iPhone 3.0 vs. Palm

  • Posted: 02 June 2009 04:02 AM

    iPhone or Palm Pre?
    Sprint, Palm Pre?s exclusive carrier announced that Palm Pre would be launched on June 6. Then this summer that?s the question many would-be-smart phone purchasers just might ask themselves. Both have their pros and cons. The iPhone has a huge profile and market presence, but the Pre has the old-school Palm faithful who have been waiting a long time for their Next Big Thing. The iPhone has massive channels and even Sprint admits they won?t be advertising the Palm Pre much due to low initial supply. But those most likely to want the Palm Pre already know it?s coming, where to get, and may well be reading this while already standing in line.
    But what about the consumer on the edge? The consumer who has an older iPhone or Palm, or the one who?s about to move up from a feature phone for the first time. What about the dreaded ?undecided?? This article is for them. Now let?s get it on.

    Display

    IPhone: beautiful, large (3.5 inch diagonal), high-resolution (480x320 screen) multi-touch display.
    Palm Pre: Beautiful, large (3.1 inch diagonal), high-resolution (480x320 screen). The screen is not as large as the iPhone (0.4 inch smaller) but this is balanced against other hardware features such as the removable battery and sliding keyboard further below.
    Advantage: Tie

    Keyboard
    Palm Pre has a physical, hardware-based QWERTY keyboard while the iPhone has a virtual, software-based keyboard that can be QWERTY (or anything else).
    For those who need to feel those keys, the Palm Pre is the obvious choice. However, the Pre?s keyboard is reportedly somewhere between a Treo Pro and a Palm Centro: softer, more gummy keys with a narrow width overall. It might not be to everyone?s liking. That said, at least the Pre has one, and it?s a slider to boot, which means if you don?t need it, you can just tuck it away back under the screen where it came from.
    The iPhone, can draw any kind of keyboard it wants. So if you need to type occasionally (or often) in Greek, Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese, or most any language, you can easily switch between those exact keyboards. You can also automatically be presented with web-optimized, or video, audio ? any task at all ? specific keyboards.
    The iPhone is an excellent touch screen phone, no doubt. But for heavy texters and e-mail addicts, the lack of a physical keyboard can be annoying. Now Palm Pre combined a touch screen and keyboard, pleasing both touch screen and keyboard fans. So Palm Pre wins.
    Advantage: Palm Pre

    Network
    In the US ? which is the only country with initial availability ? Sprint has exclusive rights to the Palm Pre, much as AT&T has a lock on the iPhone. When you choose mobile phone, also make a choice between the carriers. There are two factors to consider:
    1. AT&T is a GSM network, which means you can theoretically pop out your SIM card and put it in another mobile phone. It is great in emergencies, and if you travel and don?t want to deal with roaming charges. Sprint is CDMA, so any phone switches involves a call to your carrier at the very least.
    2. Sprint doesn?t currently allow simultaneous voice and data. This means if you?re talking on the Palm Pre, you can?t use the web or email, and vice versa. If you?re using an iPhone on AT&T?s EDGE service, you?ll have the same problem, but if you?re on 3G, there are no worries at all. For the Palm Pre, you?d have to switch to Wi-Fi to do that.
    Again, for me, using voice and data at the same time has become a must. Looking up information while out and about on a call is a frequent occurrence. If you?re not accustomed to it, you may not miss it, but once you are, it?s hard to go back.
    Advantage: iPhone

    Applications
    Installing new applications on the iPhone is a complete joy.  It?s ultra simple and quick ? an absolutely superb experience than virtually nobody has matched today.  With 15,000+ apps now available there is something here for everybody and although there is a lot of rubbish there are also many superb applications.
    Palm has already confirmed that it will create a full App Catalog ? one that will presumably have the same functionality and ease-of-use as Apple?s App Store. Though maybe there will not (initially at least) be as many apps available for the iPhone as for the Palm Pre.
    Advantage: Tie

