Adobe throws in towel

  • Posted: 15 April 2011 11:46 PM

    Adobe throws in towel, adopts HTTP Live Streaming for iOS.

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    Adobe previewed some new streaming video capabilities of its Flash Media Server at the 2011 National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) trade show, including new compatibility with iOS devices like the iPad. Instead of getting Steve Jobs to relent on his “thoughts on Flash,” however, Adobe is instead adding HTTP Live Streaming support to Flash Media Server.

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    It’s also worth noting that Flash Media Server will also be served to compatible clients on non-iOS platforms, including Safari on Mac OS X. Apple recently began selling its portable computers without Flash pre-installed, and we discovered that running Safari without Flash seemed to increase battery life of the latest MacBook Air as much as 33 percent. While Adobe has claimed to be working on a MacBook Air-optimized version of Flash, perhaps the company decided it was prudent to cover all bases and serve up content to Mac users who are choosing to not install Flash on their systems (yours truly included).

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    Posted: 09 September 2011 01:50 PM #1

    Adobe announced its new Flash Media Server 4.5 late Thursday afternoon, and it?s an iteration Apple device owners should be very happy about. For the first time, Flash?Media?Server now enables same-source video delivery to both Apple devices and Adobe Flash-compatible destinations. Basically, Adobe is acknowledging Apple has won when it comes to Flash.

    The new version of Flash Media Server will repackage content automatically for Apple?s mobile products, which lack Flash support, and implement HTTP Dynamic Streaming or HTTP Live Streaming, both of which are compatible with iOS. In theory, that should allow iOS to have its cake and eat it too, meaning future Flash content will playback on iOS devices, without the slowdowns and battery drain that are part of what made the technology unappealing to Apple to begin with.

         
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    Posted: 09 September 2011 02:05 PM #2

    pats - 09 September 2011 04:50 PM

    Adobe announced its new Flash Media Server 4.5 late Thursday afternoon, and it?s an iteration Apple device owners should be very happy about. For the first time, Flash?Media?Server now enables same-source video delivery to both Apple devices and Adobe Flash-compatible destinations. Basically, Adobe is acknowledging Apple has won when it comes to Flash.

    The new version of Flash Media Server will repackage content automatically for Apple?s mobile products, which lack Flash support, and implement HTTP Dynamic Streaming or HTTP Live Streaming, both of which are compatible with iOS. In theory, that should allow iOS to have its cake and eat it too, meaning future Flash content will playback on iOS devices, without the slowdowns and battery drain that are part of what made the technology unappealing to Apple to begin with.

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  • Posted: 09 September 2011 02:53 PM #3

    Anyone know what this means to actual end user impact?  Do we now wait for individual sites to decide whether or not they go with this new Adobe platform?  I have some sites like OptionsXpress that I depend on, but it is heavy flash based.  I wonder what this news actually means for users like me that cannot use iOS fully on such sites.

         
  • Posted: 09 September 2011 03:15 PM #4

    As far as I can see this is just stripping the Flash wrapper from Flash videos.

    Despite some media coverage this will not deliver Flash to non-Flash devices.

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  • Posted: 09 September 2011 05:51 PM #5

    JDSoCal - 09 September 2011 05:05 PM
    pats - 09 September 2011 04:50 PM

    Adobe announced its new Flash Media Server 4.5 late Thursday afternoon, and it?s an iteration Apple device owners should be very happy about. For the first time, Flash?Media?Server now enables same-source video delivery to both Apple devices and Adobe Flash-compatible destinations. Basically, Adobe is acknowledging Apple has won when it comes to Flash.

    The new version of Flash Media Server will repackage content automatically for Apple?s mobile products, which lack Flash support, and implement HTTP Dynamic Streaming or HTTP Live Streaming, both of which are compatible with iOS. In theory, that should allow iOS to have its cake and eat it too, meaning future Flash content will playback on iOS devices, without the slowdowns and battery drain that are part of what made the technology unappealing to Apple to begin with.

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  • Posted: 12 September 2011 12:33 PM #6

    I don’t think this provides much of a solution to anyone. It will probably help sites that contain massive amounts of video that is delivered inside a standardised Flash-based player container (such as some TV sites, porn sites, etc), but for others, it is fairly useless.

    Those who do have a lot of Flash-based video can now decide whether to spend a lot of money deploying and running this server, which will essentially simply re-wrap Flash video into a non-flash player, or they can spend some money and modify their web site code to embed video inside a non-Flash player.

    All other interactive Flash content will remain unaffected, and will need to be manually ported over to a non-Flash (HTML5, presumably) version, wherever possible (in order to make it accessible on iOS devices).

         
  • Posted: 12 September 2011 01:14 PM #7

    At best, Flash Media Server is a shortcut for web sites that want to move away from Flash but aren’t ready to convert their entire video library (TV, porn). At worst, it’s an Adobe ploy to get web developers to continue to develop with Flash because it “works everywhere.”

    I really hope the statement about supporting non-iOS browsers without Flash is true. I run Safari sans Flash right now and my biggest peeve is sites that have HTML5 video for iOS clients, but serve up “Flash required” messages to desktop browsers.  (cough*MacLife*cough) On such sites you can use the Develop menu to set the user agent to iPad and viola! you get HTML5 video. So stupid.

         
  • Posted: 12 September 2011 01:26 PM #8

    vasic - 12 September 2011 03:33 PM

    All other interactive Flash content will remain unaffected, and will need to be manually ported over to a non-Flash (HTML5, presumably) version, wherever possible (in order to make it accessible on iOS devices).

    Or… the owners could just be like the fashion industry and not care one fig about you and your geeky obsession with three year old fashion accessories…

         
  • Posted: 12 September 2011 01:28 PM #9

    Gruber’s take:

    Translation: FMS 4.5 will send HTML5 video to iOS devices, and send Flash Player-wrapped video to other devices. This is Adobe blinking, acknowledging that iOS will never support Flash Player, and is too big a market for video publishers to ignore.

    This is the wrong approach for video publishers to take, though. They should be sending HTML5/H.264 video to any user agent that supports it, and only falling back to Flash Player for user agents that don?t support HTML5 and H.264. Flash Player should be the fallback exception, not the other way around. E.g., a factory-fresh Mac running Safari could be supported the same way iOS devices are, but instead, FMS will insist on using Flash Player, and instead of being shown video, the user will be told to go install Flash Player.

         
  • Posted: 12 September 2011 06:48 PM #10

    FalKirk - 12 September 2011 04:28 PM

    Gruber’s take:

    [...]E.g., a factory-fresh Mac running Safari could be supported the same way iOS devices are, but instead, FMS will insist on using Flash Player, and instead of being shown video, the user will be told to go install Flash Player.

    Until the day when the Mac no longer supports Flash.  grin

    For reference, admittedly anecdotal, I deploy Click-to-Flash on my Macs, and it only gets put in use about once a week.

         
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    Posted: 12 September 2011 07:00 PM #11

    but instead, FMS will insist on using Flash Player, and instead of being shown video, the user will be told to go install Flash Player.

    I wonder if it would recognize the User Agent in Safari, change it in Safari on a desktop/MacBook to iOS.

    From what I understand this service would cost some money. If so a lot of then small websites may not be able to afford it. The big time operators seem to be have been abandoning Flash anyway.

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