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  • Posted: 23 July 2009 08:40 PM #46

    It has been fun reading this thread as the masters of AFB rip Microsoft.  I am still of the opinion that this is a good move if they are to have any hope of stemming the Mac tide.

    Having said that, here is a joke going around in Apple retail:  “What’s the difference between the seminars at Microsoft stores and Apple stores?  At Apple you get a free one hour seminar on iPhoto; at Microsoft it is a free all-day seminar on printer drivers.”

         
  • Posted: 23 July 2009 09:24 PM #47

    Hey Capa! Seen Microsoft’s latest results?

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  • Posted: 23 July 2009 10:25 PM #48

    rattyuk - 24 July 2009 12:24 AM

    Hey Capa! Seen Microsoft’s latest results?

    Yes.  Schadenfreude.  I called the whole family into the family room as they came across on Bloomberg.  It really makes the Apple results of Tuesday really stand out.

    But let us not make the mistake of underestimating them.

         
  • Posted: 23 July 2009 10:42 PM #49

    The MSFT retail store is laughable, but I’m half-tempted to buy some stock.  I think MSFT can run a bit with the new OS on the shelves soon.  There is pent up demand in the Enterprise market that skipped Vista (we did).

         
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    Posted: 23 July 2009 10:45 PM #50

    Mercel - 24 July 2009 01:42 AM

    The MSFT retail store is laughable, but I’m half-tempted to buy some stock.  I think MSFT can run a bit with the new OS on the shelves soon.  There is pent up demand in the Enterprise market that skipped Vista (we did).

    I’m not totally sure. I’ve worked for some large companies lately and they just moved the last of their computers to XP from Windows 2000. I can’t see them being in a big rush to change operating systems again. I think they’ll keep buying XP to install on the new hardware.

         
  • Posted: 24 July 2009 11:20 PM #51

    CdnPhoto - 24 July 2009 01:45 AM
    Mercel - 24 July 2009 01:42 AM

    The MSFT retail store is laughable, but I’m half-tempted to buy some stock.  I think MSFT can run a bit with the new OS on the shelves soon.  There is pent up demand in the Enterprise market that skipped Vista (we did).

    I’m not totally sure. I’ve worked for some large companies lately and they just moved the last of their computers to XP from Windows 2000. I can’t see them being in a big rush to change operating systems again. I think they’ll keep buying XP to install on the new hardware.

    Migrating from Windows 2000 to XP in the last year is really late migration.  I don’t blame your IT staff for not wanting to “upgrade” again, but I think your experience is atypical in the Enterprise market.  Too, I believe the support for XP is nearing EOL.

         
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    Posted: 25 July 2009 04:53 AM #52

    Hasn’t MSFT extended the EOL for XP multiple times though?

    It seems to me MSFT would be foolish to terminate support for XP until they have proven to the Enterprise segment that W-7 can get the job done w/ minimal issues.  It’s supposedly an improvement over Vista, but surely there are companies out there that are going to wait and see.

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  • Posted: 25 July 2009 06:56 AM #53

    MS could keep the monopoly rolling by limiting XP to virtual XP within Windows 7. But surely they would lose that strategy in court as an illegal monopoly extension, since XP also works perfectly well virtualised within Linux or MacOS, and stand alone.

    The situation is serious for MS; they cannot move their products forward without cracking open the interlocking puzzle of Windows client, windows server, exchange server, outlook (must buy to use exchange), client access licenses, Office, browser extensions.

    Apple, Google and the open source movement have many products and services waiting to grab hold of customers just as soon as those cracks open up. The one that’s already well developed is the browser - not a revenue source, but still a key part of the interlocks. MS browser share is dwindling, and IE is more and more standards compliant with each release.

    I’m so disappointed MS didn’t buy Yahoo. Reduced cash would have finished the monopoly off a couple of years faster. It’s still over - but not until they run out of cash, and that’s not soon.

    Maybe enterprise does appear wedded to MS, but to me (and I think Apple) that looks like self-imposed management control freakery driven by IT staff locked into the MS food chain; it’s a bit like saying we must keep buying the same company car model because it’s the only one whose engine we know how to work on. Apple consistently refuses to pander to this and is therefore accused of not understanding enterprise requirements. But isn’t Apple an enterprise larger than 99% of all others, operating perfectly well with its own products? In the next couple of years, enterprise may find they can rather easily reduce MS to just another supplier, with the benefit of a big saving on “Microsoft Certified Professionals” and Microsoft product license fees. In particular, a general purpose PC may turn out to be the last thing they want on every desk. That tablet could be a stunning enterprise success, giving tight control over the devices capabilities and offsetting the need to replace ageing PC’s. The next stage of MS’s collapse being yet another deferral of replacing XP.

    caveat: I have very little detailed up to date knowlegde of MS in the enterprise, so feel free to contradict.

