iPad vs. Kindle Fire Spec Comparison Chart

Amazon has set the world, and we’ll ask for your forgiveness in advance for this pun, afire with the announcement of its entry into touch-screen tablet market called Kindle Fire, and like almost every failed tablet that has come before it, many are dubbing it an iPad killer.

At $199, it’s less than half the price of Apple’s entry-level iPad 2, putting it within reach of many more users than Apple’s $499 (and up) device. On the other hand, it’s smaller, runs a forked version of Android, doesn’t have a camera, runs a subset of the tiny number of Android apps that “work” on other Android tablets, and is really more of a tablet wrapper for Amazon’s services than it is a media tablet.

That makes any comparisons an apples vs. oranges effort (pun intended), but the reality is that many people will want and need to do just that. There’s no doubt that iPad 2 is a far, far more capable device, but at $199, the Kindle Fire could well be the definition of good enough, and comparing the specs will make that decision easier.

Accordingly, we present the physical specs as well as some of the software-oriented features in the comparison chart below. Looking at those features, it’s easy to see that the iPad 2 presents far more bang than Amazon’s Kindle Fire, but the subjective question is which one offers the most bang for the buck. The answer to that question will be as personal as “Boxers vs. Briefs.”

For instance, some people will look at the Kindle’s much smaller form factor and think back to then-Apple CEO Steve Jobs making the case that a 7” display isn’t big enough for a proper multitouch interface. Other people will point to the fact that you can grip the Kindle Fire with one hand and count that as a plus.

Looking at the software, iOS 4.3.5 (and soon iOS 5) is far more capable than the Amazoned version of Android 2.3 the Fire runs. Other people will look at the vastly more limited and simple interface of the Fire and find it less intimidating and easier to use.

Camera vs. no camera? People that pick the Fire probably don’t care about this feature. Gyroscope vs. no gyroscope? Some people just want to read books and shop on Amazon and don’t care about racing games and the other awesome uses that iPad developers have found for that device’s gyroscope.

What’s important to you, may be irrelevant to your neighbor, but this chart makes easier both of you to pick the device that’s right for you.

(Even though the iPad 2 is obviously far more bitchin’ than the Fire—we’re just sayin’.)

Note that the images below are presented as close to scale as we could get.

iPad 2 vs. Kindle Fire Specs

  iPad 2 Kindle Fire
Product Apple iPad 2 Amazon Kindle Fire
OS (current) iOS 4.3.5 (as of 10/3/2011) Android 2.3
Apps iOS Apps on Apple’s App Store
(90,000+dedicated iPad apps)
Amazon Appstore for Android
(Unspecified number)
Ebooks Kindle, Apple’s iBooks Kindle
Magazines & Newspapers
Browser Safari & Other Webkit Browsers Amazon Silk
Dimensions (in.) 9.5 x 7.31 x 0.34 7.5 x 4.7 x 0.45
Weight (lbs) 1.33 (Wi-Fi)/1.35 (GSM) 0.91
Display size (in., diag) 9.7 7
Display Resolution 1024 x 768 (LED bklight) 1024 x 600
Processor A5 (dual core)/ 1 GHz TI OMAP dual core/ 1 GHz
RAM (MB) 512 512
User Storage (GB) 16/32/64 8
Front Camera 0.3 MP x
Rear Camera 0.7 MP (720p) x
Camera Flash x x
Microphone x
Audio/speaker mono spkr, stereo headphone stereo jack & spkrs
Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n 802.11 b/g/n
3G Radio (GSM)  UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA/GSM/EDGE x
3G Radio (CDMA) CDMA, EV-DO x
Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR x
GPS w/3G x
Battery Life, hours 10 (25 watt-hr) 8
Accelerometer x
Magnetometer/Compass x
Gyroscope x
Video out HDMI (w/ accessory),
Wireless AirPlay for Some Apps
x
USB x
Sensors Ambient Light x
Colors Black or White Black
Price US$ (Wi-Fi) 499/599/699 199
Price US$ (3G) 629/729/829 x

John Martellaro greatly assisted with this article.

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76 Comments Leave Your Own

mlanger

You left out the Nook software, which works on the iPad. Offers BN.com books, if you don’t like Amazon.

geoduck

Apple will sell a lot of iPads
Amazon will sell a lot of Fires

De gustibus non disputandum est

Nemo

While the chart shows that the iPad2 has superior specs, I argue that what really matter is the user’s experience.  To that end, I would advise anyone considering and comparing the Kindle Fire and iPad2 to take each on good test drives, the iPad2 at the nearest Apple Store, and the Kindle Fire at wherever it’s being sold.  Because the purpose of specs is the experience, and that can only be had by trying each device and some the apps and other service that one wants to run on them.  And only after you had the experience of the iPad2 and the Kindle Fire will you be able to determine which offers the best value for its price.

Mikuro

I consider the size an advantage, but I also wonder if it wouldn’t be better to just get a big phone. The new Galaxy S2 phones look very nice, and some have almost comically large screens.

Lee Dronick

Specs are one thing, but people will have to play with Fire before we know how hot it is.

It not yet being street tested aside they will probably sell a good number of them, but I doubt that it will kill the iPad.

Anonymous

I find the fact that this was written by “The Mac Observer” absolutely hilarious.

Don’t listen to this website, it’s obviously a biased as [expletive deleted] website. They’ll always favor Apple’s products over anything, find some real reviews from actual reputable websites.

