The Steve Jobs As Chairman, Tim Cook As CEO Topic

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    Posted: 25 August 2011 12:13 AM #16

    Col. Pennick - 25 August 2011 03:00 AM

    From a medical standpoint it appears as if Steve’s cancer is back.  He delayed his first surgery and the cancer metastasized.  With spread to the liver, he needed a transplant (and second medical leave).  He probably also had spread to other organs which showed up later (after transplant).  He probably had chemo for this, explaining his last medical leave.  With chemo exhausted, he may be looking at the end.  Of course, this is just my speculation.

    It is a very sad day indeed.

    What are you the treating physician or just another insensitive fucking idiot.  If you have ever been around cancer you would know that it is one of the most unpredictable diseases and to speculate is total BS.  Leave your speculation to yourself, we all know cancer kills and SJ has survived to date so let’s hope for his good health.

         
  • Posted: 25 August 2011 12:17 AM #17

    SJ’s health issues are his issues. I don’t desire to speculate on his condition nor should this forum community devolve into discussions about his personal health matters.

    Apple is in capable hands and Steve Jobs has taken the company and the industries in which the company competes farther than any other individual could and with great strength, vision and conviction, further than any other individual would.

    We all knew this day would come and it’s a day many of us have expected for quite a period of time. It’s an unpleasant day but a day that has come to pass. I look forward to a bright future for Apple, the company’s shareholders, the company’s customers and all of us who have enriched our lives through the uses of Apple products and Apple technology.

    I look forward to SJ’s continuing involvement in his role as the company’s board chair.

         
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    Posted: 25 August 2011 12:21 AM #18

    pats,

    I think that’s a little harsh considering his post history.

    I don’t think it needs to be said but I’ll put it out there anyway.  No one here knows the “truth” about what’s going on about Steve’s health anymore than anyone knows the trajectory of Apple’s stock.  Reasonable opinions are fine but stuff like “y’know, I totally called it, I was right and you guys were wrong and just didn’t listen to me and look how wrong you were because I was so totally right” (there’s worse variants of that, but you get the picture), whatever ends up happening with Steve Jobs or Apple or AAPL, should not be tolerated around here.

    [ Edited: 25 August 2011 12:24 AM by Mav ]

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  • Posted: 25 August 2011 12:27 AM #19

    Let’s not argue. Truth is that a person we all admire and care about is going through an immense physical and mental struggle right now.  We have all benefited from his vision and execution.  As a tribute to Mr. Jobs as he takes the helm as Chairman of the Board, we should show our support verbally for him and for Mr. Cook.  If there are idiots who want to dump the stock, so be it. Steve Jobs’ legacy is not only the vision and products he left behind - and how he changed the world in so many ways - but the people he embraced and took steps to insure their place at the head of his company. We should show our support for Tim Cook, if for no other reason than because Steve Jobs would have wanted us to. 
    In Asia the stock seems to be down 1%.  It really is ridiculous.  Typical day trading nonsense.  Clearly people who did not share Steve Jobs’ vision.

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    Posted: 25 August 2011 12:29 AM #20

    I am going to ask that the forum please not dwell on the health of Steve. None of us are promised tomorrow. Man up and move forward. (sorry Love) SJ is staying on a chairman of the BOD, great. TC is the official CEO now, duh, has been acting for years. I wish this had been done back in Jan, but here we are. I trust Tim to take Apple to new heights.  :innocent:


    I remember writing this not to long ago.  :cry:


    http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/forums/viewreply/536503/

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    Posted: 25 August 2011 12:29 AM #21

    Mav - 25 August 2011 03:21 AM

    pats,

    I think that’s a little harsh considering his post history.

    I don’t think it needs to be said but I’ll put it out there anyway.  No one here knows the “truth” about what’s going on about Steve’s health anymore than anyone knows the trajectory of Apple’s stock.  Reasonable opinions are fine but stuff like “y’know, I totally called it, I was right and you guys were wrong and just didn’t listen to me and look how wrong you were because I was so totally right” (there’s worse variants of that, but you get the picture), whatever ends up happening with Steve Jobs or Apple or AAPL, should not be tolerated around here.

    I guess I’m a bit sensitive I lost my sister at age 52 after three rounds of cancer over seven years.  It zaps your energy and people like SJ need your prayers way more then someone coming out and saying he’s doomed.  As far as Apple the company, I think they will handle the transition of leadership but nothing in life is a given.

         
  • Posted: 25 August 2011 12:30 AM #22

    AFB Advisory: I will close any topics and review all posts that amount to no more or little more than idle speculation about Steve Jobs and his health issues. I expect leadership from all active AFB members and for this community to live it’s reputation as a premier forum for intelligent and informed discussions.

