Jobs Bags on Google, Adobe in Town Hall Meeting

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Following the introduction of the iPad last week, Apple hosted a special town hall meeting for its employees where CEO Steve Jobs answers his staff's questions and talk about the company's new tablet device. Employees asked their boss about Google and Adobe -- both hot topics thanks to the Nexus One smartphone and Adobe Flash -- and Mr. Jobs didn't pull any punches with his responses, according to Wired.

When asked about Google's Nexus One smartphone, Mr. Jobs replied "We did not enter the search business, Jobs said. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake they want to kill the iPhone. We won't let them."

He added that Google's "Don't Be Evil" motto is "a load of crap," according to Daring Fireball's John Gruber.

Google's Nexus One runs the company's Android OS for mobile devices, and is seen as a direct competitor to Apple's iPhone.

In response to questions about Adobe and Flash, and the iPhone's lack of Flash support, Mr. Jobs said "Apple does not support Flash because it is so buggy, he says. Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it's because of Flash. No one will be using Flash, he says. The world is moving to HTML5."

Mr. Jobs also seemed to lament that Adobe doesn't seem to be the same company it once was. "They are lazy," he said. "They have all this potential to do interesting things but they just refuse to do it."

Apple has been criticized for refusing to offer support for Adobe Flash on the iPhone, iPod touch, and now the iPad. Based on the comments from Mr. Jobs, it doesn't seem likely that Flash support will be coming in the near future, despite rumors to the contrary.

Mr. Jobs also dropped a few hints at what's in store for the company through 2010, according to Mac Rumors. Apparently, Mac updates planned for the year will "take Apple to the next level," the next iPhone will be an "A+ update," and iPhone updates will come at an agressive rate that Google won't be able to match.

On the company's recent Lala purchase, Mr. Jobs said Apple wanted to add their staff to the iTunes team, hinting that new online music features could be making their way into the media playback and management application.

Mac buyers hoping to see Blu-ray, however, are in for a disappointment. Mr. Jobs called Blu-ray software "a mess," and said Apple will wait until sales accelerate before offering the optical disc format with its computers.

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This was atypical behavior of Jobs who doesn’t usually openly criticize other players in open forums. Yes, this was an internal Apple meeting, but as evidenced by how widely it’s been reported, there were obviously plenty of other people who were witnesses to it.

But he may have also intended to send the very succinct message to both Google and Adobe management. Get your acts together. Apple is not just a niche player anymore. It’s nice seeing somebody with some power calling out Adobe for the mess that is their software.


It sounds like Steve Jobs is experiencing a lot of heat and it’s coming out in strange ways. Sometimes the fault lies within oneself.

The rant reminds me of similar outbursts by Ballmer over search (when their search was terrible) and over Linux (business-model).

I thought about slowly switching toward Apple after I got my iPhone but after the introduction of the iPad, Apple no longer seems like the best option for me. The whole time I was seeing Jobs’ presentation, Jobs sounded like a snake oil salesman trying to sell a dystopian technological future with a limited product. What a dreary and gray place…

I’m aware of the lock-ins on the iPhone but that was fine for a phone… I just can’t do the same with the rest of my tech life.

Like Ballmer… It doesn’t appear that Steve Jobs (and Apple, for that matter) are going to open up anything. I wouldn’t be surprised to see locked-down laptops and desktops running the iPhone OS in the future.

Bosco (Brad Hutchings)

The old man on the couch is now the belligerent old man on the couch. He has picked fights with two companies that are imperative for Apple’s key markets, one in his own back yard. The stupid thing about calling out Google like that is that half his employees have family members that work for Google. After this little tantrum, the employees know that Jobs has doubled down on this epic iPad fail, and he’ll be taking the stock price with it.

In the end, what customers want is harmony. Apple may be able to supply whole widgets, but it will never be able to provide whole solutions. Some things, like the ubiquity of Flash, is a fact, not something that can be finessed or changed. Not supporting it may fly on an iPod or a iPhone, because most people use those for web browsing in a pinch, when nothing bigger is available. But it is a slap in the face of customers who would buy the iPad not to go out of the way to support it.


Bosco, let me tell you a story about the floppy disk drive…

Bosco (Brad Hutchings)

@CP: Let me tell you a story about a floppy disk drive and USB. If you needed a floppy disk drive to get to legacy data, you could purchase a USB drive. If you enjoy Flash content and games, such as FarmVille and Hulu, you are SOL with iPad. Apple will not allow you to add a web browser capable of viewing Flash content.

You can hate on Flash all you want and claim that HTML 5 can replace it for everything. The fact is that Flash lets developers deploy to the web without deploying de facto open source. Hulu can incorporate enough DRM to please its content providers. Zynga can deploy social games like FarmVille with less risk of players cheating because protocols would need to be continually reverse engineered rather than looked up in web page source code.

