I dont know if it is just where I work, but everyone here loves Netscape and will not touch Internet Explorer even though they complain that some web site look horrible.

I just want to see what everyone else prefers. Maybe I can use some of your comments to get these people here to change thier mind or maybe change my mind. 

I use iCab 2.5.1 as my primary browser. For those thimes when I need secure pages or special features, I use Netscape 4.77. Only occasionally do I use IE 5 (I only installed it two months ago). iCab and Netscape do everything I need. IE 5 does reload pages faster than the other two, but loading the first time, on my system iCab is still faster (Beige G3/300/128 MB/ OS 8.6)

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: shades on 2001-06-20 10:57 ]</font>

I’ve never heard of iCab….do you have an URL?

There is a great deal of bigotry out there when it comes to browsers.  I know I was one for a long time.  After all, it was a “War” and a lot of people were taking sides.

I just use whatever browser works the best for me.  I mean, I try not to use Internet Explorer too much just on principle, but sometimes it simply does something that my favorite browser can’t do, so then I use it.  Sometimes Netscape does something IE doesn’t do, so I use Netscape.  Overall I use OmniWeb, I like the fact that it is written in Cocoa and is created by a company that I feel has a genuine love for the Mac platform.  They are a smaller company and aren’t in the game for “market dominance”.  They just produce cool products.

Anyways, I guess everyone has their favorite browser.  If it helps you be less productive (who can be productive with the net around these days, anyways ) then use that browser.  There is no better reason to choose one over the other.  Kind of like your favorite computer OS.

On 2001-06-20 11:09, Extell wrote:
I’ve never heard of iCab….do you have an URL?

The iCab download page is at http://www.icab.de/download.html
It is available for Mac OS X, Mac OS on PowerPC, and even Mac OS on 68k.

Also you should note that Opera, which has been out for PPC Mac OS for some time now, was just released for Mac OS X.  http://www.opera.com/

These are nice browsers but my favorite is OmniWeb.  It’s a Cocoa (Mac OS X-only)application, so you’re out of luck if you use Mac OS 8 or 9.  However, it is a very nice program, and has even received an award from Apple.  http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omniweb/

Okay, I’m as fed up with Microsoft as the next guy, but dang it, I really like Internet Explorer.

The fact is, it’s the best-supported, most feature-laden, easiest to use browser. It’s struck exactly the right balance among speed, reliability, compatibility (with technologies like Flash, Shockwave, RealContent, QT, Java), and offering useful features.

Netscape, on the other hand, is slow, counter-intuitive, and tempermental.

OmniWeb is a rapidly improving browser, but for all its strengths (cleanly displayed text, thoughtful features and layout) I’m not willing to put up with a browser that won’t load 25% of pages because of bad rollover implementation, spotty Java support and pages that just won’t load.

Never used Opera, and iCab doesn’t support enough modern web technologies to be worth my time. I just want a browser that gets the job—all of my Web jobs—done, without fuss. The best such browser is Internet Explorer.

Harrumph.

THANK YOU RICKY!
Netscape SUX!

Amen, brother. Amen.

People don’t give Netscape the credit it deserves. The Mac version of Netscape 6 needs some work, but Netscape 4.7 is in my opinion an excellent program.

I write webpages on my PC (because of a lack of a good HTML editor on the Mac side; and dont tell me to use BBEdit, it sux). Writing web pages for Netscape is a pain in the rear. I have written one page that will actually crash Netscape when you go to it Every system I have used Netscape with to visit this page will crash Netscape. I am actually quite proud of myself If it does not crash it will give out of memory errors unless you devote about 120 Megs to it. And there are not that may graphics on the page.

http://www2.netdoor.com/~extell/ultima

Dangit…something else I forgot to include. Netscape does not support StyleSheets, That makes formatting a web page SO much easier. Also, text sizes are not the same in Netscape as Internet Explorer. This stuff drives me nuts!

Extell, not to be nosy, but I think the job of a good web developer is to make his web page compatible with all major browsers for all major platforms, if possible.  So whether you really like Netscape or not should not be a concern when you are designing web pages.  Obviously there are a lot of people out there who like Netscape, IE, OmniWeb, etc, and most companies want people coming to their site to be able to view the pages.

All web standards have been thrown out the window over the years because of a combination of sloppy HTML coding by individuals and proprietary functions created by companies like MS.  90% of the code that goes into a good web browser is there to make up for all the sloppy coders out there.

There is stuff out there that Netscape can handle but IE can’t.  I’ve seen it before (certain secure banking sites, mutual funds, etc.)  Every browser has its strengths and weaknesses.  Thats why its best to be a little open minded about the whole mess of browsers out there.

This web site is something I’m playing with in my spare time. I have designed a Web Site for the place where I work that I had to limit the ability of what I could do just to get it to work good in netscape. The web page looks good in both IE and Netscape but still looks different in both browsers. Even browsing various company sites things look different in Netscape than in IE.

On 2001-06-21 11:30, Extell wrote:
I write webpages on my PC (because of a lack of a good HTML editor on the Mac side; and dont tell me to use BBEdit, it sux). Writing web pages for Netscape is a pain in the rear. I have written one page that will actually crash Netscape when you go to it Every system I have used Netscape with to visit this page will crash Netscape. I am actually quite proud of myself If it does not crash it will give out of memory errors unless you devote about 120 Megs to it. And there are not that may graphics on the page.

http://www2.netdoor.com/~extell/ultima

The link above did not crash Netscape 6.1 Preview Release 1 running on a G4. The memory partition was 28672. Is this the deadly link?

This version of Netscape has yet to crash in almost a week of heavy duty use.

People don’t give Netscape the credit it deserves. The Mac version of Netscape 6 needs some work, but Netscape 4.7 is in my opinion an excellent program.

What are you on!?!? Netscape 4.7 is slick for the end user but awful for the developer. You’ve heard me rant. In terms of standards, Netscape 4.7 just sucks. v.6, however, is GREAT but has those obvious problems with compatability, user interface, and ease of use.

Warning: my opinion will probably change tomorrow when Explorer XP comes shipped with smart tags enabled.

Eh? Did someone say DHTML?

On 2001-06-25 00:42, carsonbaker wrote:
What are you on!?!? Netscape 4.7 is slick for the end user but awful for the developer. You’ve heard me rant. In terms of standards, Netscape 4.7 just sucks. v.6, however, is GREAT but has those obvious problems with compatability, user interface, and ease of use.

I haven’t really gotten in to things like DHTML or CSS and such, but in my experience, writing web pages for Netscape 4.7 isn’t any harder than IE, and they generally will display the same, even when using some complex tables, etc.