President Obama and Apple CEO Steve Jobs

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    Posted: 22 October 2010 12:45 AM #16

    mbeauch - 22 October 2010 03:30 AM
    Zeke - 22 October 2010 03:24 AM

    What Obama should ask Jobs about is leadership style and skills.

    I can’t help myself with this little gem. The president of the United States is suppose to ask for advice on leadership skills.  rolleyes

    For SJ it is easy.  He tells Apple what he wants and the company delivers.  If they don’t do what he wants they go work for Palm. :-D

    Obama on the other hand has a tough job.  He is surrounded by politicians who think being elected confirms how high their IQ is.  Telling those folks what to do is like hurdding cats.  Especially in his own party.  Look how hard it was to get Health Care thru with big majorities in both houses.

    The bottom line is that there is little that Obama can learn from SJ unless he has an iMovie question that he can use for a new campaign commercial. :-o

         
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    Posted: 22 October 2010 12:49 AM #17

    What the heck is hurdding? How do you do it? :-D

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  • Posted: 22 October 2010 12:49 AM #18

    mbeauch - 22 October 2010 03:30 AM
    Zeke - 22 October 2010 03:24 AM

    What Obama should ask Jobs about is leadership style and skills.

    I can’t help myself with this little gem. The president of the United States is suppose to ask for advice on leadership skills.  rolleyes

    So then, which president was it that couldn’t have learned anything about leadership from Steve Jobs?  You start with the assumption that if Obama does something it must be wrong and then you find some convoluted justification for that prejudice.  It’s not just a display of willful ignorance, it’s boring and a waste of everyone’s time.

         
  • Posted: 22 October 2010 12:49 AM #19

    Robert_Austin - 22 October 2010 02:35 AM

    Yes sure ...!!!

    Why not as we saw in the recent economic recession we have to face a lot of job displacement and this should be fulfilled by our president.

    I struggle a bit to understand how the government is supposed to stay out of economic issues but it’s totally their responsibility when jobs aren’t available. I thought business was supposed to be best at these things (and I think they are). I mean, if we don’t want the government employing everyone, why isn’t anyone calling on industry to create jobs? There’s no shortage of profits as everyone here fully knows.

    Seems awfully convenient to blame the president…

         
  • Posted: 22 October 2010 03:26 AM #20

    Seems awfully convenient to blame the president?

      For 9 years it was Bush’s fault. Seems to come with the territory.

         
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    Posted: 22 October 2010 03:32 AM #21

    Oh yeah, great idea, I cant wait for the new $2500 iPods. They’ll sell like cold cakes.

    firestorm - 22 October 2010 12:07 AM

    What I would like to see is an agreement to bring most Apple manufacturing back to the USA. I am concerned that when Apple is creating some of the most innovative intellectual property ever, they are simply handing it to the Chinese to steal.

    Comments like this are why I am against more shareholder decision making in corporations.

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    Posted: 22 October 2010 03:55 AM #22

    Not that I want to give Obama any credit for leadership (especially in his abdication of health care to Congress, which is why it should not be called “Obamacare”), but what you say has a lot of merit in general.

    When contemplating General Eisenhower winning the Presidential election, Truman said, ?He?ll sit here, and he?ll say, ?Do this! Do that!? And nothing will happen. Poor Ike?it won?t be a bit like the Army. He?ll find it very frustrating.?

    Government in a nutshell. A bunch of public employees you can’t fire.

    I also recall former GE CEO Jack Welch saying, “I wouldn’t know how to run a public organization,” basically because you can’t fire anyone.

    And yes, presidents get too much credit and too much blame for the economy.

    omacvi - 22 October 2010 03:45 AM
    mbeauch - 22 October 2010 03:30 AM
    Zeke - 22 October 2010 03:24 AM

    What Obama should ask Jobs about is leadership style and skills.

    I can’t help myself with this little gem. The president of the United States is suppose to ask for advice on leadership skills.  rolleyes

    For SJ it is easy.  He tells Apple what he wants and the company delivers.  If they don’t do what he wants they go work for Palm. :-D

    Obama on the other hand has a tough job.  He is surrounded by politicians who think being elected confirms how high their IQ is.  Telling those folks what to do is like hurdding cats.  Especially in his own party.  Look how hard it was to get Health Care thru with big majorities in both houses.

    The bottom line is that there is little that Obama can learn from SJ unless he has an iMovie question that he can use for a new campaign commercial. :-o

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  • Posted: 22 October 2010 03:57 AM #23

    danthemason - 22 October 2010 06:26 AM

    For 9 years it was Bush’s fault. Seems to come with the territory.

    You’re suggesting that Democrats, who are often referred to now as socialists, don’t go after corporations on economic issues? Isn’t going after corporations the alpha and omega of socialism? Which is it?

