design, cameras and Apple’s top-notch iOS that’s efficient, fast, and solid and the same 10-hour battery life.

Honestly John, what the heck are you expecting?  Some kind of Homer-mobile?  Stop feeding into that viscous cycle will ya?!

This was a solid update that shows Apple takes a methodical approach and thinks everything through.  I can’t stand the old PC paradigm that everything has to have the most latest, greatest, untested, power-hungry components and ports.  It’s really, really old.

Have you noticed all the fandroids being very quiet on the subject of the Xoom / iPad performance issue?  Why aren’t you writing anything about how “disappointed” you are that a brand-new, high-horsepower “iPad-Killer” like the XOOM is not any faster than a 1-year old piece of Apple hardware?  Heaven forbid Apple actually is better at this stuff and can squeeze more performance from their products than the other makers.

Speccy

Help us out.  Which spec, exactly, would you want more from?

That is, Apple kept the same price as last year (and $200 cheaper than the equivalent XOOM), while doubling the RAM, doubling the number of cores, adding 2 (!!) cameras, and made it smaller than it was, while still offering better battery life than any other tablet on the market.

Those seem like rather impressive upgrades to things users actually care about.  The performance is sure to be significantly better, and you can do video calls, and it’s smaller.

Are you suggesting that Apple should have spent their time and money improving some other attributes instead?  Or improved other attributes in addition to these, causing the iPad to be more expensive this year?  Or improved these things *and* other things and taken a cash loss this year?  I can’t figure out what you’re actually suggesting.

I certainly can’t find a way to escape the trichotomy of “some things better but some things worse”, “raise price to consumers”, or “take a loss on each one”.  That’s how product development works.

Sure, the XOOM has a higher megapixel front camera, and stereo speakers, and a magnetometer, and built-in HDMI, but have you ever heard a single iPad owner (or potential owner) say “Gee the iPad seems nice but I need stereo speakers on the device itself” or “Video calls are great but my mom needs to see my face in at least 2 MP”?

(Also, it seems kind of silly to have everyone pay for HDMI ports on the device itself for the 1% of people who’d ever use it—if they’re using HDMI, then by definition they’re OK with an external cable.  I really don’t understand that issue.)

Motorola is probably already dismayed, but not by the hardware, as nice as it is.  They’re in a rough spot because they don’t have their own OS or software ecosystem.  Everybody makes Android tablets now.  What’s special about the XOOM?  Slightly higher MP on the camera?

Tiger

Harry, even “bad” sex.

Explains Jersey Shore’s ratings, huh?

Garion

John Mattelaros narrowminded spec-nonsense is a disappointment.

geoduck

I’m not sure I would agree with Disappointment.
I’d have liked to see the cameras from the iP4, but these will do.
The screen didn’t really surprise me. As mentioned above double resolution screens are cost prohibitive at this point. Moto also did not have to worry about thousands of Apps set for the existing resolution so they could start with something higher.
I’m not sure why anyone needs a magnetometer so that omission doesn’t bother me. It’s like having a rudder on a bicycle. Interesting but why?

Overall though. this is a very satisfactory update.Thinner, lighter, cameras, faster, and most importantly NO PRICE INCREASE.

What would be really cool would be if this fall they added a top end iPad with the fantastic screen you mentioned and 10MP cameras and all the other stuff. A $1200 iPad as a top end droolworty addition. But most of us would still grab the 32Gb iPad2 and be very happy.

iphonzie

Apple made the point that specs don’t matter for post-PC devices; user experience is the only thing that counts. This is the flaw in the other PC makers’ attempts at making post-PC devices - they attempt to compete with Apple on the spec sheet, and consumers don’t care. Consumers want the device that feels best in their hand, works best with their media and apps, and does what they want it to do.

Comparing specs is old-school thought.

Jim Bowers

There are a lot of die hard Apple averse folks (some post here) who will always struggle to find the weakest aspects of any given Apple product. Don’t get me wrong there are weaknesses, but - face it - all products have them. These people 1) don’t like the experience or 2) resent that their favorite company didn’t do it first or 3) just don’t want to have it the way Apple has it. They will focus on specs when nothing else is available. Apple knows this and moves in its own patterns.

Remember the iPod touch 1 and 2? (I had both.) They weren’t that different, compared to iPod touch 3 or 4G. (I have a 4G now as well.)
Apple does this incremental increase in capability/form factor plus the evolution of software. They are convincing in their marketing because 1) they have the long term plan in mind, 2) they know what is coming in their product lines and 3) they provide value while maintaining a consistent pricing structure. Now if you add in that they started the product category (not really started it but made the category clearly visible in the public’s mind - which is essentially the same thing), this all results in lots of money (APLL now at $352.12) and very high quality products. (Apple can adjust the product to their customer, lead the customer to a more satisfying experience and benefit from advances made by competitors that are trying to catch up.) If Apple fails to satisfy its customers there are always the competitors waiting, waiting, waiting…

So, as others have posted here: let the iPad 2 be the evolutionary product it is and if it meets your needs - buy it. If it doesn’t meet those needs, buy something else that does or be patient the next iteration may fill the bill.

rlo

Specs are not everything. As a previous poster had mentioned its usability and intuitiveness.

I have a toddler than can barely put together a comprehensible sentence but was able to pick up an iPad at a local Best Buy and use it as effectively as any other iPad user, except spelling out URL’s in Safari.
Playing Angry Birds, navigating to iBooks and watching/reading a Toy Story book and navigating to their built in pictures.

paikinho

I certainly can?t find a way to escape the trichotomy of ?some things better but some things worse?, ?raise price to consumers?, or ?take a loss on each one?.  That?s how product development works.
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I need to start working tricotomy into my standard spiels!!! hahahahaa.
Awesome.

