Thundering Herd Update

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    Posted: 05 August 2011 02:06 AM #31

    adamthompson3232 - 02 August 2011 04:16 PM

    TouchPad from HP just got a promo price for the next month of $449, a $50 drop. Not a good sign for demand. iPad wins again.

    On Woot.com today. “Deal” of the day! Right.

    HP TouchPad 9.7? 16GB Wi-Fi Tablet
    $379.99 + $5 shipping

         
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    Posted: 05 August 2011 03:00 AM #32

    This is getting ridiculous.

    I just saw an HP TouchPad TV ad (the Pacquiao one that’s been on for a while, the one that’s actually pretty good) and the advertised price is now $399!

    Didn’t the TouchPad launch just a month ago?

    Now, it does raise an interesting question.  If $399 is the next frontier for iPad competitors, how would Apple respond?

    (If Apple can deliver a too-good-to-be-true 2048x1532 res screen next generation, the answer is - by keeping prices exactly the same.)

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    Posted: 05 August 2011 03:15 AM #33

    $100 or $115 cheaper than the iPad is not going to influence many people. Drop the price to $299 and you’ll see some movement. Most folks understand the importance of apps and the TouchPad does not have many. And that’s before you even start to consider useability and touchscreen responsiveness.

    TouchPad 2 needs to be hecka better, HP. You know iPad 3 is going to be killer.

         
  • Posted: 05 August 2011 03:37 AM #34

    Wouldn’t most people read at least one review?  If that’s the case then $199.00 wouldn’t be cheap enough.  wink

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  • Posted: 05 August 2011 08:08 AM #35

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    Posted: 05 August 2011 01:50 PM #36

    rattyuk - 05 August 2011 11:08 AM
    Mav - 05 August 2011 06:00 AM

    Now, it does raise an interesting question.  If $399 is the next frontier for iPad competitors, how would Apple respond?

    And another question. Do Apple need to respond if, selling at this price, they are making very little or even losing money?

    Y’know, I did say Apple shouldn’t do anything if iPad 3 has a Retina Display.  wink

    _Is_ $399 a loss-leader/minimal-profit price?  We’ll just have to see.

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  • Posted: 09 August 2011 12:09 PM #37

    Forrester thinks that the Thundering Herd may have a better opportunity in Europe but there’s a catch.
    “But, in order to compete, competitors will need to cut their prices, as Apple’s larger scale and efficient supply chain give it an advantage. “A competitor to Apple would have to put together the right content, the right price and the right channel strategy. There isn’t anyone that has all three,” she said.”
    My favorite is “the right channel strategy”.  The only strategy that has ever been identifiable from these guys is waiting for Apple to overprice their always superior product.  Oops!  :-D

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    Posted: 09 August 2011 12:46 PM #38

    Newspapers take on Ipad wit subsidized Android tablet?......Please. DOA (but it won’t ever arrive).

    http://9to5mac.com/2011/08/09/us-newspapers-plan-to-take-on-ipad-with-subsidized-android-tablet-built-by-samsung/


    From the ?I would be shocked if it was successful? department (literally ? a quote from one of the execs near the situation), comes news from CNN that Tribune Company is exploring the idea of building a tablet that would compete against Apple?s iPad and tablets from other manufacturers.

    Tribune owns a handful of major US daily newspapers, including the Chicago Tribune, Los Angeles Times and The Baltimore Sun, along with 23 television stations.

    Tribune aims to offer the tablet for free, or at a highly subsidized price, to people who agree to sign up for extended subscriptions to one of its papers and possibly a wireless-data plan with a partner cellular carrier, said five people briefed on the project.

    The report states that this is the pet project of Eddy Hartenstein, Tribune?s chief executive, and they are working with manufacturing partners which may include Samsung.

    The Tribune has faced threat of bankruptcy woes in recent years but it is noteworthy that only 8% of the US currently has a tablet, perhaps leaving the door open for other players.

    [ Edited: 09 August 2011 12:49 PM by Red Shirted Ensign ]

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  • Posted: 09 August 2011 01:00 PM #39

    BillH - 09 August 2011 03:09 PM

    Forrester reports:

    “But, in order to compete, competitors will need to cut their prices, as Apple’s larger scale and efficient supply chain give it an advantage.”

    I saw that too. What a dope.

    Price is not a differentiator, it’s a death spiral.

    If you have lower costs and reflect that in your pricing, then THAT may be a legitimate differentiator. But if your costs are the same (or higher) than that of your competition and if your product is the same (or inferior) to that of your competition, then cutting prices will only cut your margins and increase your support costs. It always has been a losing strategy and it always will be a losing strategy no matter how often it is advocated or how often it is implemented.

         
  • Posted: 09 August 2011 01:24 PM #40

    FalKirk - 09 August 2011 04:00 PM
    BillH - 09 August 2011 03:09 PM

    Forrester reports:

    “But, in order to compete, competitors will need to cut their prices, as Apple’s larger scale and efficient supply chain give it an advantage.”

    I saw that too. What a dope.

    Price is not a differentiator, it’s a death spiral.

    If you have lower costs and reflect that in your pricing, then THAT may be a legitimate differentiator. But if your costs are the same (or higher) than that of your competition and if your product is the same (or inferior) to that of your competition, then cutting prices will only cut your margins and increase your support costs. It always has been a losing strategy and it always will be a losing strategy no matter how often it is advocated or how often it is implemented.

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  • Posted: 09 August 2011 01:25 PM #41

    Preliminary injunction granted by German court: Apple blocks Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 in the entire European Union except for the Netherlands

    http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/08/preliminary-injunction-granted-by.html

         
  • Posted: 09 August 2011 01:26 PM #42

    Mav - 05 August 2011 06:00 AM

    This is getting ridiculous.

    I just saw an HP TouchPad TV ad (the Pacquiao one that’s been on for a while, the one that’s actually pretty good) and the advertised price is now $399!

    Didn’t the TouchPad launch just a month ago?

    Now, it does raise an interesting question.  If $399 is the next frontier for iPad competitors, how would Apple respond?

    (If Apple can deliver a too-good-to-be-true 2048x1532 res screen next generation, the answer is - by keeping prices exactly the same.)

    They will maintain pricing and raise the performance bar.

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  • Posted: 09 August 2011 02:03 PM #43

    calvinav - 09 August 2011 04:25 PM

    Preliminary injunction granted by German court: Apple blocks Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 in the entire European Union except for the Netherlandsl

    Thanks for the heads up, Calvinav.

    The Courts usually move so slowly and patent issues go on forevvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvver. But it really seems like the patent issues are heating up and coming to a head. Several hearings are scheduled for late October and one for February. And these types of preliminary injunctions tend to make things move much faster since they are costing the defending party money.

    We sure do live in interesting times.

         
  • Posted: 09 August 2011 02:25 PM #44

    FalKirk - 09 August 2011 05:03 PM
    calvinav - 09 August 2011 04:25 PM

    Preliminary injunction granted by German court: Apple blocks Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 in the entire European Union except for the Netherlandsl

    Thanks for the heads up, Calvinav.

    The Courts usually move so slowly and patent issues go on forevvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvver. But it really seems like the patent issues are heating up and coming to a head. Several hearings are scheduled for late October and one for February. And these types of preliminary injunctions tend to make things move much faster since they are costing the defending party money.

    We sure do live in interesting times.

    Fully agreed. This European injunction coming on heels of the Australian release postponement of Samsung’s tablet means Apple’s legal proceedings are bearing fruit for sure.

         
  • Posted: 12 August 2011 04:55 PM #45

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