         
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    Posted: 22 October 2010 04:02 AM #24

    Here’s an idea for Jobs to give to Obama: A tax holiday (or at least a huge cut) for overseas profits. Over a trillion dollars of US business capital is languishing overseas because the US wants to double-tax them (already taxed in foreign countries). At least give some sort of credit for the overseas rate. Other countries don’t do this, just another reason not to open a business in the US.

    It would sure be nice to get the $20 or so billion Apple has overseas as a dividend or stock buyback, or to buy Facebook with.

    And do you think it would help the US economy to have a trillion *real* dollars (as opposed to borrowed/printed) dumped into the economy, but instead of squandered on political cronyism, it was spent as the private sector sees fit? I’ll bet that’d give the economy a boost!

    I’ll bet Jobs tells Obama this.

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  • Posted: 22 October 2010 04:15 AM #25

    moved to rants

    [ Edited: 22 October 2010 04:29 AM by danthemason ]      
  • Posted: 22 October 2010 04:18 AM #26

    JDSoCal - 22 October 2010 06:32 AM

    Comments like this are why I am against more shareholder decision making in corporations.

    So, no governmental checks against corporate behavior and no shareholder checks either? You’re quite the authoritarian. I wonder if Lehman Brothers or Enron or Worldcom would have benefitted from more shareholder decision making since clearly management at those outfits totally had short-term and long-term shareholder interests in mind.

         
  • Posted: 22 October 2010 04:34 AM #27

    JDSoCal - 22 October 2010 06:55 AM

    Government in a nutshell. A bunch of public employees you can’t fire.

    That’s not true. You can fire any of them, you just need to show cause. The whole point of the civil service was to stop politicians paying off their supporters by giving them jobs. It was entirely an anti-corruption effort. But they can all be fired, every last one of them. That can either come from within the executive branch itself or from Congress by defunding.

    But I think the problem most people have with government is with the group of employees that cannot be fired, because they were elected. I’m not so eager to eliminate that system, flawed as it is.

    And yes, presidents get too much credit and too much blame for the economy.

    Agreed on both points.

         
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    Posted: 22 October 2010 05:00 AM #28

    Sure there are governmental checks; there are laws on fraud, and no libertarian is against that. Both Enron and Worldcom led to prosecutions. Of course, the SEC did nothing to actually prevent these huge losses, much as with Madoff (if anything, their failure to uncover his crimes gave him their imprimatur to keep on rolling).

    And for the record, Enron’s shenanigans were uncovered by a hedge fund manager, not the SEC. Thanks, private sector.

    As for Lehman, they were allowed to fail, the exact right decision. Too bad the gov didn’t allow more of them to fail. Instead, the government gave all the banks the moral hazard of FDIC insurance.

    Shareholder checks are to sell the stock, and to diversify. The last thing I need as an AAPL stockholder is some lefty pension fund coming in and suing Apple, as recently happened, enriching lawyers. Or telling Steve Jobs how much he can make. Argh, libs want to ruin everything.

    Johnsonwax - 22 October 2010 07:18 AM

    So, no governmental checks against corporate behavior and no shareholder checks either? You’re quite the authoritarian. I wonder if Lehman Brothers or Enron or Worldcom would have benefitted from more shareholder decision making since clearly management at those outfits totally had short-term and long-term shareholder interests in mind.

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    Posted: 22 October 2010 10:51 AM #29

    JDSoCal - 22 October 2010 06:32 AM

    Oh yeah, great idea, I cant wait for the new $2500 iPods. They’ll sell like cold cakes.

    firestorm - 22 October 2010 12:07 AM

    What I would like to see is an agreement to bring most Apple manufacturing back to the USA. I am concerned that when Apple is creating some of the most innovative intellectual property ever, they are simply handing it to the Chinese to steal.

    Comments like this are why I am against more shareholder decision making in corporations.

    Apple had manufacturing in California for years.

    It just seems stupid to create a high tech product, then hand away the intellectual property rights to a culture that loves piracy. Almost as soon as Apple creates a product, the Chinese pirate the technology and build cheap knockoffs.  You’ve got your head somewhere in the sand, or in a darker place.

         
  • Posted: 22 October 2010 01:03 PM #30

    Zeke - 22 October 2010 03:49 AM
    mbeauch - 22 October 2010 03:30 AM
    Zeke - 22 October 2010 03:24 AM

    What Obama should ask Jobs about is leadership style and skills.

    I can’t help myself with this little gem. The president of the United States is suppose to ask for advice on leadership skills.  rolleyes

    So then, which president was it that couldn’t have learned anything about leadership from Steve Jobs?  You start with the assumption that if Obama does something it must be wrong and then you find some convoluted justification for that prejudice.  It’s not just a display of willful ignorance, it’s boring and a waste of everyone’s time.

    Still waiting for a list of those presidents.