Lee Dronick

Harry, even ?bad? sex.

Explains Jersey Shore?s ratings, huh?

I would buy that for a dollar!

Seriously though I note that a lot of the trojan apps appealed to our sexual nature and when you thinking with that particular brain you’re often don’t think about the ramifications.

John Martellaro

I can see, and have read about, Apple wanting to go to full 2x resolution: 2048 x 1536.  I also read about technical difficulties and cost getting there, hence the delay.  So in that area, I was disappointed. I can do that.

Nemo

Well, specs are one thing, while the iPad 2 is something else, and I hope, as has been true for all of Apple’s products in the Jobs eras at Apple, that the iPad 2 is something more than its specs.  The idea that we want to keep in mind for any well designed product is the Gestalt that produces a great experience for users, that is, the sum of the iPad 2’s whole is greater than the sum of its parts, or, in this case, the iPad 2’s user’s experience is greater than the sum of its specs. 

A great failing among engineers in designing a product, as well exemplified by Nokia, is a focus on superior specs and features to the exclusion of making a great product, often resulting in a terrible product with superior specs.  Again, Nokia is Exhibit One.  Let’s see whether Apple with the iPad 2 has designed a device that provides a superior user’s experience, notwithstanding any perceived average-ness in its specs.

And a word about the iPad 2’s specs.  Simply saying, for example, that the A5 has two cores, as does the Tegra, tells one little, if anything, about which of those two SOCs is the superior chip for tablets.  Which points out another problem with reducing specs to numbers without context or making specious qualitative comparison:  Such comparison often don’t even accurately compare the specs, which may be the case with many of specs comparisons in the chart, supra.

mhikl

Love Old Crow’s crowing about the future again. It’s called vapour-prediction.

Remember what he said about Apple nixing Flash? They’d be dead in the water without it, or words of the sort.

A year ago HTML5 ran 10% of the video; today, over 60%.

If this represents his accuracy in predicting the future, no one has to wipe the smile off his face.

Cool.

mhikl

Only read up to Ron but both he and sflocal and all between get it. All the opposition is going to do is copy so it makes no sense to give away the family jewels. Enough to beat the comp and then slam them when their down to their last dime, not enough to buy the solder. Worked with the iPod. Can’t see it not happening here.

Stereo speakers on a small computer device. Now that’s desperation. I should worry when Apple attempts such feeble feats.

Flash is an example of Apple seeing the future and then snickering whilst blowhards wail and defeatists wring their hands.

The competition are making small computers. Apple’s inventing a new way to do what a computer used to do and new ways to do things we never thought possible.

Montresor

“Because other sites will notice what I noticed and use it as an opening.  I?d rather see Apple go for the jugular now while the competition is weak. Dismay and demoralize them.”

You mean capture more marketshare? An analyst today speculated that Apple’s tablet lead won’t last forever - he expects Android tablets to catch up to the iPad’s marketshare….by 2015. A full six years after the iPad’s release.

At this point, I don’t think, and I don’t believe Apple thinks, that they need to start defining themselves by their competition’s specs. That kind of thinking puts you into a losing race. Apple doesn’t see the iPad as the product - they see the experience you have and access via the iPad and the iPhone as the product. This is probably *really* hard for tech writers to get their heads around, because it doesn’t fit neatly into a chart with columns, but it is immediately obvious to the buying public. We’ll have to see if the Xoom will have the same effect on people, although I suspect not.

Lee Dronick

An analyst today speculated that Apple?s tablet lead won?t last forever - he expects Android tablets to catch up to the iPad?s marketshare?.by 2015. A full six years after the iPad?s release.

As if Apple will be sitting on laurel leaves all that time.

ravedog

About stereo:

Think about it, the reason the iPad is mono is that it has billed itself as the “no one way is up” design… if you have stereo speakers then left and right are not left and right in more than one position. If you want stero - plug in headphones that will always be the correct stereo no matter how you turn the unit.

ravedog

The other thing is it’s never been about the raw specs with the iOS devices… it has ALWAYS been about the experience. (example: the Phone 4’s camera at a “paltry” 5MP is still a better camera than most of the 8MP cameras on other phones).

And bottom line, its about the apps and experience.

Bosco (Brad Hutchings)

Hey ravedog… Think about this. I’m not sure which Android tablet has 3 speakers (one of them does), but it’s so you can have stereo in both landscape and portrait orientation. I know, it’s not innovative because Apple didn’t think of it first. Yada yada.

ravedog

Hey Bosco…
That would work. Actually 4… 1 on each side - then depending on the orientation, the OS can mix the correct speakers.

roni

Just can’t get away from useless specs to the land of total user experience, it seems

So sorry you are disappointed.

RonMacGuy

If this represents his accuracy in predicting the future, no one has to wipe the smile off his face.

Hey mhikl, it is sad that Punxsutawney Phil is actually a better predictor of the future than Old Crow.  His “Apple is going to fail in, oh, about 1 year.” predictions are just hilarious now.  I’ve been watching long enough now to know that it is always basically a year out.  Every 3-4 months he resets to yet another year from now.  I am saving some of my favorites from late 2010 now so I can post them later this year to show how far off he is.

Funny stuff.

Bosco (Brad Hutchings)

Actually, it’s 3 speakers. And Vizio is making it.

If I had to guess today, I’d say Apple faces more competitive pressure this year from Vizio than from Moto or Sammy simply because Vizio knows how to make very good products at low price points and has the best distribution through the discounters. I have happily recommended Vizio to friends who didn’t yet have HDTVs for the past 3 years. I am sure they will be the tablet you can confidently recommend to newbies as well.

wab95

In fairness, and not to defend John (although I guess I am, but that’s not the point) but I do think some of the posts here miss the point he was making in the article. His point, as I read it, was not a spec-for-spec comparison, which unfortunately the table above belies, but that Apple could have, in the words of a Porsche-loving friend of mine, ‘opened her up’ and smoked the competition.

