I don’t think I have to explain this.

These two apps are two of the biggest apps for the Mac. Bread and butter? Hell, they are the meat, the potatoes, the vegatables and dessert.

I’m sure that Office: Mac X will ship.

‘Nuff said.

Give me Photoshop or give me death.

- The Immortal Words of Bradley Paul Smith

I think there’s little reason to fear this doom scenario. Quark is already working on a X version of XPress and Adobe will come with PS for X. Quark was even in the MWNY keynote 10 for X thing with their X version of XPress (version 5) and I know a lot of ppl want to see Adobe to bring all their products out for X right away, but be honest, Adobe doesn’t have enough ppl to do that, so, there’ll be an X version of Photoshop, just later this year.

I agree.  Don’t worry, these apps are coming this year.  I would also not be surprised to see Indesign and Golive also.

Chuck Haislip

It amazes me how people rag on Adobe for not having all their products ready. Son of an infidel, do you people realize what porting this software involves? They only just got a stable version of X for development, and ...

Okay, here’s the deal. If you aren’t a programmer, pick of Kernighan and Ritchie’s “C Programming Language”. Read it. Now, try to figure out how Photoshop:

1) Does a blur
2) Does a sharpen
3) Does a noise reduction
4) Rotates an image 90 degrees (that’s an easy one)
5) Automatically removes redeye
6) Provides an interface for plug-ins
7) Anything else someone can think of

This ain’t rocket science, folks; it’s much more involved. Porting software is no small task even on moderately-sized projects. I can’t even begin to think of the horror that is Photoshop source code ...

On 2001-08-27 10:24, tbone1 wrote:
Okay, here’s the deal. If you aren’t a programmer, pick of Kernighan and Ritchie’s “C Programming Language”. Read it. Now, try to figure out how Photoshop:

1) Does a blur
2) Does a sharpen
3) Does a noise reduction
4) Rotates an image 90 degrees (that’s an easy one)
5) Automatically removes redeye
6) Provides an interface for plug-ins
7) Anything else someone can think of

I is a programmer and items 1 through 5 are NOT OS dependant. Those things happen to the image once it is in memory so who cares what OS the program is running on.

Having said that, TBone is right, it is still a major deal to port the code. It takes time to rework the interface. This is no simple, one-step process. Give Adobe some time.

And Rodney, I don’t think I agree that OS X is dead if PS doesn’t ship this year. Its progress into the market will be slowed, but rumors if its demise are greatly exaggerated.

Oops, the above anonymous post was mine, I fogot to fill in the little blanks.

On 2001-08-27 10:33, Anonymous wrote:

On 2001-08-27 10:24, tbone1 wrote:
Okay, here’s the deal. If you aren’t a programmer, pick of Kernighan and Ritchie’s “C Programming Language”. Read it. Now, try to figure out how Photoshop:

1) Does a blur
2) Does a sharpen
3) Does a noise reduction
4) Rotates an image 90 degrees (that’s an easy one)
5) Automatically removes redeye
6) Provides an interface for plug-ins
7) Anything else someone can think of

I is a programmer and items 1 through 5 are NOT OS dependant. Those things happen to the image once it is in memory so who cares what OS the program is running on.

Generally, yes. However, I used to work on a NASA project that ported software to many, many Unix platforms. Even between Unices, there are a lot of things that will pop up that are different in the system functions used in 1-5.

And that’s between Unices. Imagine going from MacOS to OS X, which is a bit like going from Basque to Irish.

But anyhoo, these things take time, lots of time, and lots of late nights by lots of programmers.

Rodney, are you talking calendar year or the next 12 months? If you’re holding your breath for a Carbonized XPress by the end of 2001, can I have your cube after you expire?

95% of our print work is four pages or less, so everything is done in Illustrator with Photoshop (the two apps causing my face to turn blue). A native XPress (if done right) would be a great boost to the platform. I just wish I hadn’t lost complete and total faith in the company so many years ago—and don’t get me started on the cold-blooded murder of mTropolis!

I certainly don’t miss doing catalog production. 650 pages…  :: shudder! ::

I also disagree with you Rodney. (Sorry, it had to happen SOME time!)
Regardless of new versions of Quark & Pshop, OSX will flourish after 10.1 is released because of the speed increase.
Classic is so good, even in 10.04, that the only detriment to using Photoshop in that environment will be the lack of Xs advanced memory features.
Once 10.1 hits town, I’ll never look back…with or without carbon versions of that software. (both of which I have and use at home)
-Dan

Points noted, Dan, tbones1, et al.

I forgot who suggested that we go and read that book on C programming. I did.

My head hurts.

I take back everything I said

Well you should learn C to get a good basis for Objective-C, so you can program OS X!    And come to my Programmers SIG!

Or if you REALLY want to feel woozy, try judging code for a Perl Obfuscation Contest. That’s when you realize why some people call Perl a ‘write-only’ language: you can’t read it.

Amen, you said it, Perl is definitely one of the most confusing languages written.  I for one would rather write and read PHP.

Chuck