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AAPL Fiscal Q3 2011 Earnings Interim Thread
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But AT, you missed the AFB submission deadline - so unless you worked it out with DT beforehand, I’ve already won!
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Let’s have some numbers!
I forget, did Cl4 devise a rating system of some kind last time around? Were we trying to see if deagol would apply his ranking system for us?
In the meantime - regarding your numbers Chas, now that you’ve probably polished off that awesome iPad 2 birthday cake: You’re also a member of the 18+ million iPhone unit sales group, which by my reckoning is a slight minority position. You also have iPod sales tanking to below 7.5 million units. What’re your thoughts on both of those trends? I also noticed your estimated tax rate for Apple is fairly low, almost following Oppenheimer’s guidance for a 0.5% sequential drop in guidance. You don’t see a bunch more VeriPhone sales - which may be a surprise even to Apple - tending to move the rate a little higher than that?
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Yes. Basically, EPS is tops followed by a gross revenue tiebreaker, or about 30 % weight given to revenue in the alternate ranking. I made it such that the bigger the error, the faster one moves down the rankings. Formula available upon request.
If demand warrants, a more elaborate weighted system including gross margin and units could be made, ala deagol.
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Adam and Mav preparing for the earnings smack down….big talk. Who will prevail?
[ Edited: 30 June 2011 02:43 AM by Red Shirted Ensign ]
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It’s not just us. Though, I should look back to see how this particular friendly rivalry got kicked off (though AT’s “I’m #1!” deal last fiscal quarter results may have had something to do with it
).I’m seriously half-serious about this! So I’m trying for the bullseye like everyone else - competition is inevitable.
It’s fun, and we all push ourselves to get more and more accurate. Good way for the AFB to show its skills to a wider audience.
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It’s not just us. Though, I should look back to see how this particular friendly rivalry got kicked off (though AT’s “I’m #1!” deal last fiscal quarter results may have had something to do with it
).I’m seriously half-serious about this! So I’m trying for the bullseye like everyone else - competition is inevitable.
It’s fun, and we all push ourselves to get more and more accurate. Good way for the AFB to show its skills to a wider audience.
Plus you get to wear those sumo diapers…
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AAPL: to boldly go where no stock has gone before
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It’s not just us. Though, I should look back to see how this particular friendly rivalry got kicked off (though AT’s “I’m #1!” deal last fiscal quarter results may have had something to do with it
).I’m seriously half-serious about this! So I’m trying for the bullseye like everyone else - competition is inevitable.
It’s fun, and we all push ourselves to get more and more accurate. Good way for the AFB to show its skills to a wider audience.
Plus you get to wear those sumo diapers…
Yes, please keep wearing the diapers.
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Let’s not go there people.
I was on my iPhone (takes) 4 (ever to post on TMO on 3G at least) and I didn’t notice the clash of titans pic the redshirt posted. I can’t pretend to be on the level of the best, not yet anyway.
Also, in the interests of being culturally correct, it’s a mawashi, not a “sumo diaper.” I certainly wouldn’t call it a “diaper” to, say, Asashoryu.
Btw: This is unexpectedly entertaining: Sumo bout with special effects!
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Yes. Basically, EPS is tops followed by a gross revenue tiebreaker, or about 30 % weight given to revenue in the alternate ranking. I made it such that the bigger the error, the faster one moves down the rankings.
EPS error magnification formula:
= (1+ (ABS( [person’s estimate]-[average estimate] ))/ [average estimate] )^ 5
The error is amplified by the 5 exponent. The 1 helps spread out people’s rankings so that the are definitively split.
There is a similar formula for gross revenue errors. The exponent there is lower and also the number is weighted down a lot.
The 2 numbers are added and we have a ranking where EPS takes most of the credit, but gross revenue is more than just a tie breaker. This quarter, I may increase the weight for gross revenue.
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Btw DT, all the index participants have their numbers in?
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I wonder what the chances are that Apple will earn >$7.00 per share in the third quarter, thus surprising all of us including me.
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The measure of the worth of a product is how much people are willing to pay for it, not how many people will buy it if the price is low enough.
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I wonder what the chances are that Apple will earn >$7.00 per share in the third quarter, thus surprising all of us including me.
It’s possible, of course. Likely? No.
There’s a report coming out of GS today suggesting that VZ iPhone sales are flat or down from Q2 following a pow wow with VZ investor relations. Apple is global, so domestic trends can be overstated to overall Q3 results.
http://9to5mac.com/2011/07/01/verizon-iphone-sales-slowing-down-ahead-of-iphone-5/
When it comes to Apple’s international sales climb, there is always upside surprise potential. However, Apple’s guidance is consistently conservative, and I don’t recall when Apple had a $2 beat over its guidance. Recall that Apple’s guidance for this quarter is $5.03 EPS.
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I wonder what the chances are that Apple will earn >$7.00 per share in the third quarter, thus surprising all of us including me.
When it comes to Apple’s international sales climb, there is always upside surprise potential. However, Apple’s guidance is consistently conservative, and I don’t recall when Apple had a $2 beat over its guidance. Recall that Apple’s guidance for this quarter is $5.03 EPS.
How about a 40% beat?
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AT, hope you don’t mind that I brought your fiscal Q3 estimates over here:
Here are my estimates.
Rev 26,374
GM% 40.70%
FIT % 23.75%
OpEx 2,604
EPS 6.64
iPhone Units 17,029
iPhone ASP 669
iPad Units 8,100
iPad ASP 640
Mac Units 4,427
Mac ASP 1,258
iPod Units 8,447
iPod ASP 177Signature
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Don’t get cocky. And let’s keep it clean. Until I win!
Ahem.
It really seems like the scatterplot of estimates is a heck of a lot tighter this time around, but then again, the index isn’t out yet, so maybe it’s just me.
Overall I like your numbers, though I’m obviously hoping for my numbers (about 2% higher earnings and about 1.5% higher recs) to be closer to actual
.Few questions:
Do you think VeriPhone sales improved this quarter? If so, do you think tax rate would be affected?
Your OpEx seems like it’s on the high side (sequentially higher on a percentage basis). Why’s that?
Your iPad ASP is considerably higher than the $604 actual “ASP” from last quarter, and while your Mac number is actually more bullish than mine (by about 3%), you also have ASP dropping pretty dramatically, by 5%. Your thoughts on all that?
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