Anon

Seems like MacObserver has the same intern that Photoshopped the German complaint against samsung mocking up their comparison photos as these photos really make the ipad look leaps and bounds bigger than the Fire. You also left out ppi and cloud storage which currently lay fall in favor of the Fire. Nice bias reporting job. Way to stack a $200 first gen tablet vs a 2nd gen $900 paper weight, atleast thats the primary function of the ones which my friends own. But I suppose they need an ego stroke after realizing how badly you were just overcharged for your tablet.

Flame on, I’m out.

Bosco (Brad Hutchings)

You need two more comparison lines. One would be “sideloading enabled”. It is unclear if the K-Fire will offer that. iPad obviously will not. The other is “rootable with manufacturer’s blessing”. iPad obviously not, and often not rootable. Amazon has already said they will know the K-Fire will be rooted and alternative Android distros installed, and much like B&N, they have no problem with that. That last line is good for a million units, no sweat.

At $200, I can definitely see these being used as mostly stationary clock radios and music databases hooked up to home stereos. Think touchscreen appliance in addition to tablet. iPad is too large and too pricey for that kind of dedicated use.

Bryan Chaffin

“Anonymous,” this isn’t a review. It’s a list of factual specs with a remarkably balanced analysis (note the label of “Analysis” at the top of the article) of different ways to look at those specs.

You’re looking for a fight where this none to find.

“Anon,” the same applies to you. I’ll add, though, that the images of the two devices are as pixel-perfect to scale as I could make them. If I made an error, let me know the specifics and I’ll get it corrected.

Bryan Chaffin

Hey Brad, do you think sideloading is relevant here? Amazon, as the sole distributor and maker of the device, will install whatever they want. Apple does that same, of course. I don’t think that can be considered sideloading.

The rootable point is a great one.  Shoot me a link to for the “manufacturer’s blessing” and I’ll add that to the chart.

Bosco (Brad Hutchings)

Sideloading, aka the ability of end-users to load the software they want regardless of pre-bundled store, is important because it keeps the stores honest. Apple, for example, lied repeatedly in order to justify a whole widget model that made it sole source for software on the iOS platform.

The lie started with Steve Jobs saying that rogue apps would cripple wireless networks at the introduction of the original iPhone, while the carriers had already deployed a few million wireless data cards for use with notebook PCs. It continued with Apple’s ban on third party tools, bathing suits, and widget apps.

But in Amazon’s case, sideloading is probably an honor among thieves issue. They have benefited greatly from Android’s openness, and built their MP3 and app business on Google not having a problem with side-loading and the carriers having no luck inhibiting it.

babyfacemagee

UBS pegs the cost of the Kindle Fire at $150 which means Amazon will make $50 profit on each from day one before content profits.  Read about it http://kindlefireforums.com/kindlefireforums/index.php?topic=55.0

Patrick_A1

Size matters.
The problem with large phones is the battery life when used for reading, etc.
The advantage of the USB connection to the Kindle is additional storage, printing, transfer to laptop, desktop, etc.
I am slightly worried about browser compatibility, flash player, etc.

Bryan Chaffin

I fear I must confess that I’ve been misusing the term “sideloading,” Brad. I thought it referred to the practice of a reseller/carrier/OEM putting software onto an end-user’s device. Thanks for steering me straight.

Let’s keep an eye on what Amazon allows. My gut thought is that the only thing that will officially be allowed by the company are apps from its own Appstore.

wab95

De gustibus non disputandum est

Agreed.

Bryan:

I argue that there are, broadly speaking, two general types of personal consumers in the tablet space, apart from the idly curious technophile with disposable income; 1) those who are looking to do a particular thing or a specific set of things (read books, surf the web, play games, etc); 2) those who are looking for an integrated solution for managing their digital world (music, movies, photos, files, etc). While the set of tasks they may each undertake appear similar, thus analysts’  penchant for conflating these two consumer types, their greater objectives could not be more different. They are not the same demographic, and this is where I believe some analysts get it wrong in describing the Kindle Fire (KF) as an “iPad killer”.

Either of these two consumer types may be drawn to either the iPad or the KF, depending on needs and interests. Among the first group (those who are looking to do a particular thing or set of things), are those who just want to read the odd eBook and browse the web and will likely be perfectly happy with the KF; while those who want to play games, browse the web, and do social networking will likely be drawn to the iPad. I see a split for each device along interest lines for this type of consumer.

The key concept here is that this first type of consumer is a group in search of a device on which to ‘do things’. I have no idea of how large a fraction of all tablet consumers this represents, but I would think that its core membership, i.e. those who never evolve beyond wanting to do ‘a few things’ is relatively small. I believe that the majority of this group is transient; that is, they may start out wanting to do ‘a few things’, but as they discover the real potential for the tablet, they matriculate to the other class of consumer - those who want an integrated management solution.

Regarding this second group, the integrated management solution consumer, this is a group in search of a best-fit between the digital world they are trying to manage and the package of solutions offered by a vendor. This intrepid group of are a mix of explorers and digital refugees in search of a home, or if you will, an ecosphere, where they can house their digital horde and let it thrive.

The key concept here is that this group is not in search of a device per se, but an ecosystem however defined that provides them with the most complete solution for their needs, their skill sets and budgetary constraints notwithstanding. The tablet, then, becomes one component of that management strategy. The more diverse their needs, including the mix of content consumption and creation, the more robust must be their tablet solution.

A caveat regarding this second group, the ecosystem sojourners; their choice of solution is exquisitely vulnerable to how well they understand their needs, not only today, but into the future. This then defines both the challenge and the opportunity, and therefore the strategy, for tablet vendors.