If I bought my 87-year-old grandmother an iPad, the first thing she would be upset about is that her favorite Flash card game sites don’t work. Then she’d be bummed that her favorite Facebook games don’t work. But, having gone back to her G4 Cube for everyday computing, she could use the iPad as a very pretty digital photo frame which can surf non-Flash websites in a pinch.


I am sick of reading all that critiscism about the iPad. People and particularly computer experts think about the future of computing by looking at the past. On the contrary, I firmly believe that the iPad will succeed or fail depending on what it provides, not on what it omits. Two simple examples. First, when it was first introduced, the Bondi Blue iMac had no adb (for connecting keyboards and mice), no SCSI (for hard discs and scanners) and no serial ports, only the then almost unknown USB! Second, Microsoft tried really hard to maintain DOS compatibility and as a result it produced operating systems that, among other things, were plagued by this sole fact. Please, do yourself a favour and try to imagine innovating uses for this new Apple pet. Who knows, maybe you could gain some money by doing so…



Yes, but Ballmer’s ranting was always plain and simple mud slinging.

Flash is buggier than a hammock on the Ganges, and the Nexus One is an iPhone clone. Steve Jobs notwithstanding, I have to agree that we are moving toward HTML 5 (not just video, but things like CSS animation etc.) and Adobe most certainly has been pickin’ it’s butt for years. These are changes that a lot of pros would love to see I think, and the technologies, when implemented, are so similar to Flash etc. in functionality that the less informed end users won’t know the difference. I’m not averse to competition in the marketplace either, but anyone that says the current smartphone/music player landscape is not an Apple clono-palooza is just kidding themselves, and it has been done in the name of $$$, not innovation. 

I can tell from all of your posts (and say as sweetly as possible) that you’re a geek first and foremost and have never worked in any of the industries relevant to much of the discussion here. But some of the rest of us do have years of experience and know what the hell we’re talking about.


LoL nipa!

USB was around for 2 years before the Bondi Blue iMac! The only computers that didn’t have USB were Macs before the Bondi Blue iMac!


Available and used are two different things. USB support in WIN95 was iffy (it got better with later releases), and there weren’t many peripherals available. Most stuck with PS2, serial and parallel ports.

Bosco (Brad Hutchings)

I can tell from all of your posts (and say as sweetly as possible) that you?re a geek first and foremost and have never worked in any of the industries relevant to much of the discussion here. But some of the rest of us do have years of experience and know what the hell we?re talking about.

@James, if you’re calling the Nexus One an iPhone clone, you’ve obviously never touched either of the devices. But that aside, you are correct. I have not worked in the restaurant industry (as either a waiter of dishwasher) not in the automotive industry (as a used car salesman) nor in the airline industry (as a steward). So I obviously lack the real world experience that you have that lets you spout complete and utter BS about subjects you have no idea about. For example, Flash… You can Google all sorts of interviews with the Zynga guys where they’ll tell you the kind of rapid innovation in their games (actively used by tens of millions of regular people) that is made possible by Flash and that (if you knew the first thing about HTML5 and CSS delivery) would not be as possible with Steve Jobs’ new favorite standards. You could also Google for interviews with the Hulu guys who talk about the difficult balancing act there is in making content available for free over the Internet. With an appreciation of such business concerns that we so-called geeks who know nothing about the rest of the world and the wonderful industries you work in have, you might just see why Steve Jobs is just an old, belligerent man on a couch disconnected from the market where he wants to sell his precious Jesus Pad, the most important thing he has ever worked on. And you’d see how silly the Apple Fanboys that suck this crap up have become.

I know this is way too geeky for most of you, but the bastion of geekdom NPR has a little review of the iPad where they question the exclusivity of the App Store from the customer point of view because customers might be concerned with only having one source to purchase software for a device they would depend on. Now, in geek circles, we call that innovation. Here’s the link.

Geek Out!


Ah and please daemon, don’t forget that the iMac survived without a floppy (do you remember those things of the past?). My first computer, 25 years ago, had only floppies!

just me

just without been a insider and just a webdesigner and developer.

- flash website are the moste coolest and used by the fashion industry etc. , if i cannot see it on the iphone for what the hell this thing called a smart phone?

- usb is just nice to exchange files but appel doesnt want that users exchange inbetween. they you keep their drm music and just buy, buy buy form the apple storrrrrree.

-flash will run into new application on smart phone like a here. i develope a new application based on flash and i can have it run on all other smart phones despite iphone. who the f. cares..

- the i pad has not even a camera. i mean, we live in 2010. what the hell is apple thinking. is the skype thing just a hype which blows away? i am living in bali indonesia and having every day skype video calls. its essential.

-but you right my grandmother would not have a problem with it. he would just wonder after a year that she cannot change the battery of the ipad by herself.

haha. i guess the market has enough of apple restrictions and the only one to blaim is apple himself. they cannot show bronze and tell the apple fans its gold anymore.

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