Admittedly, those of us who seek integrated solutions are more concerned with how well a given device plays within that ecosphere than we are with individual specs. Afterall, if integration and productivity are our objectives, than an integrated device is more than just the sum of its specs.

But this neither diminishes nor addresses John’s point, and it’s an important one. Why did Apple, despite its near one year lead on the competition, not overwhelm them with shock and awe? Many expected this, and most would agree, Apple have the capability.

I think both RonMacGuy and Tiger are both partially correct in that it may simply not have been cost effective to do so; afterall, part of Apple’s strategy is clearly to compete on price. To hold that line, given today’s tech/price points, the calculus may not have been favourable. A less ambitious refresh still puts them in contention with the best out there (not many yet - another reason why they may have shown restraint), while their real ace is the total integrated package, an area where the competition still lags.

But there may be another, more strategic reason (the operative word here is ‘may’). At this stage in the contest, Apple do not need to show ‘what they’ve got’. An acceptable strategy in unarmed combat is to do just enough to keep your opponent engaged, while getting him/her to show you their best. You learn their strengths and weaknesses. Muhammad Ali was a past-master at this, holding back in the early rounds, lulling his competitor into thinking that he could hold his own with Ali, and then suddenly, Ali unleashes hell and the last thing his opponent sees is the ‘Ali shuffle’ before waking up to a very good look at the ceiling.

Down the line with continued production, the price points of additional upgrades, e.g. screen resolution, may work to Apple’s strategic advantage of holding the line on cost. If I were their competitor, however, I might be more unnerved by what they did not do with this upgrade, than what they undoubtedly could do and will do in future.

Again, I maintain that Apple are playing the long game here, and, on their own terms and by their own time-table - circumstances permitting - they will lift the lid and part the curtain on where they are really going with this, and it will not be, if history is a precedent, where the competition or the public expected.

Crane

I don’t understand why do you even bother yourself comparing Apple junks with real products?! let those stupid fanboys play with their toys while we laugh and pity them!

John Martellaro

wab95: that was a great post with great insights.  Thanks for your contribution.

RonMacGuy

Again, I maintain that Apple are playing the long game here, and, on their own terms and by their own time-table

All good points, wab95.  One other key issue could be that if Apple smokes the competition now, and maintains a 90% + market share, it starts to smell of that nasty “M” word, causing lots of attention and study of how “unfair” it is for Apple to be so powerful (for example, for them to lock up total supply of touch screens, charge 30% on magazine subscriptions, etc…).  Apple needs Google and android to stick around in the tablet market, just like Microsoft needed Apple to stick around many years ago.  Nobody likes a monopoly, except for the board game!!

RonMacGuy

I don?t understand why do you even bother yourself comparing Apple junks with real products?!

Nice grammar, Crane.

Terrin

Engineering is about balance. Apple could have added more, but then cost and availability become issues. Apple’s closest competition in terms of specs is the Xoom, but it costs as much as $300 more. Further, Motorola doesn’t honestly expect to sell a lot of these. Apple can only add features that it can deliver in volume at a reasonable price.

Further, Apple really did redesign the product. It is a third thinner, significantly lighter, twice as fast in overall speed, and up to 9 times as fast for some video processes. It also has two new cameras all for the same price points.

I honestly don’t see how anybody could be disappointed.

Terrin

I also don’t know anybody who would know how to. I suspect the guy sells BS, just like Bosco.

Sorry, I don?t care what his job is. This statement defines the guy as a geek. My mom, sister, wife, daughter, neighbors, etc are not going to root a device and install a custom ROM, just to save a few bucks and get an inferior overall experience.

RonMacGuy

I am sure they will be the tablet you can confidently recommend to newbies as well.

Very interesting, a Vizio Tablet.  Can you please direct me to the release date of this tablet?  I can’t wait to try one.

It’s been a while since CES - yet I can’t find when they plan to release the Vizio Tablet.  Maybe this summer?

JS

These articles are a joke. Apple doesn’t have to blow away the competition…they already are. All the competition has is a spec sheet. No apps, no advantage in real world performance. All anyone has to do is watch the keynote for the iPad to to realize that it is far more advanced in usability then any other device like it in the planet.

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RonMacGuy

ou know what else has HDMI out? A so-called cheap ViewSonic G-tablet. $380 at Office Depot. I ran into one in the wild today. A sales guy with a software company had one. Not a nerd or a geek, a sales guy. He?d rooted it and installed a custom ROM from XDA. He had a widget on the screen for flight tracking, and was hooked up to Outlook with it. He pointed out the HDMI port and noted that when he makes a sales presentation, he plugs into a flatscreen in the meeting room and shows his PowerPoint presentations.

Yes, because HDMI is so essential for PowerPoint presentations.  LOL.  How about getting a $399 First Gen iPad now with a VGA, Component AV, or Composite AV connector and do the same thing?  No need to root or install custom ROMs (whatever those are).

b9bot

I think you’re WRONG!!
The hardware doesn’t make up the whole widget.
The software does that and no other manufacturer can match the IOS software period!!!!
Motorola, ASUS, and all the other copy machines are poor, fake, lousy imitators with piss poor software and malware and spyware to boot.
And at $799.00, I’ll take the iPad over those other devices any day!!!

RCSJ

Simply comparing spec will not give you a whole picture.

I am comparing the following 2 cars listed below. Both cars are 4WD, Benz is “500hp” and is 120K, Porsche is “345hp” and is 84K.  Porsche is low in hp and is cheaper, but it is faster, handles better and look better.