I would argue that this second group, if it is not already the majority of the market, will soon be as we continue our relentless migration into a post-PC era; and that ultimately, whether the battle lines are truly drawn between Apple and Amazon, it will be a war not of tablets, but of ecosystems and long-term solutions. The strategy for each vendor then, is not a focus on specs in isolation (this is where the dead and the dying went awry), but on articulating their vision of the future, how their ecosystem will evolve into that future, and how their tablet is optimally designed to serve that system and that transition.

Let the spec-meisters bury their dead.

gnasher729

UBS pegs the cost of the Kindle Fire at $150 which means Amazon will make $50 profit on each from day one before content profits.

UBS is surely a company that I would trust. Like if I had a billion dollars or two and needed to get rid of it, they would be the people who can be trusted to do the job grin

iSuppli numbers are usually taken as the gospel when the serve to blame Apple for making too much profit. In this case the same iSuppli says that Amazon sells the Kindle Fire for $10 less than it costs to build. I guess we should believe them equally in this case.

Emil Bevcqua

It is sad to say but in this economy people will flock to the Fire. I have learned a lesson a long time ago whenever you need and use something as a necessity everyday it does not pay in the long run to go for the cheap knockoff. I look around and see cheap knockoffs all the time but they never seem to ever work like the one you should have bought. This my friends will be one of them watch and see.

roger41

COMMENTS ALL UNDERSTOOD.  THE CURRENT VERSIONS AND CAPABILITIES OF EITHER ARE NOT THE LAST VERSIONS.  THE MARKET WILL DETERMINE THE FUTURE.

RonMacGuy

Yes, sideloading is very useful for any Android app requesting android.permission.INTERNET on HTC phones to steal private data. You know, little things like user accounts, email addresses, GPS locations, phone numbers, SMS data, etc.

And, rooting is very useful to allow users to remove HTC’s logging tools. Cause, you know, millions of people should waste their time rooting their phones to deal with this garbage.

Lee Dronick

And, rooting is very useful to allow users to remove HTC?s logging tools. Cause, you know, millions of people should waste their time rooting their phones to deal with this garbage.

Correct, most users are not going to root or jailbreak their phones. I am not saying that tech blogs should not cover that aspect of the news.

Kenshin

It is sad to say but in this economy people will flock to the Fire. I have learned a lesson a long time ago whenever you need and use something as a necessity everyday it does not pay in the long run to go for the cheap knockoff. I look around and see cheap knockoffs all the time but they never seem to ever work like the one you should have bought. This my friends will be one of them watch and see.

This, my friends, is a prime example as to why so many people hate and detest Apple fans.

You are the common idiotic American consumer, who things “bigger is always better!”

If something costs more, it is surely always a better product. This is why Apple excels. They preach the most basic of functions for their devices, and make the common idiot believe it’s revolutionary. Sorry, but decade old technology is not revolutionary.

If I baked two Cookies, and named one of them an iCookie for $100, you would instantly assume that this cookie is far superior and much more tasty than that of the standard cookie. Even if it cost 10 times more than the other cookie, you would buy it strongly believing you are getting the superior product.

The Kindle Fire by no means looks to be a knock off. The hardware in it is solid, and for a reasonable price of $199, yes, a bunch of people will probably flock to it. Amazon has always made good quality products for as long as I can remember.

If we where sitting here talking about the kindle keyboard, no one would say anything about it. But now that you feel the Kindle Fire is a competition to Steve Jobs, it is your sworn duty as an Apple consumer to defend him until the day you die. Even if that means falsely slandering a product you’ve yet to use, and have virtually no knowledge about I’m sure.

For the few Apple consumers who actually have some common sense, I am sorry if you take this offensive. However, it is the simple truth.

Idiots like this don’t need to be here posting reviews on products before they’re publicly released. What a disgusting joke you are.

Lee Dronick

It is a two way street.

NEALC5

Doesn’t anyone find it strange to be praising the Kindle Fire on specs alone, before anyone has had a chance to touch it and review it? Where’s the Walt Mossberg or David Pogue review? Where’s the Engadget, CNET or ArsTechnica review?  It seems to be a good thing, but the Xoom and Playbook was a good thing based on specs and promise, until people reviewed it.

Bosco (Brad Hutchings)

NEALC5, the difference is that we actually have a successful device out there that is very much in the same mold. That’s the Barnes & Noble Nook Color. The NC has sold more than 3 million units in less than a year. So take that track record, assume a custom Android build without Market and Google apps (just like NC), assume a larger ebook library, music, and videos, along with an app store with many, many more titles. Then extrapolate.

NEALC5

@Bosco - I’m not saying that it will be or is crap.  It will probably be a winner, because Amazon does their homework and I respect them.  I just think that the praise should be reserved for when the actual units can be reviewed.

I have an iPad, but would consider a Fire as a movie player for long car rides with the kids.  Portable DVD players are about $100, and for an extra 100, you get so much more. And if the kids drop it, it’s a whole lot less to replace than an iPad.

Crystal

I find the fact that this was written by ?The Mac Observer? absolutely hilarious.

I love that you mentioned this LOL

bodajuf

I personally pray for the day that apple for any reason goes under and all of its loyal followers are left standing around with their heads up their asses. And yes I still laugh every time I look and see that this was written by an obvious apple supporter no matter how many times he calls himself an “analyst” hahaha

Bryan Chaffin

I personally pray for the day that apple for any reason goes under and all of its loyal followers are left standing around with their heads up their asses. And yes I still laugh every time I look and see that this was written by an obvious apple supporter no matter how many times he calls himself an ?analyst? hahaha

Your reading comprehension skills are lacking, mate.

wab95

And yes I still laugh every time I look and see that this was written by an obvious apple supporter no matter how many times he calls himself an ?analyst? hahaha

Bodajuf:

May I ask; is it your contention that, if someone has a preferred vendor or platform (a ‘supporter’ by your definition), that they should never draw comparisons between that platform and others, nor comment on other vendor’s products?

