Just to clarify, is this the same .NET that doesn’t work at all on Mac OS X or Linux devices, or some new, standards compliant, cross platform version?

At least Flash is supported on more than just Windows.

That MS guy is right. Apple just doesn’t get that when customers go shopping for a device, their first concern is whether the apps are developed using .NET or objective C.

Microsoft = “Developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers.”

Apple = “End users, end users, end users, end users, end users, end users.”

How disappointing.
Eagerly I did log in, head brimming with indignant words, but everyone already said more or less everything there was to say.

They’re just jealous because the Windows 7 HP tablet went down like a lead balloon and now everyone is talking about the iPad.
Besides, MS are famous for dismissive remarks which end up being quoted back to them for years afterwards…
“There are people who don’t like capitalism, and people who don’t like PCs. But there’s no one who likes the PC who doesn’t like Microsoft”

They did get one right though…
“The next generation of interesting software will be made on a Macintosh, not an IBM PC.”

I’ve been thinking of an iPodTouch but it just seems tiny. This looks like something I can grab ahold of, that these old eyes can read, and that would do what I want.

Exactly Geoduck. The choice isn’t iPad or Netbook. Neither is the choice locked-down or open.  The iPad is a gadget and every gadget since PDAs appeared has had its limitations.  I think you’re right. The choice is between a ‘touch’ and the iPad - assuming they both do what you want.

Choosing a computer is quite a different matter. The choice is enormous - from Acer NetBook/Windows 7 to 27-inch iMac/OS X. But it excludes iPods, Zunes, Blackberries, AppleTVs,  etc. (Please don’t pull me up over the examples - that’s not the point)

Risks and incompatibilities are inherent in everything. I despair holding a Nokia phone. 15+ years and they still don’t have a standard way of navigating thru the functions. They drive me crazy. Not surprising the iPhone is a success. Locked-down is fine - because it’s easy to use and does what I want; and I don’t mind if a small plastic “Leggo brick” appears from time to time.

The only time I paused watching Steve Jobs was when he said “Netbooks aren’t better at anything”  Well - I think they are better at being a computer than any gadget. But Steve is not here to sell you a computer. He’s selling you a gadget. He clearly outlined the things it’s designed to do.—and it does a lot!

Apple’s recent history shows that people like its products - both computers and gadgets; locked-down or not.  It’s now a while since the word “computer” was dropped from the name. The company direction is clear - Mobile Gadget. Much to Bosco’s dismay - and mine too to a certain extent.

Is this post a joke? LOL

Apple should stay the way they’re now. We don’t get too many goofs creating viruses for iPhone or Apple computers. Microsoft is so open that there’s far too many viruses….

Have you guys seen this MadTV video for iPad? It was made in 2005. LOL
http://www.flicksworld.com/madtv/apples-new-ipad-for-women-video_13cb3184d.html

Someone is going to create a video camera for the iPad that you can attach to its port, just as you can attach SDHC cards to the the iPad.  With software, this will work for doing video and video conferencing.

I used to develop .NET CF applications but the iPhone is much easier and more powerful. Objective C was easy to learn and I prefer it over C# because the code is cleaner and you don’t need to check for nulls all the time. XCode runs at the speed I think at, where as I found myself always waiting for Visual Studio because it hangs all the time. Also the iPhone frameworks are much more than just objective C, there are classes for managing a navigation stack and its easy to make tables, .NET has nothing like this. Overall I’d say I can make an app for the iphone in a day that would take a month on .NET CF, and then the result I wouldn’t even be able to sell because the MS store is useless.

So I 100% disagree with Brandon Watson, and I expect he hasn’t even used either of the two.

Every 10 years since apple was born,the company begins to die and struggle, almost to the point of going out of business. And its just about that time again!!!!YAY!

                            -ZuneHD Owner

wait, how much is MS visual studio, their development platform :p ?

Visual Studio 2008 Standrd edition starts at $245.49 on amazon.com.

The iPhone SDK is $0 to get started targeting the free simulator, and $99 to run on device and publish on App Store.

There are many meanings to the word open, the iPhone and iPad are sure “open” for business.

It is $99 per year world wide on the App Store and free to submit apps.

Microsoft is also $99 per year but only offer 5 free app submissions and then charge $99 per try. (So if have a game and fail the tests 5 times you will pay $500). Developers cannot sell an app in all Countries available; they have to sell it in only one. If you want more then you have to pay $10 per Country! Also they only accept apps for other countries submitted in the localized language.

Microsoft has not paid developers the money they are owed:
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/8911.html

Visual Studio 2008 Standrd edition starts at $245.49 on amazon.com.

Or you know…. you could get the express versions for Free.

Apple owns the OS, the A4 chip and makes its own batteries too

I don’t think they’re in the battery business. Given the past year or two that would be stupid. And Apple’s not stupid.

If Mr Watson wants to complain about developers being locked in then he needs first to talk with those in Microsoft who control the patents that Microsoft holds over .NET technologies.

Some Linux distributions no longer include the open-source Mono implementation of .NET—because MS threatens patent enforcement.

Solve that problem, Mr Watson, and then you have standing. Until then, shut up.

Its been a few years since I checked, but last I knew the express version of Visual Studio lacked any of the “visual” aspects. It does not include MFC, the framework that makes writing applications easier. It lacks the visual formatting tools that allow you to lay out interface elements and have code stubs ready for you to fill out.

It does include the compilers and linkers so you can use other frameworks like qT or wxWidgets, but the environment works best for Microsoft’s own frameworks and it does not include those in the Express version.

According to Wikipedia it doesn’t include 64 bit support 64-bit support either.

It’s meant for hobbyists.

(OT: I love the post preview feature and edit? Be still my heart )

@rjackb:

Actually, you CAN develop with .NET for the iPhone and iPad. It’s called MonoTouch (see http://monotouch.net/).

But if you do then you run the risk that MS will sue you for patent infringement. MS has said that you can “do your own thing” with .NET/Mono. But it has NOT said that you can sell what you develop, and I think that’s what you were meaning when you said “develop”

Specifically, the MS license terms are NOT compatible with GPL. Some of the Linux distros no longer include Mono for exactly this reason.