2010 Porsche 911 Coupe 4S Features & Specs $84K

  * Base engine size: 3.6 L
  * Cam type: Double overhead cam (DOHC)
  * Cylinders: flat 6
  * Valves: 24
  * Valve timing: Variable
  * Direct injection
  * Torque: 288 ft-lbs. @ 4400 rpm
  * Horsepower: 345 hp @ 6500 rpm
  * Turning circle: 35.8 ft.

2010 Mercedes-Benz G-Class G55 AMG Features & Specs $120K

  * Base engine size: 5.4 L
  * Cam type: Single overhead cam (SOHC)
  * Cylinders: V8
  * Valves: 24
  * Torque: 516 ft-lbs. @ 2750 rpm
  * Horsepower: 500 hp @ 6100 rpm
  * Turning circle: 43.5 ft.

haywire

He may not be a geek. Not too many people bite the heads off of chickens these days.

dmuzzy

In terms of business needs, I think the HDMI out will be a huge factor. That is probably one of the biggest grips that I hear at work. Yes, you can output PowerPoint (Keynote), but many sales reps and marketing folks want to demo the various apps that have been developed for product demonstrations.

As far as the screen resolution goes, I was a bit surprised, but not bothered. With the screen real estate, I tend to hold it farther away than I would an iPhone. Therefore I don’t see the pixels as much as I would on a phone.

Lancashire-Witch

Ever since I started messing about with computers in the early 1960s, it’s been the same story. I lost count of the number of times I muttered - “The features and functions you really want are planned for the next version or release; even though what I’ve just given you is a huge improvement on what you had before….”

Managing expectations was key to keeping users happy; but Apple doesn’t manage our expectations, that’s not their style; so we’re free to “blue sky” and set ourselves up for a disappointment. Me too, John.

Incidentally, I noticed in the demo of iMovie that MobileMe Gallery was not one of the sharing options.  Strange, or did I miss something?

gmcarter2009

This reminds me of a bad flashback of previous products over the last 2 or 3 decades.  Someone comes out with a great product and then everyone thinks that no one will be able to compete with them.  What makes everyone think that Apple will always be on top with the IPAD? This vicious cycle continues to occur as technology advances.  Its greats that Apple has been on the forefront of tablet advancement, but now it is time for people to realize that there are finally some real competitors in the market.  Say what you want, but there is room in the market for both Apple and Android.

Jamie

It actually reminds me of the good old days of PowerPC vs. Wintel, when spec comparisons were literally the only thing most people paid any attention to. I missed the part where John said, ‘iPad 2 sucks and nobody will buy one.’; I think he has a point, Apple has had an astonishing opportunity to jump ahead again that it seems they have squandered. I could be for any number of reasons (price issues, engineering issues, design issues, issues issues), who knows? It doesn’t mean this isn’t a cool product that people won’t buy and enjoy, just that the promise of so much more was very real. I would agree that the overall experience beats the pants off of Android for the non-technically inclined, but the days of real power and the 100% untethered life are still off in the distance somewhere. I have no doubt they’re coming though.

Harry Banaharis

Alas, you don’t have a row for user experience..

At the risk of sounding like a fanboy: the notion of measuring the success of computer products ceased to be a function of CPU speed and pixel number the moment Apple entered the arena. This is because when a single company develops hardware, the OS and applications they have exquisite control over the entire user experience - and this is something that hardware-only (i.e Motorola) and software-only companies (i.e. Google/Android) simply cannot and will not be able to compete with.

Apple know this and they use it to full advantage with the ultimate beneficiaries being their customers.

You only have to look at the functionality and design that has gone into the new iPad 2 cover and realise that this is something only Apple could have designed.. sheer genius.

Dogbrain

Moto is going to sell a whole lot of xooms. Apple is going to sell ten times more iPads. Moto will make some real money. Apple will make billions.

Anyone disagree with any of that?

mhikl

Oh. My. God.

Steve didn’t think about three speakers. He didn’t even think about two, the dummy. And somebody came up with four! (I scared the dog, laughing from both ends.) The Envyboys are presenting the Gong Show, again.

Result: Spec argument? Guess who wins! Gestalt says it all.

We need a secret password for when spec fans rear their heads in sands of past-these-time. I should suggest “Gestalt”.

And for good fun, “Gestalt, excuse me”. They’ll think we sneezed.

And Wab95’s point of “overwhelm them with shock and awe” I’m a little confused. iPad 1 did just that, already. (Call this Round One) There’s only one viable? and now out-dated wannabe ready for the prom, with a plethora of ugly ladies still in waiting, waiting for what? Their eyelashes to dry? (Or are they hiding?)

?a long Homer mmmmmm? When . . .

Wham. Bam. Thank you Mam. iPad 2. (Call this Round Two.) And the frumps haven’t even a hand on the door or their makeup on. And the cherry to this sad dance? Old Crow is at the prom with his predictable crystal ball, dancing on his own, making everything clear.

The invisible sisters haven’t shown their heads and unless they have some pretty sparkly baubles stapled to their skirts, I’d say “Vapour Ware Are You”? I hope the inclined, hammered sturdy legs to their drawing boards.

Now this has been a fun day, “Thank you Steve”. And the beer is gone and so am I, to bed.

Oops, forgot my prayers and the ending we’re all looking forwards to. iPad 3 (Call this Round Three) And in most games that means knock-out.

DallasClubGuy

You are truly one hard guy to please. But for your dreams, iPad2 simply blows everything else out of the water. Speed, Size, Battery life, Weight, Apps, OS, Build quality… Put it all together and no one is even on the horizon to compete.

gmcarter2009

I think it is funny when people state that software-only companies (i.e. Google/Android) simply cannot and will not be able to compete.  The writing is on the wall!