NEALC5

@ bodajuf - If Apple did not come out with the iPhone, iPod touch and iPad, would Android exist in its current form?  Would the Kindle Fire even be a product at all from Amazon?  I doubt than any of the iPad competitors would exist today, if not for the competition from the iPad.

bodajuf

neal- If I had said that apple had never come out with those products or been a company at all I guess you could make that argument? However the first kindle came on the market three years before the iPad and its not hard to see a natural advancement to something like the kindle fire,
wab- Not at all I actually dont care if anyone draws comparisons just hate how since its first preview it has always been the kindle VS. iPad when it is not even 1. in the same price market. 2. targeted at the same user, basic or high demand. 3. written about on every mac owners page/blog/thread about how inferior it is.
brain- obviously I already dont care about anything you have to say so insulting me is really kinda stupid but thanks anyway

NEALC5

bodajuf - There is zero natural progression from the first Kindle e-reader (or any e-reader) to the Kindle Fire.  Without Android, Amazon wouldn’t have anything to use for an OS.  Without the Blackberry Playbook (who’s hardware the Fire is based on), there’s no hardware.  Without the iPad, the tablets would look like all those before the iPad (lots of buttons and slots, use stylus, etc.). It only seems natural now in hindsight.

Competition is good, and having a company like Apple drive the design of hardware and software is a good thing. If Apple never existed, or went out of business in 1998, try to imagie the state of the computing industry today. The Amazon Fire exists in this form ONLY because the iPad and free Android exist.

Kenshin

bodajuf - There is zero natural progression from the first Kindle e-reader (or any e-reader) to the Kindle Fire.? Without Android, Amazon wouldn?t have anything to use for an OS.? Without the Blackberry Playbook (who?s hardware the Fire is based on), there?s no hardware.? Without the iPad, the tablets would look like all those before the iPad (lots of buttons and slots, use stylus, etc.). It only seems natural now in hindsight.

Competition is good, and having a company like Apple drive the design of hardware and software is a good thing. If Apple never existed, or went out of business in 1998, try to imagie the state of the computing industry today. The Amazon Fire exists in this form ONLY because the iPad and free Android exist.

You are an absolute fool. Stop thinking Apple invented the tablet, they didn’t.

Listen to this closely. All apple does is incorporate century old technologies, and preach it as being brand new and revolutionary. Apple’s OS is even based off someone else’s work, it’s a Unix based system.

“Without Android, Amazon wouldn?t have anything to use for an OS.”
Wrong. There are a lot more alternatives out there than you may think. Do your research.

“Without the iPad, the tablets would look like all those before the iPad (lots of buttons and slots, use stylus, etc.). It only seems natural now in hindsight.”
And once again, you are SEVERELY delusional. Do you really think tablets would look the same as they did years ago if Apple ceased to exist? This is the problem with Apple fanatics, you truly do worship Steve Jobs as a god. This is why people refer to you as cult members even.

Technology will advance no matter what. We don’t need some scam artist such as Steve Jobs to progress. If anything, Apple is preventing us from progressing. Why? Because all they do is repackage old technology, preaching it as being new and revolutionary, and I dare you to try and prove me wrong.

Ben

Kenshin, I could not agree more.

Apple “fans” sicken me.

Apple products are not the best out there.  The functionality is not the best.  There are restrictions at every level when using Apple products.

They are, for me, an example of a lot that is wrong with the world.  People being told what it is they want, through marketing, rather than deciding for themselves (I do not consider the impulse to buy anything starting with an ‘i’ as deciding for oneself!).

Bosco (Brad Hutchings)

Ima settle this innovation argument for you guys. If you derive your self esteem from your favorite company invented this or your least favorite company copied this, wonderful. Others are not precluded from taking an idea and making it better or worse or just their own.

As an Android fan, I know that Android tablets and phones would not be what they are today had Apple not gone batpoop crazy censoring content and platform tools in Spring 2010. Worse, Android never would have gotten off the ground had Apple not rejected the original South Park app (early 2009) and then later sat on Google Voice with its version of a pocket rejection (summer 2009). Those two things are what set the stage for this sentiment about Apple to become a market void worth filling. We’re coming up on the two year anniversary of the opening shot (October 2009).

Android would have been absolutely stillborn had Apple allowed side-loading and rooting of its iPhone (and iPad), even if it “voided the warranty” or could be fixed for a fee with a restore. Apple could probably still make some gains from playing those cards, thought they would be fully realized a couple years out after the market sees that they just won’t reverse course. The core fundamental issue is who owns your device? You or Apple? That question accounts for and will continue to account for more than half of Android’s success.

Lee Dronick

You are an absolute fool. Stop thinking Apple invented the tablet, they didn?t.

Correct! Ford didn’t invent the automobile, Marconi didn’t invent the radio, and there were batteries in ancient Babylon. The tablets before the iPad sold in the hundreds, same with MP3 players.

Ian J

This is an awesome tablet.  An iPad Killer? maybe not.  The iPad can exist and the “K-Fire” can exist but I personally don’t like the limitations of iOS that Apple impose on the user and thats what really matters - that doesn’t bother some people so they will continue to buy Apple products.

It’s really just personal preference.

