Well I put it this way.  I am done with OS 9.  I feel like I am in the senior of high school.  That time where I am still in High School becuaser I have to be to graduate, but I already got accepted to my school of choice.  OS 9 is great.  But OS X WILL BE (it isn’t yet) better.  Not unlike the first few weeks of college, different p[lace, different people and then you realize your freedom and make great new friends As I hope you have gathered by now OS X is my schoo l of chioce and OS 9 is High school.  I want to be done with OS 9, but until I get Photoshop or a sdimilar app (Photo Studio Pro?)  and a few other things I have to keep OS 9 around.  I can’t wait for the day I have an OS 9 box Without classic installed anywhere…

Don’t ge tme wrong I love OS 9, but it will some day be in the same way I love playing 8-bit nintendo Now….

10.1 will bring a few more pele which will urge the developers alittle more and by this time next year I think they will split the market evenly, Half Os9 Hlaf OS X, and once it reaches that and poeple starting seeing compatability issues they will soon switch…

On 2001-08-22 14:02, tbone1 wrote:

Since when? Nazis of any stripe will never let a little thing like empirical evidence stand in the way of their making totals asses of themselves.

Yeah, you’re right and it’s sad. I guess I was trying to say that now Mac OS is Unix, it automatically gained the backing of 30+ years of proven reliability, security and flexibilty. So when a PC nerd bad mouths Mac OSX he’s not just bashing us Mac “zealots”, but almost the entire history of computers and brilliant programming. Don’t these guys ever wonder where Bill Gates got the idea for DOS. It’s just like almost everthing Microsft has ever done, make really awful imitations of preeminent work.

  Listen, on the Wintel side, there are people still using, and swearing by, Windows 3.11. A large percentage of Windows users still use ‘95. OS nostalgia is not unique to the Mac. (Now, personally, I don’t think it’s nostalgia; I think it’s resistance to change.)
  IMHO, Macheads will be using OS 9 for years to come.
  That being said, I’m hooked on X. I don’t even have the drives mount on the desktop anymore. Why root around (pun intended) in a drive, when I can open a Finder window and quickly navigate anywhere I want to go?
  If 10.1 lives up to the hype, I won’t look back, that’s for sure.
  I’m an old guy — mid-40s — but I just don’t have much time or patience for nostalgia. The classic Mac OS was great, but other operating systems are leaving it behind. Painful as it is to say, Win2K is a better operating system than Classic.
  But Win2K is NOT better than OS X!!!
  Besides, if OS X doesn’t take off — and very soon — we Macheads will have lots of time for nostalgia because Macs will be so marginalized as to be little more than historic footnotes.

I remember my first visit to an Apple User group. The group was all about the Apple II. When I walked in and saw three Macs to one side I never bothered with the Apple II again. Its the same with OS X. After using it (OK with some frustration at first) I just don’t want to go back. Now I know where things are (under Aqua anyway) X is much simpler to operate. We just need some decent Apps that do not require the use of Classic. I look forward to the future : an Aqua Blue future.

There are two reasons for me to boot into Mac OS 9.x:

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[*]Create/write CDs (except VCDs) with Toast Titanium
[*]Optimize my HFS partition, shared by both OS X and Classic/OS 9
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Anything else that I care to do can either be accomplished by native OS X apps or by running Classic.  There are a few bugs here and there in the stuff my wife and I run—e.g. music in Shanghai and Shanghai: Second Dynasty—but these are hardly even annoyances.  I could live with 10.0.4 for quite some time now even if 10.1 wasn’t around the corner…