In the fourth quarter, the Android operating system accounted for 28.7 percent of U.S. smartphone market share, edging out Apple’s OS, which captured 25 percent of the market. That represents a reversal from the third quarter when ComScore tracked Android with a 21.4 percent share and Apple with 24.3 percent.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20030974-251.html#ixzz1FWotsCio

Sales of Google Android phones in the U.S. are rising so quickly, the devices have outsold Apple handsets for the first time on record. New smartphone subscribers choosing Google phones accounted for 27 percent of U.S. smartphone sales, the Nielsen Company will announce this morning, nudging past the 23 percent share held by Apple. But Android isn?t just a U.S. phenomenon: Canalys today estimates that Android handset sales grew 886 percent worldwide from the year ago quarter.

http://gigaom.com/2010/08/02/android-sales-overtake-iphone-in-the-u-s/

Google’s Android platform isn’t just a game-changer for Japan. In the U.S., where the number of smartphone subscribers grew by 60 percent in the last quarter of 2010, the BlackBerry from RIM was the smartphone leader, but Google Android ranked second and was gaining market share fast with its market share rising from 21.4 percent in September 2010 to 28.7 percent in December 2010.

http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/the-tech-observer/2011/03/02/japanese-mobile-phone-makers-look-to-android-to-boost-sales

So would you like to retract the statement that Google/Android simply cannot compete. People are beginning to choice android devices over apple devices two fold.  Now that competitive android tablet devices exist in the market, I think Apple needs to rethink their R&D before they fall to the wayside.  Even Blackberry is outselling Apple devices. Before you make a real comment make sure do you research first so you don?t look like a fool.

RonMacGuy

I somewhat agree with gmcarter2009.  It is silly to say that google/android will not be able to compete.  Competition is good, people.  I hope google/android can provide some real competition to Apple, if not for the express purpose of avoiding any monopolistic pain that Apple would now be feeling now were it not for google/android.  Frankly, though, android was helped along in the smartphone market by the Apple/AT&T exclusivity agreement.  With Apple on Verizon now, things will change (slowly, as many who did not wait for iPhone on Verizon are now locked into 2-year agreements with android phones that they are not happy with - not everyone, but a lot of people).

There will always be a market for google/android smartphones and tablets, as well as windows if they ever get their act together, or maybe even some newcomers that come along to compete.  But the user experience of iOS will continue to provide Apple with significant market share as well as the lion’s share of the profit in both smartphone and tablet markets.  Anyone who denies that is just clueless in my opinion.

RonMacGuy

People are beginning to choice android devices over apple devices two fold.

That being said, gmcarter2009, it is funny that you suggest others research before making real comments to avoid looking like a fool, your comment about people beginning to ‘choose’ android devices over apple devices two fold is just plain wrong.  If you include iPad (which still have 90% market share, like it or not), your “real comment” proves you are the fool.  You are so proud that android FINALLY overtook iPhone when iPhone was on a single network during that time - well whoopty doo!!  People had no other choice!!  And, given the issues with google/android recently, they may very well implode.  Reference my comments from the “Comparison Chart” thread:

Just wanted to post a great set of comments by Rob Enderle from this link: Google.  Wow, what a great summary.

?It often seems like companies that compete with Apple self-destruct. Rumblings at the Game Developers Conference this week had me wondering if Google was actively trying to kill Android. Developers were upset that Google was so hard to work with, changed direction often, and that they weren?t making any money off their games. It appears that the average on Apple?s store is around $5K, and on Android it?s closer to $500 for small independents. At RSA last week, there was a huge amount of discussion on how malware is being introduced into the Google store, and this week on how a large number of infected applications were found and removed. Google also managed to lose a ton of Gmail messages this week, which is one of the most competitive applications on Android. Google is quickly becoming untrusted, and seems to be meandering down a list of Microsoft mistakes, having confused it for some kind of to-do list. Google remains the most likely firm to take the fight to Apple this year, but if it can?t stop tripping over its own feet, the battle will never be joined.?

paikinho

Moto is going to sell a whole lot of xooms. Apple is going to sell ten times more iPads. Moto will make some real money. Apple will make billions.

Anyone disagree with any of that?
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I don’t disagree .... there may be millions of Android pads if they get them off the ground. This may be tougher to do than with Android phones. An uphill battle, but certainly millions of Android tablets will be sold.

The cost of the units is just so high that it makes them more of a luxury item which is the sweet spot of Apple.

One can get a couple android phones in 2 for one specials for like 40 bucks sometimes. no wonder they sell like hotcakes. But for 600 or 800 or even 400. That is more difficult to sell like hotcakes.

Apple seems to be taking all the market of those who will spend that kind of money on a Tablet. Maybe there is a larger market waiting out there, but I tend to think that Androids will be needing to be sold for 200-300 for them to gain a big market share. Can there be a profit at that level?

gmcarter2009

I was simply trying to point out that Apple is no longer the only option that people have today when it comes to a tablet OS.  Just like Microsoft took hold many, many moons ago and no one has removed them from power yet, but after Apple got their act together with the Mac?s and Linux improved their platform there was some competition and Microsoft lost market share.  Not different than Intel holding the market for processors, but AMD makes a good product also.  Apple of course will not have a problem holding to the tablet market, but it is good to have companies such as Motorola finally stepping up and bringing out products that can take some of the market share and give Apple something to benchmark against.  I would gather to say that sometimes it gets lonely on top when you have no real competitors and the android tablets before the Motorola Xoom were junk.  As a consumer and tech junkie I want to see real competition in the market and not just one product to choice from especially when some of the products are junk.  It is always good to see other companies step up to the challenge and develop quality products.  You would have to agree that if there were only one car, tv, computer, cell phone manufacturer life would get fairly boring.  Without these factors companies tend to get complacent and forget about the consumer or making any real advancement in the technology.  Apple is a product that any consumer can get their hands on and use comfortable.  Android tablets on the other hand tend to be for those junkies that want to push technology to the furthest limits.  Apple will lose market share, but not enough to really matter except to make the next advancement in tablets even more exciting.