    Multimedia
    For Palm Pre, it offers a 3-megapixel camera. Unfortunately, I didn’t get a chance to snap any photos, but early reports say that the quality is pretty good. Disappointingly, the camera won’t have video recording capabilities at this time, but those could be added in the future. In terms of music and movie, it is reported that the music sounds very beautiful, also the movie looks perfect with the 320*480 pixels screen. However Palm Pre can only play MPEG-4, H.263, H.264 videos and MP3, AAC, AAC+, AMR, QCELP, WAV audio files. What if you have large music or video collections you want to carry around with you on your mobile? I have got third part software to do this admire job: use Nidesoft DVD to Palm Converter to convert DVD collections into Palm Pre and Nidesoft Video Converter to convert video or music collections into Palm Pre.
    As far as iPhone, there?s no doubt that iPhone is wonderful music mobile phone. Listening to music, viewing photos and watching movies/videos is just ?something else? on the iPhone. IPhone can play MPEG-4 videos with resolution of 640 *480, up to 160 Kbps. Also it supports audio formats including AAC (16 to 320 kbps), MP3 (16 to 320 kbps), and WAV. With its beautiful 3.5-inch wide screen display and Multi-Touch controls, iPhone is an amazing iPod. Watch movies and TV shows in wide screen, iPhone brings you a video experience unlike any other portable device.

    [ Edited: 08 June 2009 09:41 PM by DawnTreader ]      
  • Posted: 02 June 2009 04:03 AM #1


    Advantage: Tie

    Conclusion
    So there you have it. Two companies that both pride themselves on their high-skill products. One who?s Newton spawned an industry that the other is Pilot defined and dominated, went on to converge with the Treo only to fall behind and get eclipsed by the iPhone, and is now poised to come back with the Pre. Apple is going on to the third version of their smart phone line while Palm is introducing the first version of their third act.
    If it seems like the only real deciding factors are where you live and work, what you want to do, and how you prefer to do it, well ? yeah. That?s it.
    Bottom line, the competition between iPhone and Pre is good for Apple and Palm ? it keeps them on their toes and on top of their games ? and it?s better for us. We?re lucky to live in a time and place where we have such increasingly awesome mobile options to choose between.
    Come this summer, we?ll have a few more choices as well. Which one will be yours?

         
  • Posted: 02 June 2009 06:34 AM #2

    I tell you what - how about we see what Apple release BEFORE calling it a tie shall we.

    At the moment Palm have skated to where the puck is.

    We are around 6 days from seeing where the puck will be. That’s less than 144 hours.

    Come back after the WWDC announcements and debate the case then.

    Oh, and try and get some relevant posts on the board before then, shall we?

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  • Posted: 02 June 2009 08:31 AM #3

    AS MS demonstrated so ably against Apple, it doesn’t matter if your competitor has a better product. Most people will look at the Pre and then get an iPhone anyway, even if they like the Pre better.

    And it’s not a better product anyway. Certainly not a better platform.

         
  • Posted: 02 June 2009 08:35 AM #4

    The Pre vs. the iPHone:  Is this a rhetorical question?

         
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    Posted: 02 June 2009 09:31 AM #5

    Misgreen,

    Thank you for taking the time to write the prose.  I disagree with the “tie” judgement for Applications.  How can it be tied when Pre’s apps are not even available yet.  I’ve upgraded my first gen iPhone to a 3G iPhone.

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  • Posted: 02 June 2009 10:48 AM #6

    Why does everyone assume WWDC will unveil the new iPhone? I believe a special event, hosted by Steve Jobs will present the new hardware, with immediate availability, in early July (or late June). WWDC will be about SnowLeopard and the upgraded MacBook Pro line.

         
  • Posted: 02 June 2009 11:10 AM #7

    willrob - 02 June 2009 01:48 PM

    Why does everyone assume WWDC will unveil the new iPhone? I believe a special event, hosted by Steve Jobs will present the new hardware, with immediate availability, in early July (or late June). WWDC will be about SnowLeopard and the upgraded MacBook Pro line.

    That would be such a bad idea.

    The company HAS to launch this stuff WITHOUT Steve. Otherwise we will be at the mercy of his doctor’s notes forever and a day.

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  • Posted: 02 June 2009 11:40 AM #8

    willrob - 02 June 2009 01:48 PM

    Why does everyone assume WWDC will unveil the new iPhone? I believe a special event, hosted by Steve Jobs will present the new hardware, with immediate availability, in early July (or late June). WWDC will be about SnowLeopard and the upgraded MacBook Pro line.

    Why not a blockbuster?  SJ, iPhone, Snow Leopard, and MBP update.

         
  • Posted: 02 June 2009 12:09 PM #9

    Sorry, but this is a rather useless comparison thread for many reasons.

