Zuckerberg: Ping Needs to Give a Little for Facebook Deal

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Apple’s Ping music-related social network service doesn’t include a Facebook partnership yet, and that won’t likely happen until Apple lets Facebook have at least some info from Ping users. Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg shared that detail during an interview at the Web 2.0 Summit.

Apple had planned on letting Ping users sift through their Facebook friends to find new followers and highlighted the feature when it first showed off Ping earlier this year. When Ping officially rolled out, however, Facebook integration was conspicuously missing.

Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg

According to TechCrunch, Mr. Zuckerberg said the reason Ping and Facebook aren’t linked together is because his company invests millions of dollars in its system for accessing social data, and he expects to get a little something back from partners for its efforts.

“We want to have an understanding that you won’t just import our data — and that you try to contribute back,” he said. “We’re working through that.”

Presumably that means if Apple and Facebook can reach an agreement on what type of information Ping users will share with Facebook, the two companies will eventually reach a deal.

Apple isn’t relying just on Facebook for growing Ping. The Mac, iPod and iPad maker recently struck a deal with Twitter that lets users scan through their Twitter friends for potential new Ping contacts, and can also post Ping song and album likes to user’s Twitter streams.

Mr. Zuckerberg didn’t offer any hints to indicate how his negotiations with Apple are proceeding.

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prl53

“accessing social data” In other words, a huge phishing site ready to grab as much personal identity information as possible.

geoduck

Exactly. This is a battle between a company that actually makes things and a company that is just a huge data mining scheme.

Jamie

If Apple capitulates, I will be very, very disappointed. I realize the stakes of the game are perhaps a little different these days, but would somebody please stand up to even one of these creepy companies?

Ethan

If Apple wants to get access to the Facebook world then they have to play ball by Facebook’s rules. Interesting how Apple does not like to have to follow someone else’s rules when you look at how they lock down their iNiche ecosystem and force developers to do this and that. I guess Apple just expected to be able to use another company’s platform and not have to follow rules? That sounds pretty spot on for them. This is an example of where users lose out on choice because Apple wants everyone else’s tech in a deal where they lose and Apple wins. They could give a little, work a deal and make it very clear to Ping users what info goes to Facebook if they opt-in. Then the user can choose rather than have Apple act as their mommy. The key is making it clear to the user what info will be passed back and forth.

Anyway it’ll come down to users-if Apple users complain enough then Apple will cave and do what Facebook wants. On the other hand they can leave it as it is and Ping will be a bit player in the ecosystem.  I only turned it on when twitter was connected. Ping has to have the connections to the major social platforms.

Bregalad

I’m clearly way outside Ping’s target demographic. I’ve reached an age where I don’t care what my friends are listening to and have no need to tell them what I’m listening to. I’ve disabled Genius too.

Roughly 90% of my music library, although fairly mainstream rock/pop at one point in time, doesn’t even have album art available through iTunes. To make matters worse iTunes has the annoying habit of bringing up incorrect art (from completely different artists) for some of my albums. In order to get art I’ve had to visit wikipedia, Amazon, artist websites, or scan my own CD inserts.

It’s a horribly time consuming task and I found out the hard way that if you move your iTunes library to a shared location not only do you often lose your artwork, but no matter what you do no other users can see it. I consider it an enormous design flaw that iTunes doesn’t store the art with the music, but instead stores it separately for each user.

JonGl

My thought is simple. Where do Ping users get to say? I mean, if I were using Ping, I wouldn’t want Facebook sniffing around my Ping data. I hope Apple doesn’t give them anything. Let FB stew. I’m not data for FB to mine…

-Jon

geoduck

I have a FaceBook account to keep connected with a few friends and family. However I don’t have any information there. No schooling, no favourite movies, no quotes, practically everything other than my name is blank.

Mine that Zuckerberg

VaughnSC

I’m sure it amounts to Suckerborg [sic] wanting Apple to share its 155MM+ iTunes users; pretty much every last one of which has a credit card on file (technically known as ‘demostrably real persons with money’) which are intrinsically worth way more than untold FB hordes of pseudonyms with unverified demographic data.

Hardly quid pro quo, and not happening. I applaud Apple and Jobs for not kowtowing or giving lip service to this pipsqueak.

Nemo

So Mr. Zuckerberg, Zuck, which rhymes with sucks, wants Apple to conspire with Facebook to violate the privacy of Apple’s customers.  It is not enough that Section 3.3.9 of Apple’s iOS SDK Agreement lets Facebook make an app that directly request from any of Apple’s customers permission to use their personal information, provided that Facebook states in plain language precisely what information it is requesting, how it will be used, and either expunge and sequester that personal information, as applicable law permits, once a customers elects to end his relationship with Facebook.  No, because Facebook can’t face a person directly, explain what it wants, and state how it will use what it gets, it wants Apple to do the dirty work of betraying its customers’ trust by simply transferring their private information, without their consent and probably without their knowledge and probably in a manner that violates Apple’s privacy policy, to Facebook.

To this, Steve Jobs apparently said no.  Sucks, as a certain of his admirers call him, attempts to mislead by recasting this as Apple not being willing to reciprocally provide its users’ personal/private info.  Well, the thirteen page privacy policy, which is probably impenetrable to most lay readers, that Facebook imposes on its users lets Sucks and Facebook do pretty much what they damn well please with their users’ personal/private info.  So Sucks and Facebook can be reciprocal with our info, no matter how private or personal it may be.  Apple with its privacy policy, which requires user’s informed consent to obtain and/or use that user’s personal/private info, can’t be so reciprocal with its users’ info, but Sucks can’t understand that, because to a villain, all the world seems so.

Well, Sucks, if having to face a user directly and get his informed consent to use his personal/private information isn’t something that Facebook can stomach, Apple shouldn’t do that dirty work for you as consideration for doing a deal with Facebook.

garak64

If Apple wants to get access to the Facebook world then they have to play ball by Facebook?s rules. Interesting how Apple does not like to have to follow someone else?s rules when you look at how they lock down their iNiche ecosystem and force developers to do this and that.

Meet:

I?m sure it amounts to Suckerborg [sic] wanting Apple to share its 155MM+ iTunes users; pretty much every last one of which has a credit card on file (technically known as ?demostrably real persons with money?) which are intrinsically worth way more than untold FB hordes of pseudonyms with unverified demographic data.

His Steveness is smart?there is NO WAY he is giving that DouchBag SuckItBert iTunes user data. If Apple users in any way felt they were missing out from this Social Media Broadcasting fad, they would have responded with OS integration already.

It?s unnecessary for everyone to know where you?ve been, what you?re doing RIGHT NOW, and what banal non sequiturs are swimming through your brain.

furbies

Is it just me, or is Zuckerberg just like a Bill Gates 2.0

Neither of them are good for your health.
Surgeon General’s Warning.

VaughnSC

I’m seeing it this way - you are technically the author of and own your social relationship data, and essentially license it to FB (which they store and then flog for every penny it’s worth).

Now FB, in its arrogance (IMHO), is acting like they own your data and are, technically, trying to license a copy back to you for additional considerations (even more of your data).

Zuckyboy really tipped his hand for all to see. Stevie didn’t even blink.

VaughnSC

Here we go, Exhibit 1: Facebook claiming you don’t own your friend’s email addresses. Contrast this self-serving lack of reciprocity with his current whining.

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