It’s not about how much of Apples market Amazon can “eat” away at it’s about how it fits into the existing Android market and how it can win fans away from other manufacturers.

http://www.thiscouldbegood.co.uk

wab95

Not at all I actually dont care if anyone draws comparisons just hate how since its first preview it has always been the kindle VS. iPad when it is not even 1. in the same price market. 2. targeted at the same user, basic or high demand. 3. written about on every mac owners page/blog/thread about how inferior it is.

Thanks for the reply, bodajuf. Actually, this has not only been written up on Apple-oriented sites, but others, since day one of the KF’s debut, where it has been hailed as an iPad killer. If the tech community at large is going to opine as such, why shouldn’t the Apple tech community at large not do likewise? After all, is this not the tech community simply engaging in exchange of ideas and opinions? If others expressed their opinions, but the Apple camp remained silent in order not to cause offence to those who pray for the day when Apple’s “followers are left standing around with their heads up their asses”, would this not amount to censure?

What is clear to me is that this article was nothing more nor less than a spec comparison. One can argue the merits of such an exercise, but this does address reader demand.

While I agree with you that these devices are not targeting the same demographic, nor designed with the same direct objective, tech commentators generally are hailing the KF as a potential arch rival to the iPad, rightly or wrongly, and I see no defensible reason why ‘Apple supporters’ cannot engage in that discussion.

A better option, in my view, is to uphold freedom of speech, conjoined with exercising one’s right not to read/listen to it if one finds it offensive.

NEALC5

Bosco - I agree with you 100%.  Competition is a reaction to another company’s product, good and bad.  Apple makes something, another company reacts and provides a product that does different things, provides features that are missing, or is cheaper, etc.  This is a good thing. Then Apple changes their product in reaction to the competition.  It’s a virtuous circle and the way the world is supposed to work.

But when there isn’t something to compete against, there is less pressure to make changes, and therefore the pace of change is slower.

Apple does do things their way, and those who don’t like it have the opportunity to build something different, or buy something they feel is better.  Apple’s way is not for everyone, and I’ll be the first to buy something I feel is better.

In the end, the market will decide who makes money, and who doesn’t.

Bryan Chaffin

I actually dont care if anyone draws comparisons just hate how since its first preview it has always been the kindle VS. iPad when it is not even 1. in the same price market. 2. targeted at the same user, basic or high demand. 3. written about on every mac owners page/blog/thread about how inferior it is.
brain- obviously I already dont care about anything you have to say so insulting me is really kinda stupid but thanks anyway

My problem, mate, is that I made both your first and second points clearly and succinctly in the very article you criticized, all while making the case that the question of which product was “better” is largely immaterial (in reference to your third point).

Also, you very clearly care about at least some things that I have to say in that you, A.) commented on my article, and B.) responded to my response.

bodajuf

I never read your article so I dont really know what you said I just thought it would be fun to say some stuff and get people frustrated which worked rather well and gave me and others lots of laughs. So thank you for taking your joke of a job so seriously.

RonMacGuy

Funny stuff, bodajuf. I came close to posting that people here shouldn’t “feed the trolls” and you go and admit to being a troll. Glad you got some laughs out of it.

Now, be a nice little troll and go away and troll elsewhere!!

grin

Hey Bryan, at least he called you a “brain” - that could actually be taken as a compliment!!

Actually, bodajuf, you seem to be a lot more frustrated than most of us here. Almost like you work for Amazon or something… Hmm…

Sarah K

This product looks interesting. Does anyone know if one can download TV shows from the networks on it if that requires Flash Player? My iPhone won’t let me use Flash for anything and if I had known that I wouldn’t have bought it. Also wonder if it will be possible to access TV shows and films and then move them to an external storage device if the Kindle Fire has limited storage. Thanks.

Kenshin

If anything, Apple is preventing us from progressing. Why? Because all they do is repackage old technology, preaching it as being new and revolutionary, and I dare you to try and prove me wrong.

Have to love how no one here has been able to respond to this statement, yet you still try and bash me.

Apple didn’t make the first computer. They stole their OS basically from Unix to begin with.

If you really think Apple made the first MP3 player, do your research and think again.
http://www.wired.com/listening_post/2006/06/worlds_first_mp/

Bryan Chaffin

Kenshin, you are stunningly ignorant and are frankly embarrassing yourself. In short, you aren’t worth engaging when you post in this manner.

Make your posts relevant to the article at hand. If you want to fight about the merits of Apple’s R&D efforts, head to our forums or find an article to which that is relevant.

This is your first and last warning.

joe

The advantage of the USB connection to the Kindle is additional storage, printing, transfer to laptop, desktop, etc.

Bryan Chaffin

Aye, that’s definitely an advantage of having a USB port, Joe.

Steve

I certainly can’t argue how much better the iPad is in terms of technical specifications than the Kindle Fire.  There really is no comparison.  But I think it’s important to ask who would buy each product.  I’m not a business person or someone always on the go who has to stay connected.  For me, $199 is a great price for what the Kindle Fire offers.  Now, some friends of mine, they wouldn’t dream of a Kindle Fire.  They need all the bells and whistles offered on the iPad, and to them, $499 is an investment worth making.

I wrote up a Squidoo lens comparing the two and I would love to get people’s feedback and thoughts.
http://www.squidoo.com/kindle-fire-vs-ipad-x

Paul

You left out the Nook software, which works on the iPad. Offers BN.com books, if you don?t like Amazon.