    1. makes little sense to compare something that’s already on the market (iPhone) to something that’s still vaporware (Pre).BUT…

    2. The iPhone Keyboard is way more versatile than the Pre’s physical keyboard, and the ability to type in landscape mode in all apps in iPhone 3.0 will negate the single biggest criticism of iPhone typing, at least from what I’ve read. This and the other features of the iPhone keyboard easily negates any advantage the Pre has in this area, in my opinion.

    3. How can you call a tie between the iPhone & the Pre in the application department?!? That just doesn’t make sense to me. Who knows if the Pre will ever reach the sheer volume of apps available in the App Store, let alone the number of quality, useful apps.

    4. You can easily count out the Pre-switcher camp the vast number of iPhone users who have 5 or more free or purchased apps. I personally have over 75 apps now (including the factory ones), so that pretty much guarantees that I will not be getting a Pre any time soon. Apple is the king of vendor lock-in.

    Sure, competition is good for everyone, but the fact that the only REAL competition Apple has had in recent years, at least in the cases of the iPod and now the iPhone, is Apple. I don’t see the Pre changing that any time soon.

         
  • Posted: 02 June 2009 12:26 PM #10

    misgreen - 02 June 2009 07:03 AM

    Conclusion
    So there you have it. Two companies that both pride themselves on their high-skill products. One who?s Newton spawned an industry that the other is Pilot defined and dominated, went on to converge with the Treo only to fall behind and get eclipsed by the iPhone, and is now poised to come back with the Pre. Apple is going on to the third version of their smart phone line while Palm is introducing the first version of their third act.
    If it seems like the only real deciding factors are where you live and work, what you want to do, and how you prefer to do it, well ? yeah. That?s it.
    Bottom line, the competition between iPhone and Pre is good for Apple and Palm ? it keeps them on their toes and on top of their games ? and it?s better for us. We?re lucky to live in a time and place where we have such increasingly awesome mobile options to choose between.
    Come this summer, we?ll have a few more choices as well. Which one will be yours?

    Ugh. Your article is at best poorly written, if not contrived.

    Display: iPhone is obviously better. It’s got a 27% bigger screen! It’s true that the Pre has a replaceable battery, but what’s that got to do with the display? Not to mention the supposed advantage of the Pre’s keyboard either.

    If you want to mention something about the replaceable battery, that’s called “Battery Life” or something. If you want to mention something about the Pre having a hardware QWERTY and a replaceable battery, maybe that’s called “Form Factor”. Both have pros and cons and will likely come out in a wash.

    Keyboard: This I think comes out in a wash.

    Network: This comes out in a wash. The usage case of talking and surfing at the same time is relative rare that it probably doesn’t really matter to most folks.

    Apps: You have to be kidding me.

    Multimedia: You have to be kidding me.

    If you are looking for Pre advantages, I can only think of one: the OMAP 3430 and the 256 MB of RAM. But that’s compared to the iPhone 3G. The next iteration of the iPhone will likely nullify that advantage.

         
  • Posted: 02 June 2009 12:34 PM #11

    You leave out Palm’s existing track-record as a maker of smartphones.

    This is a mistake:  once upon a time, the Treo ruled the roost, but compared to even an ordinary dumb phone, the Centro is clearly inferior AS A PHONE.  this is probably more due to the antiquity of the OS, but it demonstrates that they hadn’t mastered the art of making hopnes before they launcehed themselved into trying to slay the iPhone.

    I for one will not spend another dime on Palm’s latest product in hopes that it will work right.  I will instead leave Verizon & buy the next iPhone released.

    [ Edited: 02 June 2009 12:42 PM by Pashtun Wally ]

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    Posted: 02 June 2009 12:44 PM #12

    willrob - 02 June 2009 01:48 PM

    Why does everyone assume WWDC will unveil the new iPhone? I believe a special event, hosted by Steve Jobs will present the new hardware, with immediate availability, in early July (or late June). WWDC will be about SnowLeopard and the upgraded MacBook Pro line.

    If you want developers to build apps which use the new features then you need to help them understand how best to access them.  Even under NDA you probably wouldn’t want to provide training on a unannounced product.  SJ days as the only marketer are over.  Apple can launch new products without SJ,  He understands this.  From a marketing perspective what better way to take the shine off the PRE and back on to the Iphone then showing off a better product.  I wouldn’t expect them wasting time on a MacBook Pro.  Intel’s mobile I7 does not come out until this fall.