Your comment concerning Rob Enderle is not really a good example of the issues that have not already been faced by open source companies or PCs.  You are always going to have hackers and people trying to steal information.  The comment that companies that compete with Apple self-destruct is unrealistic when it comes to Apple vs Google.  They both are multi-billion companies that are definitely not going anyway anytime soon, have stock piles cash to burn and Google has many other things on their plate that makes them billions.  I don?t disagree that any other company though would have a hard time even competing against Apple.  They would probably be better off using their money to stay warm during the winter months.

CCardona

Bosco! You’re Judy Tenuta’s brother aren’t you! (“But with a HUMAN head”!)

It’s not really about Apple, is it? Jealousy, anger, hate, and low self-esteem? Your therapy is covered, dude!

zarko

I think that it’s interesting that one of john’s “spec” dissapointments is that Apple dosn’t seem to be interested in conventional file sharing and hasn’t taken steps to “release the iPad’s dependance from a host PC or mac.”  My question is does the Xoom really offer greater functionality in this regard? I present sense impression is that no one currently asks the question of do I replace my computer with an iPad; and I doubt that anyone will see the Xoom as a stand alone “this can be my sole computing device in my house” My suspicion is that eventually you will get the device you’re looking for when they bring touch to the MacBook Pro/Air line, but that they will keep the iPad as a seperate “magical” device.

Ion_Quest

Two points.  If the ZOOM is supply constrained, leave the price high until the build volume picks up.  Apple slashed the price of the original iPhone within 2 months.

As for the vaunted applications ecosystem, Motorola, Google, HP, RIM and others could always undercut the 30% overhead to attract developer loyalty—if they provide their own APP Stores (TM?).  Minimum app/game prices would also help.

mhikl

gmcarter2009

A little lesson here. You are lucky Ron got to you first. He?s a nice guy and knows that reason without agenda works far better than attacking with a wobbly hammer (the old fly and honey skit). You came in the latter way with hammer and venom raging. Probably had read little on the MO to know what goes on here. Every silly url you posted, or so many like them, have been read by the majority here so your ideas are not new, have been analysed and debated and the truth in the twilight areas has been washed, dried, aired and put away. Lucky Ron got to you first.

Apple guys, fans, Kulpable Kings of Knowledge (KKK), or what ever you want to call us, debate both sides. Just look at John M?s article. He puts us to the test all the time. Sometimes he catches us with our shorts down and sometimes we take him to task, rightly or wrongly; but out of all of this disorder, we become the wiser.

You can, like the majority here, join us and learn?which doesn?t mean ?Come over to the Apple side??and comment, point out errors, add to the info bank or make a joke or two. Or, you can become an Old Crow and not give an inch, put the knife in with a twist, screw with facts and tech-pseudos. Your choice but little is learned from the side I call Apple-Envy when the song starts skipping as it wears.

But from your second post, after a pompous first, it looks like you might actually fit in quite nicely. The MO is what it is because of sharp people making good point from all conceivable corners, and then some. Good thing that little Scottish Guy got to you first. Hell, Sir Henry coulda taken you down in six words or less. You wouldn?t have known what hit you.

Damn. I was looking forwards to having some fun. smile

mhikl

zarko, my suspicions are that we are at a monumental point in history. I would say we might be on a precipice like the climatic shift from text-based interfacing to GUI. The iPad may be shifting us away from computer compliancy to independence. Untethering the tablet from the computer might be Apple’s goal. They might still talk and share the kids on weekends, but their eventual trip will be to the divorce courts.

paikinho

as Ravedog said earlier “About stereo:

Think about it, the reason the iPad is mono is that it has billed itself as the ?no one way is up? design? if you have stereo speakers then left and right are not left and right in more than one position. If you want stero - plug in headphones that will always be the correct stereo no matter how you turn the unit.”

I agree that stereo is useless coming directly out of a small unit unless you have space to place some detachable speakers out a bit. One doesn’t get a true stereo experience by having 2 speakers so close together. If you want to get some nice stereo…..use headphones.  I find it amusing when people want real stereo out os something where the speakers are 7” or less apart. What?????

It is terribly difficult to make the most of speaker position to get the best sound anyhow with a regular sound setup. Speaker placement takes a lot of time and effort.

It is better to have a single high quality speaker to deliver better richer quality when the sound is just coming straight at you. I have a nice single speaker squeezebox radio in the kitchen and the speaker fills the room with a nice rich sound. We are always moving around so stereo would be silly.

For nice stereo I can sit in my chair to an ideally placed stereo setup with my Lexicon and Dynaudio speakers. Sounds fantastic!

paikinho

Hey ravedog? Think about this. I?m not sure which Android tablet has 3 speakers (one of them does), but it?s so you can have stereo in both landscape and portrait orientation. I know, it?s not innovative because Apple didn?t think of it first. Yada yada.
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BH… it isn’t innovative because it is completely a gimmick. “Oh look dear 3 speakers!!!!”

mhikl

More than one speaker is a) ineffectual, b) inefficient, c) insufficient, d) expensive d) quality-lacking. It is the shot-gun, look-what-we’ve-got approach. It is so un-Apple I can’t believe so much talk is going on about it (and I’ve posted at least three times on this silly idea here and elsewhere). I have the iPt and a Macbook at the moment. Both suck without headphones or externals. It is what it is.