I think the Nook is in trouble…
I own an iPad and getting a Kindle fire as well.  (prime member already so makes sense for the free streaming).  Kindle is also on iPad via App.
...I just don’t think that B&N has the content and svcs - cloud, movies, music, APPs (x 300K) that Amazon is bringing to the table at the Nook price point.

Leo

What is blowing my mind just a bit is why the comparison of value amongst consumers over two competing corporations and their product offerings is anything to take personally.
Should another consumer choosing to own an Apple product and participate in the “Mac matrix” really concern anyone to the degree that they are compelled to be insulting?
I may personally feel that Amazon has more to offer me for my money but would still take part in a rational discussion with other consumers out of the desire to better educate myself. But the moment I need to refer to someone else as a “fool” for the way they choose to spend their own money in a predominantly free economy is the moment that I think I may have lost my ability to be objective.

Am I wrong?

Bryan Chaffin

Am I wrong?

Not in my mind, Leo. What you described is why we post these comparisons in the first place.

Thanks for the post.

noezzi

The reason the kindle is getting attention is not because its the next “Ipad killer”, Its because of what’s under the hood. This thing will be rooted, customized, overclocked to at least 1.6mhz, and anything Amazon will be wiped off completely by thousands and thousands of people. Just a few of many things that will never be done to an Ipad. PS. Quad core tabs come out next month…...

Mike

You’re missing the biggest selling point of the Kindle over the iPad: no ties to bloated iTunes software!  For non-Mac users that’s a huge bonus.

Amazon is billing this as a multi-media extension of the Kindle, a stand-alone product; whereas the iPad is halfway between a large phone and an extension to the Mac desktop.  Alot of the features you taut as iPad only simply drive up the cost, and would add little if anything to the intended use of this product.  The only one that bums me out even a little is the lack of HDMI.

Not every device I own needs a damn camera!  Ecstatic the Kindle lacks one, means I don’t need to take it out of my backpack for work then go get it again later - I can keep it with me all day. 

Your statement of: “Even though the iPad 2 is obviously far more bitchin? than the Fire?we?re just sayin?.” is just way off the mark.  Remember in design/engineering:  “Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to take away.”  The simplest device that gets the job done is the best, and the huge price difference echos this.

Bryan Chaffin

Mike, I think all your reasons and points are very compelling ones for choosing a Kindle Fire.

I’d like to point out, however, that they are subjective opinions, rather than objective facts (my quote that you cited about the iPad being “far more bitchin’” is also a subjective opinion).

Which is fine, of course. The point of this comparison was to make it easy for users to compare apples to oranges (entendre intended) so that they can see what they’re getting for their money. I think it’s personally rational for someone to pick the Fire, even if I personally fancy the iPad to be the better device.

Mom

I am researching every form of tablet, ipad, or Fire for my son.  He is 11 yrs old and wants one for Christmas.  We live in a rural area so internet connections are limited.  He just wants to listen to music, watch movies, and play games.  I am very interested in the Kindle Fire because of the price.  My son is still young so he drops and loses things.  Which one would you recommend?  I appreciate the Kindle Fire memberships that lets you view movies and tv shows without paying for each one.  He has all the game systems but he wants to be able to look at Youtube and other websites.  Should I purchase a laptop?

Bryan Chaffin

I am researching every form of tablet, ipad, or Fire for my son.? He is 11 yrs old and wants one for Christmas.? We live in a rural area so internet connections are limited.? He just wants to listen to music, watch movies, and play games.? I am very interested in the Kindle Fire because of the price.? My son is still young so he drops and loses things.? Which one would you recommend?? I appreciate the Kindle Fire memberships that lets you view movies and tv shows without paying for each one.? He has all the game systems but he wants to be able to look at Youtube and other websites.? Should I purchase a laptop?

I think the Fire would be a great choice for your son. It won’t have the game selection the iPad has, but it will have games. The display won’t be near as nice for watching YouTube videos, but it will certainly work.

If he treats it poorly, it will be a $199 broken toy and not a $499 broken piece of amazing technology.

You could go with a laptop, too, especially if you think he might use it for his schoolwork. I’d recommend a used or refurbished MacBook, but you can find cheap (poorly made, IMO) PC laptops for under $300 all day long.

Good luck!

Kenshin

I think the Fire would be a great choice for your son. It won?t have the game selection the iPad has, but it will have games. The display won?t be near as nice for watching YouTube videos, but it will certainly work.

If he treats it poorly, it will be a $199 broken toy and not a $499 broken piece of amazing technology.

You could go with a laptop, too, especially if you think he might use it for his schoolwork. I?d recommend a used or refurbished MacBook, but you can find cheap (poorly made, IMO) PC laptops for under $300 all day long.

Good luck!

Dear Mom,

Please listen to my advice. It is vital you get opinions from a real reputable non-biased website when seeking to buy a product. You’re asking a Mac/Apple fansite if you should buy a Mac or a competing product.

The “staff” here are nothing but Apple fanboys who are completely blinded and will give you little to no factual evidence behind their claims. For example, the Kindle Fire, in my opinion, has a much nicer sleeker screen than the iPad. But I am going to get jumped on for even saying that here.

They say that all PC laptops are poorly made, which is a complete joke. All you’re paying for when you buy a Mac is the software. Fun fact, they all use the same hardware. They won’t want to admit this, but the Macbooks and PC’s all use the same type of hardware. Mac doesn’t make their own, they use hardware from third parties and refuse to let you upgrade any of their products. While this is not true with a “PC”, or a true custom built computer, which you can upgrade whenever you want. PC’s are also significantly cheaper, especially if you know where to look. The staff here are full of nothing but lies, and it’s sad how much they can worship one company that they go around falsely promoting them with nothing but extremely biased opinions, and they’re not even getting paid for it.