         
  • Posted: 25 August 2011 12:44 AM #23

    Have we learned nothing from SJ’s leadership?  We need to share our support for Tim Cook, the balance of the management team, and the company with the rest of the investment world.  Be vocal.  Submit blog postings on other sites.  Believe in Apple.

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    Posted: 25 August 2011 12:45 AM #24

    pats - 25 August 2011 03:29 AM
    Mav - 25 August 2011 03:21 AM

    pats,

    I think that’s a little harsh considering his post history.

    I don’t think it needs to be said but I’ll put it out there anyway.  No one here knows the “truth” about what’s going on about Steve’s health anymore than anyone knows the trajectory of Apple’s stock.  Reasonable opinions are fine but stuff like “y’know, I totally called it, I was right and you guys were wrong and just didn’t listen to me and look how wrong you were because I was so totally right” (there’s worse variants of that, but you get the picture), whatever ends up happening with Steve Jobs or Apple or AAPL, should not be tolerated around here.

    I guess I’m a bit sensitive I lost my sister at age 52 after three rounds of cancer over seven years.  It zaps your energy and people like SJ need your prayers way more then someone coming out and saying he’s doomed.  As far as Apple the company, I think they will handle the transition of leadership but nothing in life is a given.


    A follow up to Pats, my mother was diagnosed with BC when I was 9. This came on the heels of my dad having a brain tumor and having surgery in England while in the AF. 10 years later my mother lost her battle and it was a long hard road. Any wanna be doctors out there that want to comment, keep it to yourself. It is nothing that needs to be discussed in this forum. My thought is to grab someone next to you, hug them, kiss them, them them they are loved. :innocent:

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  • Posted: 25 August 2011 12:52 AM #25

    I expect us all to cut each other a considerable amount of slack during this time.

    It can be an anxious time.  Be gentle.

         
  • Posted: 25 August 2011 01:07 AM #26

    This is a forum of like minded people re Apple.  While I agree that health speculation on his exact condition needs to be handled with discretion, the fact of the matter is that many of us feel we know Steve.  We have a right to be concerned and it is natural.  Especially those of us who have watched a family member go through the nasty journey that is cancer.  I lost a brother-in-law to pancreatic cancer, and it is something you can never put behind you.

    I realize that this forum is run with an iron fist, but this is a day many of us have been dreading, and I urge the administration to let us discuss the subject.  It is healthy and necessary, and from an investment perspective it is very important. No sense pretending that it is business as usual - it isn’t when the greatest CEO of our time is leaving his position.  For him to take that step means that he has realized for the first time that he cannot continue.  That is huge news, and something that impacts all of us as Apple investors.

         
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    Posted: 25 August 2011 01:16 AM #27

    Lstream, I have to disagree. We all need to make our own decisions about our investment in Apple. If someone here is going to make choices because of the forum, well good luck. If you are going to sell, good for you. If you are going to buy, good for you. He is not CEO anymore, any claims anyone has about knowing anything about his health are invalid today.

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  • Posted: 25 August 2011 01:24 AM #28

    adamthompson3232 - 25 August 2011 03:47 AM

    I remember writing a while back that I would divest from AAPL when SJ is no longer with us.

    I remember you writing that and wondered how you would feel about leaving when that time came.  Good for you for recognizing how much has changed in a VERY brief period of time.  The stock may get knocked around in the short term but I’m pretty sure that many will now agree with your very astute assessment of the reality in front of us.

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    Posted: 25 August 2011 01:29 AM #29

    Tonight I sent a thank you note to Steve and a congratulation one to Tim.

    Glad to report that Tim wrote back.

    This alone let me know that Apple will stay the same!

         
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    Posted: 25 August 2011 01:30 AM #30

    adamthompson3232 - 25 August 2011 04:15 AM

    For the record, I have never asked him for any inside information, have no idea if he is privy to any inside information, and he’s never volunteered any inside information. The only info I consistently get from him is along the lines of “we’re kicking ass and taking names.”

    Good.  Please make sure that stays the case.  Remember the environment we’re in, and always be mindful of the passive-aggressive SEC that sleeps/watches porn sometimes and engages in merciless pursuits other times.

    DT makes the rules here, being Mr. AFB and since his moderation of the forum has been quite reasonable while we would all do well to stay within the lines he’s set.  Soon those of you who are on a first name basis will need to submit your estimates and price targets.  We’re more than an AAPL discussion board, we do serious work here.  There are other places to talk Steve’s health if you must.  Heck, give the One Infinite Loop subforum here a try.

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