Plaster twenty multi-frequency speakers to any smallish device and you still have squat for sound. Get a good set of Boss, heads and speakers and leave the junk to the Android rabble. In Steve We Trust. Were it a good idea, do you really think he would have let that one go? He is too pristine in thought, the little perfectionist.

Point. Was watching The Social Network late at night and not to disturb the wife, used headphones. Unbelievable. It’s a fast talk, smart talk, fully encompassing sound movie and I enjoyed it more in bed with covered head than at the theatre. This will be how I’d watch any movie when alone.

No way you can get any kind of good experience out of a tinny single digit speaker or re-enfoced in numbers. This is the dumbest discussion point ever. ISWT to keep us free from fluff.

Bosco (Brad Hutchings)

BH? it isn?t innovative because it is completely a gimmick. ?Oh look dear 3 speakers!!!!?

Your gimmick is another person’s most important feature. That’s the ultimate weakness with the Apple whole widget model. You can’t please everyone. That’s not a negative statement about how hard people try and aren’t appreciated. It’s just a fact. When more companies are able to contribute a little bit of their own vision to things, you get an ecosystem where more people can find something close to perfect for them.

trrll

The marginally higher resolution of the Xoom apparently comes at a substantially higher price. I don’t expect Apple to upgrade resolution until it is possible to double it (quadruple the pixels) at the same price.

Bosco (Brad Hutchings)

The marginally higher resolution of the Xoom apparently comes at a substantially higher price. I don?t expect Apple to upgrade resolution until it is possible to double it (quadruple the pixels) at the same price.

Right. $40 is “substantially higher”.

paikinho

Your gimmick is another person?s most important feature.
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Not a functional feature since there isn’t anything tangible added. You could have 18 speakers embedded in the device, but 18 tiny crappy speakers sonically don’t make something better. But they are a point of failure and a power drain to boot.

It is fine for companies to add more speakers…. fine go ahead, but lets not pretend that 2 or 3 or even more actually is better than 1 when the sound is emanating from a sonic perspective from 1 source.

Gimmick feature is just a gimmick feature whether someone views it as important or not. Some people are just easily duped or ignorant too. I bet if the reality was explained to folks, 3 speakers wouldn’t be anybody’s most important feature. They could focus on things that really matter…. why because they are better educated.

RonMacGuy

You can?t please everyone.

I agree with you.  But, I think it is safe to say that Apple does a better job at satisfying most of what the average person wants with a single product (iPhone, iPad, etc.) and consistent software than your “ecosystem” of multiple vendors/software versions.  Sure, a lot of people will want to find that “just right” product that gives them what they really want, but for the most part Apple satisfies the average consumer’s needs without all that customizing.

Bosco (Brad Hutchings)

Ron, if Apple really satisfied the average customer’s needs in smart phones, Android devices would not be outselling iPhones by more than 3:2, and installed base would not have surpassed iPhone, starting at effectively zero just 14 months ago.

Perhaps it’s different for tablets. Time will tell. But reality in phones is way closer to what I’ve been saying than what you have grin. And you can count the flaccid Verizon Unicorn now, because it doesn’t matter.

RonMacGuy

But reality in phones is way closer to what I?ve been saying than what you have

Not quite.  No one on Verizon had a smartphone option except for android until just a very short time ago.  Now people are locked into 2 years with android even though iPhone is now available to them on Verizon.  But hey, give it time.  As far as closer to what you’ve been saying, you have said by year-end 2011 iPhone will be relegated to 10% of the smartphone sales.  We will see how “close” you are in Q4.

Would you like to see your quote from Nov 2010?

Oh, and by the way, what have I been saying?  I don’t think I’ve ever said that Apple could maintain market share against android when they were tied to AT&T.  I’ve been pretty fair in saying that competition is good and that I have no issue with android other than the fragmentation garbage and the fact that people aren’t willing to pay for apps and that malware will be a major issue.  You take your hard stances with insults and how Apple will fail in a year.  I’m just glad the exclusivity issue is gone and the next two years will be telling - will people coming off 2-year android contracts buy the next android phone or will they switch to iPhone.  But it will take time for people to survive their android contracts. grin

Bosco (Brad Hutchings)

Ron, your celebrating 15% at the end of the year because I was wrong about 10% will the highlight of my year.

trrll

Most people I know with an Android phone are pretty happy with it, but almost all of them say that they would rather have an iPhone, but it was unavailable from their provider. I think we’ve only seen a hint of the impact of the arrival of the iPhone at Verizon. A lot of people are likely waiting for their contracts to expire, or waiting for summer, when Apple likely will announce a new model. After all, why lock yourself into a new contract when the new model is just a few months away?

RonMacGuy

Ron, your celebrating 15% at the end of the year because I was wrong about 10% will the highlight of my year.

You are just so adorable.  And the highlight of my year will be watching Verizon iPhone sales growing each quarter as more and more people switch from their fragmented, malware-infested android nightmares.  And I picture Bosco sitting there scratching his head and wondering why people choose a walled garden.  And since I don’t know what Bosco looks like, I picture the Grinch sitting there.  “And Bosco, with his Bosco-feet ice cold in the snow, stood puzzling and puzzling, how could it be so?  And he puzzled and puzzled ‘til his puzzler was sore. Then Bosco thought of something he hadn’t before. What if iPhone, he thought, actually did win the war. What if iPhone, perhaps, means a little bit more.”

So what do you look like Bosco?  Any pictures floating out there on the web?  I picture you for some reason as an old German guy.  Not sure why…

grin

RonMacGuy

Perhaps it?s different for tablets. Time will tell.

Is this Bosco backing down from his prediction of an android tablet lead of 3:2 against iPad by Dec 2011?!?!?  OMG!!  What is the world coming to?