Please, mom, do not seek advice from people like this.

Look at reviews on reputable websites such as Amazon and Newegg.com, where there’s more than just Apple fanboys who believe anything branded with an Apple is far superior to anything out there. Because simply put, it’s not.

When buying a mac, you’re paying for the software, nothing less, nothing more. If you really want a mac, I’d recommend getting a hackintosh.

I’m lead to believe the executive president here has absolutely no knowledge of technology whatsoever since he can’t give any facts to back up his false claims as well.

But more specifically directed at your question, I’d be careful with buying your son any type of expensive electronics. Kids are kids, they don’t fully understand the importance of keeping good care of stuff like this yet. I have seen cheaper tablets that have been designed with kids explicitly in mind, that are much more durable than the common tablet. I don’t have a link on me right now, but with a bit of Googling I’m sure you could find some.

Best of luck to you mom!
- Kenshin

Bryan Chaffin

Kenshin, your reading comprehension skills are stunningly bad.

1.) I recommended the Kindle Fire as a “great choice” for her son.

2.) I did not say all PC laptops are “garbage,” I said that the under $300 PC laptops are poorly made.

3.) Screens are not “sleek,” form factors are. The Fire is a “sleeker” device in that it is less wide, but it is actually thicker than the iPad. As I have repeatedly said, it is completely subjective which form factor is better?I prefer iPad’s, but think it is perfectly reasonable for someone to want the smaller Fire.

4.) Macs and PCs do not use all the same hardware. Apple’s spec requirements on RAM, for instance, is higher than all but the most expensive PCs. There are some shared components, but every teardown I have seen consistently shows that Apple’s components are of the highest quality, while PC components, especially on the low end, trend towards the other end of the spectrum.

5.) Apple’s case materials are also far higher quality than the vast majority of PCs. The same is true for tablets. The iPad’s metal back is, IMO, superior to the plastic of the Fire or any other Android tablet that I’ve seen.

6.) You consistently accuse me of offering no facts, yet this very article is full of them. I also have a body of work comprising tens of thousands of articles and contributions to several books written over the past 15 years. I’ll hold up that body of work to your handful of rambling article comments where you behave in the manner that you erroneously accuse me and our excellent, professional staff at The Mac Observer of engaging in.

7.) You accuse me (and us) of bias, but I have consistently said that the Fire is a compelling device that many people will choose, while you have denigrated every opinion that doesn’t agree with your own as wrong. I (not at all) humbly suggest that you look up the definition of “bias.”

8.) The best thing about your most recent post is that in the end you essentially parrot my own suggestion about what “Mom” should choose for her son.

Mom

Thanks you all.  I think I will check into the tablet idea.  Worse case scenerio= Kindle Fire!!  Hey I have spent more in PSPs and DSs, sad I know.

RonMacGuy

“Kenshin, your reading comprehension skills are stunningly bad.”

Some of the posts here Bryan never cease to amaze me. The accusations are ludicrous.

Mom, I have three daughters who use my Gen 1 iPad all the time. Many times they (or their friends) are pretty rough on it. But it is still going strong after 1.5 years. Fire may do well too. Time will tell.

Another point is that the latest DS type devices can do YouTube stuff too, I think. iPod touches are great as well for $199.

Kenshin

?Kenshin, your reading comprehension skills are stunningly bad.?

Some of the posts here Bryan never cease to amaze me. The accusations are ludicrous.

Mom, I have three daughters who use my Gen 1 iPad all the time. Many times they (or their friends) are pretty rough on it. But it is still going strong after 1.5 years. Fire may do well too. Time will tell.

Another point is that the latest DS type devices can do YouTube stuff too, I think. iPod touches are great as well for $199.

You missed my point entirely. You recommended the Kindle Fire, but you referred to it as a “toy” in comparison to the iPad. You can’t simply say a non-apple product is good, you always have to throw in a “but ... is better”, “is not as banging as the iPad!,” and whatnot.

You can insult me all you want, but your site is so much of a joke it’s not even worth writing out a detailed response to you. I was merely offering advice to “Mom” that she should seek reviews from a non-biased website.

If you mean to tell me a website named “macobserver.com” isn’t biased at all, then you truly are an arrogant fool.

Get over yourself.

Bryan Chaffin

Get over yourself.

Project much?

Tommy

Im gunna get a k fire simplu because of its price and the fact that all i need is a small travel companion for surfing the net and my book collection while on the road….now if they bumped up the screen size by even an inch added a stand alone gps receiver and app a camera and an hdmiout it would be the perfect tablet..at least by my standard

RonMacGuy

now if they bumped up the screen size by even an inch added a stand alone gps receiver and app a camera and an hdmiout it would be the perfect tablet..at least by my standard

Sorry Tommy, but I have to laugh.  How about if they bump up the screen size by, say, 2.7 inches, add a built-in GPS instead of a stand alone one, throw in both front and rear cameras, and include HDMI output via the dock connector with an adapter?  Toss in a much better operating system and, hey, you’ve got an iPad!!  You’re right, that IS the perfect tablet!!

grin

Kenshin

add a built-in GPS instead of a stand alone one, throw in both front and rear cameras, and include HDMI output via the dock connector with an adapter?

Because Apple invented the GPS, HDMI, and cameras, right?

I’ve never seen a non-apple product use a dock before Apple introduced it either. Oh wait, there’s my old palm pilot.

Also, Apple’s closed sourced operating system is only better in your opinion.

