Wi-Fi Mesh Systems Compared: eero, Orbi, AmpliFi


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Page 4 – USB, QoS, and VPN

Amplifi's Base Station and Mesh Points have a very distinctive look.

Amplifi’s Base Station and Mesh Points have a very distinctive look.

USB

All of the Orbi and eero devices as well as the AmpliFi router each have a single USB 2.0 port on them. Orbi and AmpliFi have both said the port is currently reserved for future use, while eero has said the port is “strictly used for diagnostic purposes at this time.” Here’s to hoping someone adds printer and hard drive support. My money’s on Orbi leading the charge here simply because NETGEAR has already done this with most of their other routers.

Quality of Service (QoS)

For this we’re looking for QoS on the WAN (Internet) port. This helps avoid things like Buffer Bloat where a single device that wants all the available downstream or upstream bandwidth can cause connections to lag on your other devices. A router that properly supports WAN-based QoS can help alleviate or avoid this.

  • eero: Yes, and it works very well without requiring any configuration from the user. Enabled automatically, eero speed-tests your Internet connection every day to ensure that it’s managing your traffic properly. Not only is this the best QoS I’ve seen in a mesh router, it’s the best QoS implementation I’ve seen in any consumer-focused router at all.
  • Orbi: No WAN-based QoS.
  • AmpliFi: No WAN-based QoS.

VPN

Having a VPN server running at home can be helpful in a number of ways, most commonly either as a very robust way of having remote access to all your home devices or as a way of securing your internet traffic when you’re out-and-about at a coffee shop or an airport.

At this point only one of the currently-available mesh solutions that we tested has a built-in VPN server, and that’s Netgear’s Orbi. As with many of their other routers, Netgear supports OpenVPN on Orbi. Unfortunately, neither macOS nor iOS have native support for OpenVPN, but Orbi’s user interface provides simple walk-through instructions for getting your Mac, iOS, Windows or Android device configured to connect remotely to your router’s VPN. This is where Netgear’s long history of making routers shines through.

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danb4me

Bought the eero system based on article review, with special focus on eero offering Qos. My question is how Qos management relates to buffer bloat? I expected my buffer bloat grade to be fairly good using dslreports speed test. Actually it is a gigantic F. I had been using an evenroute router that manages upload buffer bloat and gives me A scores at this site, though drops both upload and download speeds a bit to do so. I am on DSL with 25 down and <2 up and lots of connected devices/game systems, etc.

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DDM60

Mac users beware. I’ve owned 3 EEROs since August 2016. Despite promises the next update will fix the problem, the EEROs do not work with Mac products. In order to maintain a WiFi signal, I must cycle WiFi on my Macbook pro, iPad, and iPhone off then back on again. And I need to do this every 5 minutes or so. EERO knows of this problem, but they don’t have a fix. Here is a quote from EERO customer support “The Mac issues you are having are issues we are aware of but continue to persist. With each update we… Read more »

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gus

Orbi Smart Devices and Hubs Problems Problems with smart hubs and devices that require the 2gh only. Hi I tried past stand alone wifi routers (Asus,Linsky) priced over $300 and now the Orbi. My home is over 4200 Sq Ft. on the Orbi speed test show great speed up and down no matter where I maybe be in or out of the house (Down Load 238 MHPS Upload 35.33 are the avg) The house has over 40 wifi devices smart devices lights,, tv, Ring door bell, harmony hubs and others. The 2 gh devices work intermittently other’s 2gh smart devices… Read more »

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NotTellingYou

In addition to the other issues relied with Eero did you bother to read their terms and conditions? Did you read they DEMAND you tell them who you are and where you are? Did you read they will cancel your service if they find out you lied? Did you read you can’t use your name etc., to set up a parent’s system? Did you read they can and will update without your knowledge or consent while not telling you what’s been changed? That they will collect data of the wireless networks around you and that you have no control over… Read more »

dominickgarton@mac.com
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Like 30% of the US I don’t get any broadband internet at home. The only way to get any internet at all is a Verizon jet pack cellular hotspot which works fine as long as you don’t get any crazy ideas like streaming movies in 4k or even regular 480p. The jet pack has a USB output which one can theoretically tether to other devices. It covers a radius of about 15 feet ok so a bit weak for a whole home.

Any ideas if the Eero would play nice with this for the 30% without nice broadband?

mrbofus
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mrbofus

“Orbi: 2-pack US$399. Add-on Satellite US$249.99. 3-Pack pricing unavailable at press time.”