         
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    Posted: 25 July 2009 02:53 PM #54

    sleepytoo - 25 July 2009 09:56 AM

    caveat: I have very little detailed up to date knowlegde of MS in the enterprise, so feel free to contradict.

    I will give a shot.

    First a little background…

    Normal day jobs is as an accountant and manager in small business (from 6 to 200 employes) for the last 20 years. With also a few years of tech support on Mac and PC

    I was able for the vast majority of that time to work 100% on Mac or use a Mac in a PC environment (with VMWare Fusion). I was able to do so because I have a good knowledge of Mac and PC, My bosses had confident in me and I was willing to do so.

    Now In almost all he business I have work with peoples use PC of course. One of the primary reason that is often overlook is the Accounting/CMS package. More and more the accounting package is integrated with a customer relation package. So if the accounting/CMR run on PC the company run on PC. Often also the vast majority of the user use only that package Plus sometimes Excel or Word (basic function).

    So Apple have two choices if they want to enter the business market. Have the software company Develop great accounting/CMS package for little to big company, or use te virtualization avenue.

    If Apple could sell Mac with (don’t flame me) windows pre-install but in a way that is transparent for the end user they can enter the business market. In order to do so, the integration have to be 100% invisible to the average Joe. Remember that they often don’t have a clue of what they are using and what is an OS.  At the same time they expect everyting to behave in a certain way or they are lost…. Put a veteran user on XP in front of Vista you will see…

    The acutal combination of VmWare and OS X is great…. if you are an above average user in enterprise. Having the average employe switch between two OS is not really practical.

    So I’m still waiting for Apple to make a real Integration. Make Windows look and feel like a Mac (skin?) so the user only see one OS.


    As for accounting package Yes there is some available. Some are really great, some are not so good. Mostly all of them are tailored for the US market. Sadly any mac user outside of the US (or maybe France that have a good choice from what I can tell) are out of luck. If they can’t find a package they can adapt then they don’t use mac. The package available are not as in great numbers as PC. Specialized market often are out of luck. They endup using sometimes crappy PC software because it’s the only choice.

    One way for Apple to enter the market would be to help develop web base accounting package that can be modified to the company wishes an be use on any platform….. or hire an evangelist that will persuade software company to create good package for mac.

     

    Of course I didn’t talk about the IT department, but in small business (less then 200) the IT department is not present or is a one man show…or in my case the accounting guy….!

    Just my 2 cents

         
  • Posted: 25 July 2009 03:16 PM #55

    My two cents:

    If Apple could make PC apps run without the MS OS using wine or some such technology, MS’ dominance will get a swift kick.  Winehq.org and codeweavers.com is a start.  It works now, but it’s not 100% error-free.  I really don’t like having the MS OS on my machine, but I currently don’t have a choice with the PC software I need.

    I’m not aware of high octane accounting programs running on the Mac.  Plus, all the professional tax preparation software runs on the MS OS. 

    OS virtualization is an intriguing option, but I’m not familiar with it to call it a viable one.  It seems if one can leverage an internet connection, using others to manage the MS OS, maybe one can keep the MS OS off the Mac entirely?  I’m asking here.

         
  • Posted: 25 July 2009 03:18 PM #56

    mbmullin - 25 July 2009 07:53 AM

    Hasn’t MSFT extended the EOL for XP multiple times though?

    It seems to me MSFT would be foolish to terminate support for XP until they have proven to the Enterprise segment that W-7 can get the job done w/ minimal issues.  It’s supposedly an improvement over Vista, but surely there are companies out there that are going to wait and see.

    From an article online:

    Microsoft ends so-called “mainstream” support for Windows XP on Tuesday, April 14, 2009.

    After that date, the company will provide “extended” support for another five years until April 8, 2014. However, extended support only includes free security fixes along with paid per-incident support as well as support contracts.

         
  • Posted: 25 July 2009 06:09 PM #57

    No one seems to have posted this so I thought I would share.


    There was a leak yesterday of Microsoft concept images from the store:

    They can be found Here amongst other places.

    You can download the complete pdf Here.

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  • Posted: 25 July 2009 07:55 PM #58

    I see the Titanic. Who would have thought it could happen? I don’t underestimate them but if this venture is meant to help save MS then they better spend more time on the lifeboats.

         
  • Posted: 28 July 2009 10:21 PM #59

    From Engadget

    Looks like the folks at Redmond have picked the first two retail locations for its stores, and according to CNET, those lucky locales are Scottsdale, Arizona and Mission Viejo, California—yeah, not exactly the most exciting picks, but perhaps the local authorities were quicker to sign the leases. Unsurprisingly, the California store is in a mall where an Apple store also resides—let’s hope the two stores find themselves within earshot of one another.

    We will get simultaneous reports from the Mission Viejo mall. Maybe MS will pay a few hundred shoppers as they’ve paid the laptop ad shoppers.