This is what I mean by the community being such a joke. Your like about every other fanboy idiot out there. You think your product is entirely unique, and anyone who makes anything remotely similar is copying your product. The problem with that is, the opposite side believes the same thing.

RonMacGuy

Kenshin, do not put words in my mouth, OK?  I was simply finding humor in that Tommy described the iPad in his “A Fire would be better if it had a bigger screen, GPS, camera, and HDMI” comment.  Did I say anything about Apple inventing anything?  Did I say anything about my product being entirely unique?  Yet you call me an idiot without knowing anything about me.  Yes, Apple’s OS being better is my opinion - are we not allowed to state our opinions here?

Yet another humorous point for me is in the same sentence that you call me an idiot you use “Your” instead of “You’re”.  Oh, the irony of it all!!

RonMacGuy

I will say that Tommy does make a good point. If you are OK with the size, feature/function, and limitations of the Fire device, then I am sure it is going to be a great device for a lot of people who are very price-conscious and don’t need a lot of “extras”. I am sure it will be very popular and will sell well. However, once people buy it, they may start to think like Tommy is. They may start to say, “Boy, a little more screen real estate would be great.” Or, “A camera would be great on this.” Or, “I really would like GPS capability.” Just realize that all of those things add cost. Apple just released a device that gives those added features for a reasonable price adder. But this doesn’t mean that the Fire is a bad product. It will work for millions of people. It’s a big market out there - a lot of players can be in the game.

wayne2626

I have a iphone 4 and a iMac which are great and I do not want a large tablet. The iPhone does everything which I need and all I want is a little large screen to watch movies on so the kindle fire is perfect for me even loving the iMac and the iPhone the kindle fire is a perfect match for me.

Hagrinas

Saying that the Fire will be an iPad killer is like saying that a Lexus will be a Ferrari killer. It’s not clear that people will choose the Fire or iPad because they would seriously consider both as a viable options and narrowed it down based on minor issues or price.

My daughter has a Kindle. It’s the monochrome one, and it sure beats having a stack of hundreds of pounds of books. It’s comfortable to read for people who don’t want to stare at a lit up screen. I’m not sure if she’d want a Fire, but if she did, it would be to replace her Kindle. My son would never want a Kindle because it comes nowhere close to doing what the iPad does, and those are the things he wants to do.

People don’t tend to need 150,000 apps. They might have a few dozen that they actually use, and perhaps a dozen or two more that are fluff. Both the iPad and Kindle fall short in areas that I’d want to have for everyday use. They will also no doubt have hundreds or thousands of things they can do that I’ll never need. But it’s not what I need that matters, but what any individual user wants to do that counts. Personally, I wouldn’t mind having one of each, but in terms of what I need, there’s a lot of redundancy between those, smart phones and computers. Realistically I don’t need either device, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want one.

Karen

Isn’t the Kindle easier on the eyes if your main purpose is to read books?

Lee Dronick

Isn?t the Kindle easier on the eyes if your main purpose is to read books?

Supposedly, but I don’t think so.

Bryan Chaffin

Isn?t the Kindle easier on the eyes if your main purpose is to read books?

That is very true of Amazon’s E-ink Kindle ereaders, though they require an external light to read in the dark. (Since I read a lot at night, I like the backlit display of the iPad, but our Dave Hamilton LOVES the Kindle’s E-Ink displays).

The Kindle Fire, though, is a backlit LCD display, not an E-Ink display. The Kindle Fire and iPad 2 are likely to offer a similar reading experience when it comes to ebooks. That’s where the form factors will really matter. Some people will prefer the larger iPad 2 while others will find the Kindle Fire’s smaller form factor to be easier to hold.

Let us know if you still have questions on that Karen.

Lee Dronick

Karen I didn’t mean to come as flip, but a criticism of the iPad is at you can’t or is try hard to read it in sunlight.  I did not find that to be true. However, it gets hot in sunlight, quite hot, which I think is due to the glass trapping sun like a car parked windows up in the sun. In open shade it is fine.

The other downside to the iPad is the weight. If you are only going to want a reader then a Kindle or Nook may be a better a choice if you want to hand hold the device. Reading in bed for an extended period I want the iPad propped on a pillow against my radishes knees.

Try them both if you can.

Rob

Seems like MacObserver has the same intern that Photoshopped the German complaint against samsung mocking up their comparison photos as these photos really make the ipad look leaps and bounds bigger than the Fire.

@Anon
Although I agree with some of your points, the photo scale is fairly accurate.  I scaled it up an measured it.  If anything, their photo takes a tiny bit off of the iPad screen size.

superchunk

All this arguing lol.

I can’t wait to buy Fire and throw CyanogenMod, or even better MIUI, on it for the latest IceCreamSandwich flavor with full Android capabilities… market, browser, etc.

It will be an amazing fully featured tablet. It has everything you really need in a tablet.

Camera? pfft, you probably already have a smartphone.

3G/4G? pfft, not paying that monthly fee, my phone will give me a free hotspot anyways.

SD card? pfft, 8GBs is more than enough for apps and such, plus google’s free cloud stuff I already use. (pics, music, dropbox, etc)

... that’s pretty much the only thing found in other tablets.

Its a great value for a great product.

Joel

wow! clash of the titans is happening right here. Most of the Kindle Fire review states that iPad 2 is a more capable device but not necessarily a better device than kindle Fire depending of the users consumption needs. Someone rightly pointed out that “The iPad has a proven track record and more bells and whistles, although that $199 Kindle Fire price is sure to tempt consumers.”

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