The Orbi 3-pack is $499 at Costco; it’s been available since at least the beginning of November, but I think I saw it at my local Costco in October too.

webjprgm
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webjprgm

If I have my internet router upstairs on the second floor in one corner of the house and my TV in the basement in the other corner of the house, will I need 3 access points to bridge that? My Airport Extreme from upstairs covers floors 1 and 2 quite well, then I have a flaky power line adapter system running from upstairs to the basement and occasionally breaks down when trying to watch anything via wifi with AirPlay to the TV. Since an Airport Extreme cannot reach the basement, I’m assuming the Eero/Orbi/AmpliFi access points won’t reach the basement… Read more »

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Base on this article I purchased 6 eeros ( have 3 floor house). The app has what it calls “Family Profiles”. A very easy way to limit WiFi usage for anyone at anytime. The default name for any new profile is call “Bedtime”

Very easy to use, tells you when you’ve placed a eero too far away from the others, each unit reboots automatically if they detect a problem. One of the best interfaces I’ve ever seen and support QoS so a Netflix’ing/YouTub’ing teenage doesn’t slow down everyone else down.

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John Skinner

I have seen other consumer solutions to manage family member usage (only let Sally’s devices on the internet until 8:00 PM). Do any of these mesh systems have usage controls like this?

curby
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curby

I just got off chat with the Amplifi support folks, and the rep said you can buy multiple Amplifi routers, connect them via Ethernet, and use the satellites as Ethernet mesh points as you can with Eeros. At $150/router for the HD version, a “3-pack” costs more than the $350 Amplifi HD kit but arguably gives more flexibility and expansion (each can also double as a 4-port switch for wired devices). Can anyone corroborate this info? As noted in the article it would be nice to make use of existing ethernet runs through the walls of a house when possible… Read more »

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Ayrstone

Great article! Another WiFi meshing product – an outdoor system for farms and rural households – was covered briefly on the Mac Geek Gab back in 2013 (MGG 436) – Ayrstone, which is still around. Not for use in the house like these products, Ayrstone makes WiFi available outside in the countryside – in the garden, on the lake, or across the farm.

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Wes Shull

I went w/AmpliFi LR and it was on sale on Amazon…and I couldn’t be more pleased after the first four days of use. Speeds great, no dead spots, easy to use and most important…the fastest tech support I’ve ever seen w/national product. You start a chat and you’re with someone in a few seconds. I also think the plug-in mesh antenna’s are a smart design choice. No wires to plug in and the magnetic heads really help when you walk by and accidentally dislodge them…no way to break these unless you deliberately try. All the units are solidly built. I… Read more »

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parallax

Really great article! All things being equal, I love the way the Orbi sounds. However, the price just seems a good $100 too high. Since my internet connection comes in at the center of the house, to extend the network to all rooms (and particularly to my hammock outside!) I need at least 3 units. So a 3 pack of Orbi would run $650. For $50 less than 2 Orbi, I can get a 3 pack of AmpliFi. I don’t have anything that NEEDs ethernet instead of 802.11 n or AC, so I think I should be fine without ethernet… Read more »

rh1
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rh1

How do any of these mesh systems coexist or replace the current router I might have! I have Uverse TV and Internet. I could plug one if these units unto a switch connected to my router. As you may know, the Uverse gateway has wireless transmitters to connect to the receivers if the different TVs I have, so I don’t want to interfere with that part of the network. If I can then use the mesh units to extend my existing network, that would be great.
Thanks for the article. Very helpful.

venus535
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venus535

It should be noted that Orbi and AmpliFi (this is exclusive to Amazon for now) are also available as stand alone routers. Also of interest, a second AmpliFi stand alone router can be configured as a mesh point. I’ve had the stand alone AmpliFi router up and running since 11/23 and I’m very impressed with its consistency both with testing and real world streaming. The Orbi might be a better performer and might have been my choice if I needed a mesh system but IMO the esthetics of the AmpliFi is much better and I couldn’t be happier its performance.… Read more »

Mark Withers
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Mark Withers

Great article! I have been considering mesh networking for our home and you really gave me great options and points to consider for each.

Tek
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Tek

I wanted to point out one of the biggest problems for me with these systems and that is that they need to have connection with the central server in order to work AT ALL. I had Eero that I tested and in the middle of test we lost power due to high winds. I got everything going on my generator but Eero network would not work at all without connection to the Eero central servers. This means that whole internal network in my house was down. This also means that if for whatever reason, Eero servers down, Eero goes out… Read more »

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briandigital

Thanks for the article, I look forward to seeing this field grow. I definitely got more from this article than other similar articles. If I were picking one up over the holidays, it sounds like all their wireless performance are similar? I should decide based just on features? How’s the usability of the configuration interfaces? I was interested in eero but the price was high and I’m not sure I want cloud-access into my home’s network, especially considering the insecurity of the IoT. (The network I manage at work does have a cloud based backend to its network hardware and… Read more »

murtuzza
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murtuzza

Dave – there is a also Edimax which has also recently released the new AC1200 kit for Wifi Home mesh – you should also include that in your review and tell us how it goes