—scott

It seems a little strange to me that there is still any argument or frustration about leaving Mac OS 9 (or earlier) behind. I’m especially dumbfounded by those people that state that OS 10 isn’t even a real Mac OS. I agree that OS 9 was/is great—in most respects. But there are so many advantages (and the list is growing) to OS X, that I can’t believe there is so much resistance to it. Namely, it doesn’t crash my iMac 10 times a day; doesn’t require an invasive program to keep all of it’s extensions behaving; file navigation is easier; graphics engine technology is far superior (and opens door to graphics like we have never seen on a Mac/PC); GUI is far better, in general (at least in my no so humble opinion); speed, while currently just shy of abysmal (for graphics redraw), should steadily improve to a level that OS 9 will probably never reach. And oh yeah… did I mention that I doesn’t crash my system 10 times a day. On top of all that, there is Classic, for those who really have an emotional hang-up about leaving their old OS behind (not that that is a bad thing…). Same basic GUI as OS 9, but it carries many of the benefits of running a more modern OS. I think it’s great that Apple is still working hard at making OS 9 better, and probably incorporating helpful concepts from OS X. But it will soon just be a component if OS X. Not too far down the road, people refusing to give OS X a go will be left in the dust.

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I have mixed feelings.. the only reason I go into classic on my G3 PB with 256 megs RAM is for 4 reasons:

1) To print using USB printer sharing

2) Watch DVDs

3) Watch a quicktime movie larger than 160 by 120 so that it is in SYNC.

4) Photoshop

Once these show up in OS X, I think OS 9 will be gone forever.

I love the look of Mac OS X. I also hate the experience of it.
And this is funny, because I am actually one of the people who really evangelized the stuff until the day I tried the final version, at which point I really felt betrayed by Apple.
In the end OS X will come through for me, but there is a reason why OS 9 will always outperform OS X. It’s called multitasking!
Sure, if you’re trying to run 10 apps concurrently with OS 9, you may not be seeing the kind of fluid cooperation you might have in mind. But consider this: due to the fact that OS 9 actually prefers to just run 1 task at a time, the operating system is much faster than OS X when doing this. In my experience true professionals want blistering performance from the ONE app they are running, and avoid clogging up their system with needless background apps.
Whereas OS X forces at least 16 background processes on you that you don’t even have the foggiest what do.
In the long term, Apple *will* be able to migrate users to Mac OS X, but only because apps will stop having OS 9 versions. So like it or not, we will be forced to ‘upgrade’.

I believe there is no escaping that Mac OS X is the future of the Mac opereating system. It will be only a matter of time before most users will change to Mac OS X. I rather like the look and structure of the interface myself. I’m just worried about the complexity of the underlying Unix engine. I am scared to death that dealing with the new OS will be far more difficult when problems occur. I’ve gotten pretty good at determining what is causing problems for the Classic OS. But I’m afraid I’ll need a Unix course to start dealing with X problems. Nevertheless, I think Mac OS X will prove far more adaptable and utilitarian than the old OS. I’ll probably switch when Max OS 10.1 is released.

I’m already done with booting from 9.X - I haven’t done it in weeks. I use X every day and I love it. I do miss the speed of 9 and obviously I’d rather not have to use classic to run Photoshop etc. but on the other hand I don’t miss bombs, freezes, erroneous errors and all the other baggage that goes with 9. And before I get all the eggheads who claim there 9.1 box did the same, save it. I’ve installed everything from System 6 to OS9.2.1 on hundreds of machines and I’ve got a fair idea of how reliable it can be. it’s not bad, it’s just not up there with X.

My G4 has been running X without a shut-down for a few weeks now and it’s fine. If an app crashes or freezes, it’s dealt with and I just get on with my work by relaunching the app. I loved 9 until I got into X, now it’s just a pain to have to use for me. Life under X just seems so much easier and hassle free…...

I’ve pretty much moved over to OS X on a full-time basis, and only use Mac OS 9.x when I am having a hardware access problem.

Of greatest note is the lack of PCMCIA or IrDA support under X.  I’d like to be able to read my digital camera pics from my CF card in my PCMCIA adapter.  As well as use the IrDA port for Palm HotSync, computer to computer networking and printer access.

There are some OS X interface annoyances that I put up with, but it looks like 10.1 will take care of most of them. 

The feature I find most attractive is the ability to get at the UNIX core of OS X.  This lends itself to deeper understanding of the underlying OS, as well as being able to access the wonderful world of the Terminal window, and compiling and using open source goodies.