Yes, I have that quote too, all stored up on my iMac!!

RonMacGuy

gmcarter2009

A little lesson here. You are lucky Ron got to you first.

mhikl, you had me LMAO in the office!!  I think I choked on my Coke laughing so hard.  Almost shot it out of my nose.  You are freaking hilarious.

gmcarter2009, you do make some very good points, and I think our thoughts are pretty much in line.  I think Rob Enderle was a bit over-the-top with his comments.  But hey, that’s journalism.  But there is a hint of truth to a lot of it.  What makes Apple strong with iOS also makes Apple weak, and what makes Google strong with android also makes it weak.  There is no perfect solution.  The beauty of this is that they are taking two different approaches to solving in their minds the mystery of how to make the perfect smartphone.  Too often we focus on the strengths of our favorites and the weaknesses of “the enemy” when it really is all about personal preferences and what you really want out of the experience.  Google will not fail.  Apple will not fail.  They will both succeed in their own ways.  So much of the war is really meaningless.  But it is fun to fight!!  And fight we will!!

Oh, and by the way, an update on Apple succeeding in their own way (i.e. their own goals):  Mar 3 Market Cap of $331.2B vs. ExxonMobil Market Cap of $425.5B.  Go Apple!!

Paula

So no change in Flash or .pdf support?

Bosco (Brad Hutchings)

Don’t worry about me backing down from my prediction on tablets. I was just being patronizing. Ultimately, it will be easier to buy an Android tablet than an iPad. Buyers will have more choices. And more people will have an interest in them buying Android tablets than iPads. Just like phones.

I’ve been around and in the Apple scene long enough to know that iOS has become a religion, and a pretty lousy one at that. Unlike people generally sticking up for BYU in the wake of their suspending a key hoops player for getting his jig on outside of marriage, nobody except the die-hard Apple fanatic is going to stick up for Apple’s silly protectionist policies that have enabled the Android platform to get more than a foothold.

BTW, over at Engadget last night, about 80% of over 1200 who commented thought Steve Jobs went into complete douchebag mode for purposely misquoting the Sammie exec.

RonMacGuy

Ah Bosco, stoic and rigid ‘til the end.  Did you actually watch the iPad 2 event?  I doubt it.  Show me android honeycomb software that actually comes close to what iMovie can do on the iPad 2.  Show me android honeycomb software that actually comes close to what Garage Band can do on the iPad 2.  Heck, show me android software that is as good as Photo Booth.  Heck, show me honeycomb software period!!  Or, just whine about the stupid slow/smooth misquote.  Whatever.  Companies, hospitals, schools, musicians, doctor’s offices, artists, realtors, travelers, retailers, and average people in all age ranges will continue to buy the iPad because of what it can do and won’t care about the silly protectionist policies.  In fact, in many cases, they will embrace the protectionism, after hearing about fragmentation and malware issues.

OldGuy

What about the screen technology. My understanding is that the type of screen that is used in the iPad, & iPad2 gives the great viewing angles.

Does the Zoom use the same technology? Does it give the same viewing angle?

I really can’t see that Apple left much out. SD cards—not needed, wireless and storage in the cloud, or on your network, takes care of that.

trrll

The closeups of the iPad2 and Xoom screens in the comments to Ars Technica’s review go a long way toward explaining why people seem to be finding the Xoom display unimpressive despite its nominally higher resolution.

John Martellaro

For a continuing perspective, see:
iPad 2 Design Compromises

xennex

As someone who?d like to deploy a web app on iPads, I care about specs. The cache limitations on the original iPad have a real impact.? 512MB is probably enough to make it mostly a non-issue but it definitely does matter.

Actually, if you noticed, there is a ‘?’ after the 512k for the iPad2.. I think it’s there since there is no definite announcement of what the iPad2 RAM actually is.. It could still be 256MB, really 512MB, or even 1G.. I wonder why they don’t just state the size.. I have a feeling it may still be 256k to keep programmers from ‘fragmenting’ the iPad2 from the original by writing apps that use more than 256k..

xennex

Whoops forgot to correct all the ‘k’s to ‘MB’s.. raspberry

Regarding lack of physical storage options, I would have liked some sort of external storage option that didn’t depend on the availability of a network.. An SD card or USB thumbdrive is a heck of a lot easier to carry around than a laptop PC/Mac w/ Bluetooth.WiFi..

paikinho

xennex,

Why not use a wireless flash drive? I have seen wireless SD cards too. There are lots of options available now and there have been for a while now.

Not sure why the physical connector is needed since it is a point of failure. I just think that using old legacy stuff when over the next couple of years technology will be moving away from it would be silly.

Clean and simple is really nice.

Xennex

Why not use a wireless flash drive? I have seen wireless SD cards too. There are lots of options available now and there have been for a while now.

Not sure why the physical connector is needed since it is a point of failure. I just think that using old legacy stuff when over the next couple of years technology will be moving away from it would be silly.

The wireless flash drive is a good idea.. The wireless SD card on the other hand is kinda the opposite of what I was looking for.. (basically external storage + iPad/iPod)

The physical connector is useful when the wireless option is not available. e.g. Someone hands you a USB thumbdrive/SD card with some data they want you to look at, you only have your tablet.. There are a lot more devices that have the USB/SD connectors at this time so it would not have been unusual to have them in a media consumption devices like the iPad. If the wireless flash drive had both connectors that would be an option though it is another device you have to carry.

iphonzie

I would have liked some sort of external storage option that didn?t depend on the availability of a network.. An SD card or USB thumbdrive

Get Apple’s Camera Connection Kit. It gives you an SD card reader and a USB port, through dock connector dongles. If your SD card or flash drive is formatted like a camera card, the iPad will see its content and can view or import it.

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