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  • Posted: 02 June 2009 12:45 PM #13

    rattyuk - 02 June 2009 02:10 PM
    willrob - 02 June 2009 01:48 PM

    Why does everyone assume WWDC will unveil the new iPhone? I believe a special event, hosted by Steve Jobs will present the new hardware, with immediate availability, in early July (or late June). WWDC will be about SnowLeopard and the upgraded MacBook Pro line.

    That would be such a bad idea.

    The company HAS to launch this stuff WITHOUT Steve. Otherwise we will be at the mercy of his doctor’s notes forever and a day.

    Perhaps;  nonetheless, I rather expect there to be a “one more thing” moment @ WWDC - that thing being Steve…with the new iPhone….

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    Posted: 02 June 2009 01:03 PM #14

    I believe the focus here, for EVERYONE is incorrect.

    This really will not be an iPhone VS Palm Pre thing.

    This is a KEYBOARD VS NO KEYBOARD thing.

    Face it, those enamored with little keyboards WANT little keyboards. Apple distains them, and isn’t offering them anything that they consider CRITICAL *FOR THEM*

    Leaving the SmartPhone universe split, keyboarders vs touchscreeners.

    So, the PRE is both, and frankly gives the keyboarder universe a best of both worlds, for THEM.

    The REAL target here, isn’t Apple, and iPhone, but RIMM and the CRACKBERRY crowd, LG, NOKIA, and SAMSUNG.

    Not one of them has implemented a screen experience, WITH a modern state of the art operating system, which PALM is pretty close to having right now. When an SDK is released, i expect a huge rush to mimic the entire profitable universe of Apple Apps, over to WEB OS that Pre developed.

    This unit is NOW a slam dunk success, with the MAIN NEGATIVE the comparative lack of available units relative to anticipated demand.

    And what I really think will happen, is Nokia, LG, HTC, SAMSUNG will lust after having a new OS, and will do a by out the shareholders move. With the buzz, this will take a premium of 50% or more over current pricing, and THAT is my real call for the next six months.

    This is a a KEYBOARD killer, not an iPhone killer.

    If you are a typer, you just WILL NOT go to the current arrangement of screen typing, but you DO WANT all the rest, screen, apps, movies, music, etc.

    And never forget, apple has roughly 10% of this market, that leaves the OTHER 90% up for grabs.

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  • Posted: 02 June 2009 01:58 PM #15

    First, thanks for including the AFB in your astroturf campaign. It’s great to be recognized.

    misgreen - 02 June 2009 07:02 AM


    Display
    The screen is not as large as the iPhone (0.4 inch smaller)
    Advantage: Tie

    Larger size, equal resolution.
    Advantage: iPhone

    Keyboard
    The iPhone is an excellent touch screen phone, no doubt.
    Advantage: Palm Pre

    Here’s what Bruce Tognazzini had to say about the iPhone’s keyboard:

    http://www.asktog.com/columns/074KindleVsiPhone.html

    “Reams of material has been written on the virtues of the iPod Touch/iPhone human/machine interaction, and I won’t belabor it here. The interface represents a fundamental breakthrough. Even typing, a bit of a challenge for me the first week or so, became fluid enough for me that I chose to write this entire article on my iPhone on a flight to London?it was easier than having to get my computer out of my carry-on.”

    Amazing, huh? Tog somehow preferred to type 3,347 words (16,253 characters) on a device that you feel is outclassed by the Pre’s gummy micro-key keyboard.

    Advantage: iPhone

    Applications
    Installing new applications on the iPhone is a complete joy.  It?s ultra simple and quick ? an absolutely superb experience than virtually nobody has matched today.  With 15,000+ apps now available…

    Advantage: Tie

    “+” is right: You’re off by at least a factor of 3—there are currently over 45,000 apps available for the touch platform.

    http://148apps.biz/

    Advantage: iPhone

    Multimedia
    For Palm Pre…Disappointingly, the camera won’t have video recording capabilities…iPhone brings you a video experience unlike any other portable device.

    Advantage: Tie

    Advantage: iPhone

    Bottom line, the competition between iPhone and Pre is good for Apple and Palm

    Apple doesn’t need to be reminded to keep improving its products. It’s what Apple does.